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Mike30200, err..Baldr,err...Jason wouldn't know about Italian gun policy, as he lives in Portland.

Either he's really racking up the frequent flier miles or he's got some serious 'splainin to do:


My blogs

New Trajectory
Kid Shootings

Blogs I follow

A Law Abiding Citizen?
Bullet Counter Points
Kid Shootings
Mondays With Mike
Ohh Shoot
Ordinary People

About me
Gender Male
Location Eugene, Oregon, United States
Introduction I am a volunteer activist for reducing gun violence in the Eugene, Oregon area, and all of Oregon. Join me! www.ceasefireoregon.org
Interests Gun Control, Peace, Suicide Prevention


(I hope I'm not the only one that finds that caption hilarious-talk about delusions of grandeur!)

The guy's got more house names than Edward Stratemeyer!
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:14 AM (6 replies)

It's not vigilanteeism; police are NOT required to protect you

It's pragmatism- The police aren't required to help you, per several high level court decisions. Note this one from decidedly gun-unfriendly DC:


Warren v. District of Columbia
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Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals (equivalent to a state supreme court) case that held police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals.

In this case, three rape victims sued the District of Columbia for negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. They phoned the police, reporting that their house was being burglarized, and waited on the roof. Their call was incorrectly dispatched as less important than it was three minutes after they made the call, and three police cars came to the scene, three minutes after the call was dispatched. One policeman drove by without stopping, and another officer walked up to the door and knocked. Upon receiving no answer, the officers left five minutes after they had arrived. Nine minutes later, the two women called the police again and were assured they would receive assistance. This call was never dispatched and the police never came. Believing that the police had arrived and were in the house, the two women called down to the third who was being attacked. This alerted the intruders to their presence, and they then took them captive at knife-point. They were then raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for the next fourteen hours. The court noted that because the police are only under a general duty to provide services to the public at large, a special relationship must exist between the police and the individual in question for the "duty" element of negligence to be satisfied. It held that no such special relationship existed so the case was properly dismissed by the trial court for failure to state a claim and the case never went to trial.[3]...

And if any of these women had shot one or more of these sociopaths, would you describe them as 'vigilantes'?

Lest you think this legal principle is unique to DC, read these:


...Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled, 7–2, that a town and its police department could not be sued under 42 U.S.C. §1983 for failing to enforce a restraining order, which had led to the murder of a woman's three children by her estranged husband...


...DeShaney v. Winnebago County was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States on February 22, 1989. The Court held that a state government agency's failure to prevent child abuse by a custodial parent does not violate the child's right to liberty for the purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution...

I must give you credit however- you haven't quite described gun ownership for self-defense purposes as "an insult to the state"...

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:16 PM (0 replies)

"You don't know enough about me to judge." Oh, we most certainly *do*, Mike/Jason/Baldr...

...or whatever name you're going by:


Baldr Odinson

My blogs

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About me
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Location Eugene, Oregon, United States
Introduction I am a volunteer activist for reducing gun violence in the Eugene, Oregon area, and all of Oregon. Join me! www.ceasefireoregon.org
Interests Gun Control, Peace, Suicide Prevention

So you're simultaneously living in Italy and Eugene, Oregon while working for both the United Nations in Italy and Ceasefire Oregon, all while claiming New Jersey as permanent residence.

Your own words tell us all we need to know about you.

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:23 PM (0 replies)

Mindless hoplophobia is a disease, and this article proves it:

And I'll show exactly why this is mindless a little further in:


SMU students union shoots down gaming poster
October 9, 2012 - 7:58pm By PATRICIA BROOKS ARENBURG Staff Reporter

It was supposed to be a cool poster to get student gamers to gather for a night of video games and beer at the campus pub.

But it is now a source of controversy — even noted on Forbes.com — since the Saint Mary’s University Students’ Association refused to let the SMUdent Gaming society put up the posters around campus.

“We went to get it approved and we were told we weren’t able to have a gun on the poster,” Alexandria Bennett, outgoing president of the campus’s gaming society, said Tuesday.

The gun-like object on the poster is actually a Nintendo Zapper, an accessory that allows the player to shoot at the screen, said Bennett, calling it “a very iconic item” for gamers...

Here comes the 'mindless' part- first look at the accompanying photo:

A sharp-eyed poster on Fark.com noticed this...


Check out the posters on the board behind her.

There's a flyer for a karate club. Hamlet, holding a skull. And Sweeney Todd wielding a straight razor.

But a stupid Nintento light gun is right out.

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:49 PM (10 replies)

Well, *that* wasn't very surprising- the NRA has endorsed Mittens


NRA Endorses Mitt Romney
Igor Bobic 6:03 PM EDT, Thursday October 4, 2012

The National Rifle Association has endorsed Mitt Romney, his campaign announced late Thursday evening.

“As the Supreme Court has recently reaffirmed, the Second Amendment protects a basic and fundamental individual right—the right to bear arms,” said Mitt Romney, via press release. “And it is the NRA that protects the Second Amendment. I am proud to have their support for my candidacy, and when I am president, I will do all in my power to defend and protect the right of all law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms.”...

It's official: the NRA is a Republican super-PAC with a gun club attached. Perhaps one of our resident NRA members can tell us how the NRA explained away his assault weapon ban in Massachusetts-
and if they are going to resign from what is now officially a GOP front.
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Oct 5, 2012, 04:02 AM (18 replies)

I note the most vigorous defender extant of the ATF's conduct has yet to comment on this.

I wonder why?
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:07 AM (1 replies)

Mother Jones: "The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions"


The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions
In the past four years a barrage of measures across 37 states have made it easier to own, carry, and conceal firearms.

—By Mark Follman, Tasneem Raja, and Ben Breedlove
Wed Sep. 26, 2012 3:01 AM PDT

Since 2009, the NRA and its allies in state capitols have pushed through 99 laws making guns easier to own, easier to carry in public—eight states now even allow them in bars—and harder for the government to track. More than two-thirds of the laws were passed by Republican-controlled legislatures, though often with bipartisan support...

At least MoJo allows dissenting voices in the comments- and boy, are there quite a few dissenters, mostly about the conspicuous lack of new gun crimes.
I'd also note that we were assured here at DU not so long ago that the influence of the NRA was overstated. Looks like the antis want it both ways...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Oct 3, 2012, 01:51 PM (88 replies)

Fast and Furious Scandal: New Details Emerge on How the U.S. Government Armed Mexican Drug Cartels

via ABC/Univision News (video at link):


Sept. 30, 2012

On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

Univision News identified a total of 57 more previously unreported firearms that were bought by straw purchasers monitored by ATF during Operation Fast and Furious, and then recovered in Mexico in sites related to murders, kidnappings, and at least one other massacre.

As part of Operation Fast and Furious, ATF allowed 1,961 guns to "walk" out of the U.S. in an effort to identify the high profile cartel leaders who received them. The agency eventually lost track of the weapons, and they often ended up in the hands of Mexican hit men , including those who ordered and carried out the attack on Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juarez where 18 young men were killed on September 2, 2009....

I can't wait for the first apologist to tell us F&F was "well intentioned"...

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Oct 3, 2012, 01:44 PM (19 replies)
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