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Name: Dave
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Hometown: Gallatin, TN
Home country: USA
Current location: Portland, OR
Member since: Mon Nov 6, 2006, 02:59 PM
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We can all live next to one another. It's simple if we try.

You know, many, many, many years ago when I was back in TN my first grade class was the first class in my county to be totally integrated.

For those of you who don't know what that means it means my class was the first one where African American kids were in my class from the very beginning of my schooling. From Day One in first grade. Until that time whites and African Americans attended different, segregated schools in my home town.

I was a kid of about 7. I had no idea what was going on and the tumult it was causing in my little Southern town. Integration. My mother was aghast and afraid of what my happen to my older sisters. The abuse and the possible rape at the hands of those "other" people.

For my part, I really didn't think there was anything different about the kids who had a darker skin color than me when I entered first grade. They were just other kids along for the ride with me.

Thank goodness my parents didn't raise me to think differently of other people just because they have a different skin color.

Also, at that time in my life I hadn't the foggiest idea what an Asian, Jewish, Arabic, Native American, etc. person was given my little white, white, white town in TN. Thank the Spaghetti Monster I've had a bit more life experience now.

All of this diatribe comes around to me posting this great picture of a Palestinian kid and and Israeli kid. They seem to have no problem at all being friends.

Hatred and divisiveness is not something that one is born with. It is something one is taught.

I realize that Isaiah 2:4 Isn't part of the Torah nor the Q'uran. But I believe all of those who have descended from the Abrahamic religions can take a lesson from it.

Isaiah 2:4 (KJV version)

"And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Isn't it time we beat those mighty swords into mighty plowshares?

As long as extremists on both sides have an "ALL-OR-NOTHING" attitude we will see no peace.

From the very limited view I see on social media, the news, and web I want to desperately believe that the vast majority of both Israelis and Palestinians do not wish to be continually at war.

I believe that if anyone objectively looks into it the vast majority of the Palestinian people are not shooting rockets at Israel and don't want to. It is some political extremists in Hamas firing rockets. I believe that the vast majority of Palestinians would love to just have a stable country where they can own businesses, import and export, travel freely, have clean water and electricity. Unfortunately, the extremists who used to do the frequent terrorism by crossing out of Gaza and the West Bank and committing terrorism like suicide bombings, bus bombings, car bombings, etc. ruined it for all the Palestinians. I'm not saying those people had no valid grievances. I'm pretty sure they did/do. I take umbrage with the manner in which they dealt with these grievances.

Just like I'd be willing to be the vast majority of Israeli's would be more than happy for all this to be over as well. There are certainly extremists in Israel, the Likud, who I think, will not rest until they push the Palestinians into the seas or into other Arab nations. Of course, during the establishment of Israel there was no shortage of terrorists acts by the Israelis in defense of their cause. Menachem Begin was, infamously, one who committed what could be called terrorist acts in the name of Zionism and establishment of the Jewish state.

On Edit:

As with most conflicts there is no clear right vs. wrong/good vs. evil here. (The Nazis are an exception to that for certain when it comes to conflicts). There are varying opinions and political ideologies at play. Until BOTH sides agree to compromise on points they hold as inviolable then we'll get no where.

Note: I really tried to walk the fine line here and be fair. If I have offended anyone please educate me in a manner that will make me less ignorant in the future. Please don't just pillory me for being wrong or naive or too simplistic. Educate me. Please.

Rockets and Revenge

I've been watching a series of reports on Vice called "Rockets and Revenge" by reporter Danny Gold. In the series he spends time in Gaza and in Israel and does his best to present both sides in an unvarnished manner.

What I have learned from watching the series is that religion is evil, evil, evil.

On the one side of the conflict we have a religious group that lays claim to all the land because their God told them it was all theirs and that is recorded in their religious texts written thousands of years ago. On the other side of the conflict we have a religious group that lived on that land for generations before being exiled to set up a country defined by the UN.

The one constant you will hear from BOTH sides is that "God is with us." This actually does happen to be the exact same God of Abraham that both parties are claiming BTW. Not two different gods. Both sides claim it is God's will that they do what they do. It is sickening to hear so many atrocities being committed and people absolving themselves of those atrocities because it is "God's will."

Here is a link to the latest installment. I suggest watching the whole series.


I just subscribed to LINUX Journal - Hear that NSA?

Since the NSA thinks the LINUX Journal is a subversive site whose members need to be monitored I thought I'd go ahead and make sure they have another piece of straw in their haystack. Of course, being a subscriber to DU I was probably already on their fecal roster.

But hey, I'm actually quite a tech geek and use LINUX in my work and home so it actually makes sense for me to subscribe to LINUX Journal.

CO GOP Governor Candidate just as Bad as Romney.

Here's that 47% thing again.

On Wednesday, as Republican gubernatorial nominee Bob Beauprez toured Colorado to "build unity," a video surfaced that Democrats say shows his divisiveness.

The video shows Beauprez in a speech to the Denver Rotary Club in 2010 making comments that echo those that hurt Mitt Romney's challenge to President Barack Obama two years later.

"I see something that frankly doesn't surprise me, having been on Ways and Means Committee: 47 percent of all Americans pay no federal income tax," Beauprez said in the video. "I'm guessing that most of you in this room are not in that 47 percent God bless you but what that tells me is that we've got almost half the population perfectly happy that somebody else is paying the bill, and most of that half is you all."


In September 2012, Mother Jones magazine released a secretly recorded video of Romney who is endorsing Beauprez this year talking to a group of Republican donors. When Romney visited Colorado in 2012, Beauprez often stumped for the former Massachusetts governor.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them."

