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The Plan to Sell Texas to Great Britain, with a hint of treason

In 1843, a New England lawyer almost managed to sell Texas to Great Britain. A convinced abolitionist practicing law in what was then the independent Republic of Texas, Stephen Pearl Andrews got it into his head that, in an attempt to free Texas’s slaves, he would invite a foreign power into North America and hand over a massive chunk of it. Andrews’s attempt to free Texas’s slaves by way of an invitation to foreign interference illustrates the strange bedfellows created by “the slavery question” in the nineteenth century. Andrews, in his quixotic vision, in his idealism, ambition, and occasional crankery, was an exemplary nineteenth-century American figure.

Andrews spent his late teens and early twenties teaching at a girls’ school in New Orleans opened by his brother and sister-in-law, where he was exposed to the reality of slavery. He grew close to a man named George, a slave at the Andrews’s school, who went about his work with a cheerful attitude until, one night, confiding as to the true nature of his condition. George’s reports of his own sorry treatment at the hands of his owners, from the everyday indignities to whippings, left Andrews with “a profound impression… of the tremendous power of that great national machinery of oppression, American Slavery.” That impression never left him.

In 1841, Andrews hatched a plan to make his political and moral beliefs a lived reality: He would convince Great Britain to buy up all the land in Texas on the condition that they free Texas’s slaves. The idea was not as outlandish as it might sound. In 1833, Great Britain had done something similar in abolishing slavery on its plantations in the West Indies. There, slaveholders were paid a total of $20 million sterling in recompense for their lost property, though they retained the land. And Texas had already reached across the Atlantic for economic aid. The South Carolina politician James Hamilton had recently attempted to borrow $5 million from European nations in support of Texas.

By the exchange of British money for Texas land, slaveholders could be reimbursed for the loss of their slaves and slavery could be abolished; [British] emigrants would pour into a ‘free soil territory’ and under the protection of the British flag expediency would be made to serve principle.

Obviously, Andrews failed but fascinating that this "negrophilist" was greeted by several mobs during his campaign from plantation to plantation and public meetings, included one that had a rope ready for the meddler.

More at https://daily.jstor.org/plan-sell-texas-great-britain/?utm_term=The%20Plan%20to%20Sell%20Texas%20to%20Great%20Britain&utm_campaign=jstordaily_11082018&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email

Posted by Kind of Blue | Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:50 PM (2 replies)

Segregation is dead, how long, how violent, how expensive is the funeral

Heard a paraphrase of James Baldwin on Morning Joe. The quote comes from Baldwin's essay on the Civil Rights Movement after his meeting with MLK, titled "The Dangerous Road Before Martin Luther King."

"King is entirely right when he says that segregation is dead. The real question which faces the Republic is just how long, how violent, and how expensive the funeral is going to be; and this question it is up to the Republic to solve, it is not really in King’s hands.

So my thought is, since racism is discussed casually these days in the media, I wonder if we at least will move to real discussions of not only merely dead but how to make it really and most sincerely dead? How long?

Posted by Kind of Blue | Wed Nov 7, 2018, 10:32 AM (8 replies)

We know that the town was not named after lynching. But it's incorrect to say

that Lynchburg has nothing to do with the practice of lynching. You left out half the story that explains how the word came to be. Another confusion is that lynching did not begin as racial violence. Charles was known to be a zealot patriot and would lynch, severely beat, Tories, enslaved people and whites alike who he felt sided with Tories. There is no record, not to say it didn't happen, that anyone was executed by a beat down then known as lynching. He really couldn't execute anyone because his county was a hotbed of colonial loyalists.

Historic records show that Charles Lynch was even the first to use the verb to lynch and there was a challenge from his relative William Lynch, I think of Illinois, vying for but denied credit for coining the word because of his vigilante forays during the Revolutionary War.

Looking further back in Ireland where the family came from, there is legend that a 15th century ancestor was the first to take up the illegal practice, that some scholars say Charles probably heard. So there was no doubt of the all around association of to lynch with the Lynch family.

There are things not in question. No one indicted John Lynch and I made clear where the confusion lies. You changed the poster's suggestion of reconsidering the name of the town to whether Everyone should change their surname. What? I'll rather stay on point and not muddy the OP's news of bringing down Confederate monuments. But I felt the poster made a good point of changing the name of a town that is synonymous with cruel and unusual punishment. And had to address your claim that lynching, as it was practiced then, had nothing to do with Lynchburg, where it started, is false.
Posted by Kind of Blue | Mon Nov 5, 2018, 12:50 PM (1 replies)

Don't fall for the bullshit why Lynchburg is aptly named

In response to https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142193720

"Sorry, the name has EVERYTHING to do with the term lynching.

While John Lynch did free enslaved people during his lifetime, though the captives were returned to slavery after his death, and as compelling as that story is, the most important story to me is we cannot escape the fact that the term is directly linked to his brother Charles Lynch, Jr., a great "patriot," who started this specific practice of extra-judicial authority and the originator of the term lynching/Lynch Law. Google him if you care to know more.

Dig a little deeper, connect the dots for why any fallacy or truths linger to help stop regressive, On Edit, progressive whitewashing. "We're" liberated from the King of England but continue the practice of slavery long after the British gave it up. "Defeat" the Confederacy but enact Jim Crowe till this day. "Defeat" the Nazis and veer to McCarthyism. "Defeat" the Russians in the Cold War but now we have a government that is basically Checkist, clearly fascists-mother loving Russia as the last hope of white supremacy. And here, you dismiss the valid point of even name change by promoting the cool Lynch brother over his cruel Lynch sibling who started this, for lack of a better word right now because I'm too angry and overwrought, Bullshit.

