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Hillary Shows Elizabeth Warren New Campaign Motto

I remember how sick and hurt, bitter and ashamed I felt in 2003 watching the invasion gather

Knowing it was based on lies and ultimately destined to be a failure, the lies were obvious to anyone paying attention at the time and the outcome was also obvious to anyone with a modicum of understanding of the history of the region.

The final vote to give Bush his war to show he was a bigger man than his father is something that still raises bile in my throat if I dwell on it much, particularly knowing the truly disgusting, inhuman and dishonorable things done in the pursuit of that war.

Any face associated with that war still brings those feelings back when I see them, I can't help but think of the blood spilled and the human sacrifices made in the pursuit of that horrific and ultimately counterproductive mistake whenever I see someone I associate with that war.

I sat absolutely shocked for a long time after the Senate vote for the IWR, anyone paying attention knew Bush was going to invade, he was practically drooling on himself in quivering anticipation. I felt lost, abandoned, nauseated and most of all ashamed, ashamed that I could not do more to stop the senseless slaughter we all knew was coming.

And this song was running through my head.

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why don't they go out to fight
They leave that all to the poor

Noun Verb Number wants you talking about him.. He doesn't care what you say he wants the attention

As long as he has people who will defend him he gets the positive attention he craves and he doesn't care one bit about the negative attention.

After all is said and done Joe Biden's description of NVN is one of the most deadly accurate I've ever heard.

The harder those who despise him attack the stronger the defenders will defend and the more NVN will bask in their adulation, that's all he wants, pure naked ego.

This might clear up some misconceptions regarding categories

Then on the other hand I suspect it might start a lovely argument.

The Walking Dead have nothing on this bunch.. (Jeb!)

Notice the two names in the very middle...

Liberal candidates lose Presidential elections when Republicans commit treason..

That is the lesson of the 1968 and 1980 Presidential elections.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason

Richard Nixon was a traitor.

The new release of extended versions of Nixon's papers now confirms this long-standing belief, usually dismissed as a "conspiracy theory" by Republican conservatives. Now it has been substantiated by none other than right-wing columnist George Will.

Nixon's newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson.

Nixon's interference with these negotiations violated President John Adams's 1797 Logan Act, banning private citizens from intruding into official government negotiations with a foreign nation.

Published as the 40th Anniversary of Nixon's resignation approaches, Will's column confirms that Nixon feared public disclosure of his role in sabotaging the 1968 Vietnam peace talks. Will says Nixon established a "plumbers unit" to stop potential leaks of information that might damage him, including documentation he believed was held by the Brookings Institute, a liberal think tank. The Plumbers' later break-in at the Democratic National Committee led to the Watergate scandal that brought Nixon down.


http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/20287-without-reagans-treason-iran-would-not-be-a-problem

Behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked out a deal with the leader of Iran's radical faction - Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini - to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election.

This was nothing short of treason. The Reagan campaign's secret negotiations with Khomeini - the so-called "October Surprise" - sabotaged Carter and Bani-Sadr's attempts to free the hostages. And as Bani-Sadr told The Christian Science Monitor in March of this year, they most certainly "tipped the results of the [1980] election in Reagan's favor."

Not surprisingly, Iran released the hostages on January 20, 1981, at the exact moment Ronald Reagan was sworn into office.




Interesting original artwork I found in a junk store

The owner is a friend of mine and let me take the pictures when I saw it behind the counter, I told him I wanted to put the images up online and he was good with that.

I've been trying to get these pics off a friends iphone for a few weeks, she let me use it to get the pictures because I didn't have anything at the time. She didn't know how to send them to email and I have never even touched an iphone before so it was kind of a process of experimentation, one of her kids eventually did it for her.

Hope this is appropriate for GD..




Dick 'n Dubya were only doing what Americans, their constituents, wanted when they invaded Iraq

It's not up to leaders to make decisions based on things like practicality, prudence, evidence and morality, they are there to do as the people who voted for them would wish in every instance. In 2003 the majority of Americans believed that Iraq was involved with the 9/11 attacks and therefore Americans wanted to attack Iraq so Snarl and Dim Son were morally obligated to attack Iraq, they had no choice in the matter despite what their own judgment of the situation might have been.

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Sounds pretty stupid, no?

Well, there's another OP up right now using just the same reasoning about some other politician and it has 26 recs as I type this, I'm sure everyone who recced that thread will be over here reccing this one shortly.



Four hundred and twenty eight dollars per person

$3,000,000,000,000/7,000,000,000 people = $428 per person.

That's $428 for each of the 7 billion people on the planet, the true cost of the Iraq war as calculated by Nobel economics laureate Joseph Stiglitz.

I have to say that until I ran the numbers I never dreamed it was that much per living human being.



How much social justice would $3,000,000,000,000 buy?


“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”
-Dwight Eisenhower

His son John Eisenhower writes, “The most fundamental conviction that the period of Ike’s command in Europe and the Mediterranean imprinted on his mind was the cruelty, wastefulness and stupidity of war.


According to Nobel winning economist Joseph Stiglitz the eventual cost of the Iraq war will be over three trillion dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Trillion_Dollar_War

There's two possible reasons I can think of to explain why Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution; the first possible reason is that Hillary genuinely believed that the Iraq war was the right war in the right place at the right time for the right reasons with the right people commanding the action and the second reason is that she didn't think the Iraq war was the right war at the right place at the right time and so on but she thought she had to vote for it for reasons of politics.

In my view the first explanation, thinking that Dubya was the right President to invade Iraq and that Iraq needed to be invaded at that time shows a remarkable lack of good judgement and a callous disregard for the vulnerable not only in this country but in Iraq as well.

I'll leave it up to you as to what you think of the second explanation.


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