Fact-checkers found problems with Romney's remarks. While it's true that nearly 47 percent of Americans have enough deductions to pay no federal income tax, they pay other federal, state and local taxes, and many of those who do not pay federal income taxes and don't depend on the government: senior citizens, the working poor and, because of deductions, more than 21,000 Americans who earned more than $200,000 in 2009.

Americans who pay no taxes at all amount to less than 10 percent of the population, according to The Washington Post, which gave Romney three Pinocchios out of four in its Fact Checker column.


More at link: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26078290/video-shows-beauprez-saying-47-percent-dependant-government

If you have an actual issue to present please do so.

Otherwise please stop clogging the Jury System.

I just served on a jury where the alerter did not bother to provide an explanation of why he or she alerted. Not a single word about why he or she found a post offensive.

It was obviously easy, very easy for him or her to click on buttons of disapproval.

Unfortunately A lot more difficult to actually explain that disapproval. Yep, it actually does take some time to make an argument and explain one's self.

The alerter must have clicked on the alert button and the submit buttons with wild abandon.

Unfortunately the alerter didn't take the time to explain in the rather large text box what he found objectionable.

That is correct. The alerter didn't provide the least bit of explanation for why he might have been offended.

When I clicked through to the original complaint there was nothing, nothing at all explaining why he was offended and alerted. NOTHING!

If you wish for me to hide a post you'd better give me an argument that is a lot more than NOTHING.

No more "Buffer Zones." Limited "Free Speech Zones" still legal.

I can't say I am surprised by the Court's decision about buffer zones. I am disappointed. In this day and age where we have designated "free speech" protest zones approved by the Court it seems we could have carved out the same sort of thing to protect women and workers at these clinics.

This isn't really about gentle little old ladies who are trying to persuade women to not have a legal, very safe medical procedure. This is about violent people who harass women on their way into clinics.

I have no doubt that women who seek a safe, legal medical procedure at these clinics have thought thoroughly about their decision. A decision that I have no doubt they have considered and angsted over for some time. One that is probably the most difficult decision they've ever faced and made.

Not to mention, the VAST MAJORITY of women going to Planned Parenthood are going there for preventive health care. Like Pap smears and breast cancer screenings. Or reproductive health care including HOW TO GET PREGNANT AND BEAR A CHILD.

What could be more "Pro-Life" than providing people with preventive health care? Care that might save their lives and make it possible for them to reproduce when and if they choose to do so.


A note on Jury Service. (edited)

Please, PLEASE jurors, let the buffoons deservedly reap what they sowed. Don't hide their posts. Allow their ridiculous posts to get the shitstorm of disapproval they deserve through replies to those posts.

It seems to me that we may have recently passed the tipping point at times of being too quick to hide posts as jurors. I serve on juries and about the only thing that will get me to vote "hide" is if a person used the typically banned "n-word," "c-word," or was overtly bigoted, racist, homophobic or misogynist. Yet, I still allow quite a bit a leeway for those opinions if they do not venture into the "stone the heretics" territory. And yes, there have been some of the most vile posts about killing, maiming and otherwise harming others here on DU that certainly deserved to be hidden and their author banned. I would happily vote to ban them and did so when I was on MIRT.

I read the alerted post in context of the thread and in context of the post to which the person replied. If someone is a bit bigoted, racist, homophobic or misogynist then I feel a response to their post is more in order than hiding it. We cannot battle ignorance by ignoring and hiding it.

If you serve on a jury you MUST be willing to read the WHOLE thread and the context in which the alerted post was entered upon that thread. You cannot just read the single post that was alerted upon and make judgement.

Vulgar language is not going to get me to vote to hide a post.

When someone posts something that many of us think is out of bounds of normal discourse, that's not necessarily out of bounds with the TOS of DU.

I'd find it far, far better to leave their posts public and make intelligent responses to them rather than just hide them. How else can we hope to educate? Some people we'll be able to educate and change point of views. Others will be hopeless. We just have to recognize the difference between the two and put our efforts toward education.

If we continue to try to hide EVERY post we find objectionable this will no longer be a discussion board. It will be a campfire with all of us holding hands and singing "Kum Bah Ya"

I don't think that is what any of us desires. I think we are here on DU because we like lively debate. So don't squelch debate, but feel free to berate what you believe is nonsense and keep that nonsense public just to ensure everyone can see the paucity of some people's arguments.

Thanks BainsBane for pointing out where I was just wrong.

I'll admit that I was wrong about reading the "whole" thread. The content of a sub-thread between a couple or few people is usually enough to get the context and make a proper decision on an alerted post.

However, I still scan the whole thread for tone. To me, at least, that is important.

On Edit 2:

This OP was only meant to share how I do things and how I feel we ALL may need to adjust our thoughts from time to time. Why else would be here on DU if we didn't want a lively debate and an opportunity to have our beliefs challenged? We need not take offense to such challenges. We should appreciate them. I know I do when I stop being pissed off about those challenges to me.

I apologize if this was taken as some sort of instruction manual for people. That was not at all my intent. It was, however, my intent to get people on juries to think a bit before hitting the "hide" and offering no explanation of why they voted to hide. I find that very frustrating.

My intent, in concert with the purpose of DU, was open debate and have a discussion. Not at all to be overlord of sorts telling anyone what they should or should not do.

I am SO, SO going to miss Jay Carney.

Carney has been, IMHO, one of the best Press Secretaries. He has parried and foiled the most obnoxious questions from the press staff with dignity and aplomb. I hope Obama's next Press Secretary is as skilled as Carney.

The STUPID - It burns.

I'm not sure how these people manage to breathe and live on their own.

Pluto is still out there and it's not the 50th state. That would be HI. Yes, Pluto has been downgraded from being a "Planet" but it's no where near how far your head is up Uranus you Einstein.

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