As in my indigenous African proverb says, and I agree with Giuliani's assessment about truths from a while ago, "There are no truths. Just stories," which story do you adhere to in this struggle to remove ideology that took a war to defeat but still is beyond a doubt the prevailing "truth?"

Please, people, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm willing to learn.

The term of Lynch Law


Posted by Kind of Blue | Mon Nov 5, 2018, 12:04 AM (2 replies)

Bill Evans-Peace Piece/Flamenco Sketches

Hello, Music Appreciation people! I'm loving perusing this group. Thank you!

This weekend I'll watch a new documentary about the late great master Bill Evans, Time Remembered, at Amazon. I was overjoyed a few years ago to learn more of Evans and find that his Peace Piece preceded Miles Davis's Flamenco Sketches, from the Kind of Blue album - one of the most, if not the most moving music I've ever heard.

I'm particularly interested in more stories/info on the development of Flamenco Sketches from Peace Piece.


Posted by Kind of Blue | Fri Nov 2, 2018, 06:52 AM (0 replies)

Who knew? The Very Black History Of Punk Music

"Stories about punk music tend to picture thin-framed white guys and girls with shaved heads, part of an angry, energetic scene born out of the working class angst of young white England in the 1970s. But the actual history of punk – as a type of music and movement – is more complicated than that.

Black punks have been an integral and pioneering part of punk history – and they're keeping the movement alive and growing today. Host Sana Saeed explores that history and talks to proto-punk band Death, musician and journalist Greg Tate, the band The 1865 and festival organizer Shawna Shawnté."


Learn more here:
New York Times. “This Band Was Punk Before Punk Was Punk. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/arts/music/15rubi.html

Vice. “The Bands Taking British Punk Back to Its Multicultural Roots.” https://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/article/padjev/decolonise-fest-uk-punk-nekra-sacred-paws-fight-rosa
GQ. “Nazi Punks F**k Off: How Black Flag, Bad Brains and More Took Back Their Scene from White Supremacists.” https://www.gq.com/story/punks-and-nazis-oral-history
Relevant links:
A Band Called Death: https://drafthousefilms.com/collections/a-band-called-death
The Universe Is Lit: http://www.theuniverseislit.com
Bay Area Girls Rock Camp: https://www.bayareagirlsrockcamp.org/
The 1865: https://www.instagram.com/the1865band/

"To the degree that white progressives think we have arrived...

we will put our energy into making sure that others see us as having arrived.”

Excerpt from Robin DiAngelo's new book "White Fragility."

"The book is more diagnostic than solutions-oriented, and the guidelines it offers toward the end—listen, don’t center yourself, get educated, think about your responses and what role they play—won’t shock any nervous systems. The value in White Fragility lies in its methodical, irrefutable exposure of racism in thought and action, and its call for humility and vigilance. Combating one’s inner voices of racial prejudice, sneaky and, at times, irresistibly persuasive, is a life’s work. For all the paranoid American theories of being red-pilled, of awakening into a many-tentacled liberal/feminist/Jewish conspiracy, the most corrosive force, the ectoplasm infusing itself invisibly through media and culture and politics, is white supremacy.

That’s from a white progressive perspective, of course. The conspiracy of racism is hardly invisible to people of color, many of whom, I suspect, could have written this book in their sleep."

Oh, my God! Kindred was the first Butler book I read

and I had no idea the author was a black woman. I can't even start to tell you of the effect of being a sci-fi/fantasy nerd Butler had on me as a young black woman. Now, as I'm approaching crone-dom, I jump out of my skin to see many sites, such as black girl nerds, and I can rest, happy and hopefully way before I die, that Butler has inspired African and African-American writers to explore and write ourselves into the future and that Ms. Butler did this. I need a tissue of joy right now

Thanks so much, Polack MSgt, and Google, for this remembrance. I fucking love it!

And Thank You for the link, too!


"This is nothing new for America. The only difference is who the victims are.

For those not well versed in American history, the current actions are somewhat surprising and abhorrent. How could a nation founded on principles, which seem to be the polar opposite of these policies, be so callously taking children away from their parents?

The explanation is simple. We have done it before as a nation.

The famous orator and anti-slavery advocate Frederick Douglass used the forced separation from his mother as a tool to drive his desire and eventual escape from enslavement. With the official ending of slavery at the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in December 1865, the march was on to find lost family members. Children would look far and wide for missing parents and other relatives. Mothers and fathers would desperately try to reconnect with the children who had been stolen from them."


Battalora and DiAngelo: How #Antimiscegenation Created #WhiteFragility


Dr. Jacqueline Battalora is an attorney and professor of sociology and criminal justice at Saint Xavier University in Chicago. She is the author of “Birth of A White Nation: The Invention of White People and it's Relevance Today.”


Dr. Robin DiAngelo is the author of two books, “What Does It Mean To Be White: Developing Racial Literacy” and “Is Everyone Really Equal? An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education.”

Her area of research is in Whiteness Studies and Critical Discourse Analysis, explicating how Whiteness is reproduced in everyday narratives.

Posted by Kind of Blue | Thu Jun 7, 2018, 05:15 AM (4 replies)
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