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The European far-right is growing (by adopting "left" polices).

The rise of the French NF mirrors the growth in support for nationalists across Europe, with the far-right in Austria, Bulgaria, Poland and Austria also registering high in the polls on current projections. Dutch anti-Muslim populist Geert Wilders is polling well and Greek Neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn is now the third biggest party in Greek politics.

“Fear of immigration, crises of identity and recession combined have created a climate propitious to ultranationalist, anti-European ideology,” writes Le Nouvel Observateur columnist Jean-Gabriel Fredet.

Ironically, France’s FN has grown in popularity as the party has combined anti-immigrant sentiment with the sort of anti-globalisation, anti-market rhetoric that is usually the preserve of the left. This explains why the French Socialist Party is losing just as many voters to Len Pen as the centre-right UMP.

This combination of economic populism, anti-establishment rhetoric and xenophobia is not new – 20th century fascism was well known for it - but it has become an increasingly effective tool of the far-right as mainstream parties of the left have come to be seen as just as much a part of the establishment as their conservative counterparts.


It is interesting how the European far-right has kept its most disgusting policies - racism, xenophobia, ultra-nationalism - while covering it with a "populist dressing of the left and centre" - pro-choice, gay-friendly, anti-globalism, anti-market, anti-EU. The mainstream liberals are more pro-EU, pro-immigration and pro-trade.

The tea party types in the US are similar in terms of their disgusting policies but different in that they do not support most of the "populist dressing of the left and centre" like the European far-right.

"The real analogue to today’s unhinged right wing in America is yesterday’s unhinged right wing in


From the John Birch Society's wiki page:

The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.


it is important to realize that the tea party mentality is not a new phenomenon in the US. Neither is it restricted to the US - witness the rise of the "populist" right in Europe.

Excellent find, cali.

"... the rise of an ideological wing that is now willing to stand up to business interests.”

“We are looking at ways to counter the rise of an ideological brand of conservatism that, for lack of a better word, is more anti-establishment than it has been in the past,” said David French, the top lobbyist at the National Retail Federation. “We have come to the conclusion that sitting on the sidelines is not good enough.”

Some warned that a default could spur a shift in the relationship between the corporate world and the Republican Party. Long intertwined by mutual self-interest on deregulation and lower taxes, the business lobby and Republicans are diverging not only over the fiscal crisis, but on other major issues like immigration reform, which was favored by business groups and party leaders but stymied in the House by many of the same lawmakers now leading the debt fight.

“We ask them to carry our water all the time,” said one corporate sector lobbyist, who demanded anonymity in order to speak frankly about the relationship with Republicans. “But we don’t necessarily support them 100 percent of the time. And what has happened is the rise of an ideological wing that is now willing to stand up to business interests.”

After the 2010 elections, the Chamber and other business interests funneled millions of dollars into Republican redistricting efforts around the country, helping draw overwhelmingly safe Republican districts whose occupants — many among the most conservative House members — are now far less vulnerable to challenges from more moderate Republicans.


The ironies are numerous. The "anti-establishment" types that corporate republicans are worried about are other republicans.

"...the business lobby and Republicans are diverging..."

"... an ideological wing that is now willing to stand up to business interests ..."

And corporate republicans provided the funding for the gerrymandering that took place after the 2010 election and provided safe seats for the tea party folks that now bedevil them.

In one sense, sweet irony. But so bad for the country.

If there are strong, enforceable provisions on labor rights and the environment, then yes.

And the tea party anti-globalists and the Chinese will be unhappy. Of course, a treaty with strong labor rights and environmental standards will never get through the republican House.

Still such an agreement would be good for the rest of the countries involved, including Canada, Mexico, Japan and Australia. Like the EU with its high-standards trade rules, TPP countries would have something similar.

They can go on without the US. We will just stick with our WTO/NAFTA standards (low to nonexistent) which China loves. Or we can go "cowboy", stop negotiating with other countries and just tell the world what rules we plan to follow. "We are bigger than you. We are exceptional. We don't negotiate, we tell you what we are going to do.

Thanks, melm00se. Nice pie chart. Bookmarked. n/t

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