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#Brexit: A Titanic Failure (short Twitter movie)


(Posted as a standalone because I love it so much.)

I really don't need an apology!

But this thread isn't the first time on my thirty or so years on the Internet when I've read similar claims from Americans that "cunt" isn't a big deal in the UK. When I was in school, far too long ago, it was the worst insult you could call someone, an invite to a punch-up, and that's still true in most everyday contexts nowadays.

It's widely referred to as "the C-bomb", and its shocking impact is used deliberately for effect by some comedians, for instance.

In the context of Trump's visit, let's consider Janey Godley, a notoriously "earthy" Glasgow comedian.

She uses the "c-word" and others liberally in her act for effect. She achieved a degree of fame/notoriety during Trump's Turnberry visit in 2016 on the day after the Brexit vote:

I got out of the bus and stood proudly with my sign “TRUMP IS A CUNT” the cops saw my sign and harassed me into folding it up.

“haha now nobody will see your stupid poster” the cop said.

It went viral, the world saw it so fuck him.


Now here she is during Trump's latest visit:

If the word isn't considered offensive, then why would she play on the idea of self-censorship during this visit?

The photoshop in the OP is a play on Godley's earlier placard and the fuss it provoked - in fact the placard the Queen's "holding" is a clip of Godley's sign.

That's the joke!

Mrs. Denzil was at the George Square demo. Some pics from Twitter:

David Davis resigns as Brexit secretary [UPDATE: JOHNSON'S GONE TOO!]

It comes after Mr Davis is understood to have disagreed with Theresa May's plans for future customs arrangements with EU.

Tory Brexiteers have threatened to challenge the prime minister's leadership over a strategy agreed by ministers after 12 hours of closed talks at Chequers on Friday.

Some Conservative MPs told The Independent they believed there could be enough disgruntled MPs willing to trigger a leadership contest in a bid to remove Ms May.

But even if the 48 needed to oust Ms May materialised, a poll for The Independent showed a majority of the public would expect a general election to be called if Ms May goes.


I'd class this resignation as breaking news, so details are thin at the moment, but it's been confirmed by various outlets, including the BBC.

Marina Hyde: "Keep calm - the Top Guns of Brexit have got our backs"

Barely two weeks after Russian phone pranksters taped him being indiscreet, I see Boris Johnson’s been the victim of another leaked recording. Speaking at a private dinner for Conservative Way Forward, the foreign secretary asked his audience not to panic during the coming Brexit “meltdown”, warned we may not get the Brexit we want, and implied the UK needed more “guts” in EU talks.


Still, tell you who else goes in bloody hard: David Davis. Don’t take my word for it – take Nadine Dorries’, even if she hasn’t been playing with a full set of patio furniture since the MPs’ expenses scandal. “David Davis is ex SAS,” thundered the member for Mid Bedfordshire this week. “He’s trained to survive. He’s also trained to take people out.” Actually, don’t take Nadine’s word for it, take David’s himself. Here’s the DExEU secretary on the joker who ambushed Theresa May during her conference speech last September: “He’s lucky I didn’t hit him. He’d have been down for a long time.” Ooh. Diet Coke break, girls!


Reading this faintly excruciating comment at the time, I went back to the footage from the conference hall, and could see the main reason why David Davis doesn’t take down the potential security threat to the prime minister is that David Davis stays sitting in his chair the whole time. So all we’re really left with is his timeworn yen for self-dramatisation. When Colombian criminals kidnapped a British defence attache in Bogotá in 1995, Davis was the foreign office duty minister, and inspired a Cobra meeting with the declaration: “Failure is not an option.” Personally I think it’s fine to quote Apollo 13, which was in cinemas at the time – but it is poor form not to attribute.


Incidentally, when I was writing this newspaper’s Diary column – some time in the early cretaceous period – I solicited reminiscences of Davis’s time in the SAS (territorial). A couple of his former brothers-in-arms got in touch with memories of TA 21-SAS (V). I had two favourite anecdotes. The first was when Davis was required to coordinate an ambush, and opted to position his men on either side of the road so that – had the exercise been real – the soldiers would have opened fire on each other. The Sun Tzu of DExEU, there. The second story saw Davis charged with managing an “escape and evasion” mission. “It was supposed to last five days,” recalled one of his men. “But he accidentally led us through a choke point – a kind of bottleneck where trackers always wait – and got us captured inside 36 hours. So we were put in a truck, blindfolded, driven around, and dropped at night on an undisclosed remote hill to start all over again.” I mean … the jokes are too easy, aren’t they?


Let Trump Handle Brexit: Explosive Leak Reveals Johnson's Private Views About Foreign Policy

Let Trump Handle Brexit: An Explosive Leaked Recording Reveals Boris Johnson’s Private Views About Britain’s Foreign Policy

“I am increasingly admiring of Donald Trump. I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness.”


BuzzFeed News has obtained an audio recording of a closed-door gathering at the Institute of Directors in London, where Johnson treated about 20 Tories to an extraordinarily unguarded and wide-ranging assessment of the UK’s foreign policy strategy – and his private thoughts about Brexit, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.


Speaking about Brexit, Johnson gave a remarkably candid rundown of the arguments that have bitterly divided May’s cabinet.


Johnson insisted he won’t compromise on the final terms of Britain’s future economic relationship, but said the Brexiteers were at risk of getting a deal far worse than they’d hoped for. The government is so terrified of short-term economic disruption that it’s at risk of throwing away the opportunities presented by Brexit. He ridiculed the concerns about disruption at the borders as “pure millennium bug stuff” and said it’s “beyond belief” that the Northern Ireland border has become an obstacle in the negotiations.


He said the debate about solutions to the Northern Irish border had been blown completely out of proportion. “It’s so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it’s just beyond belief that we’re allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way. We’re allowing the whole of our agenda to be dictated by this folly.”


More at the link, including audio excerpts.

How many have to die before this rises to your threshold of "slaughter"?

Mealy-mouthed parsing from the comfort of a computer can't gloss over the horror and loss, and the lasting resentment that will only fuel further atrocities (and I can find no other sensible word for this).

It reminds me of "An Interactive Guide to Ambiguous Grammar" - https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-ambiguous-grammar

Depending on whom you ask, the use of the active voice over the passive is arguably the most fundamental writer’s maxim, thought to lend weight, truth, and power to declarative statements. This absolutist view is flawed, however, because language is an art of nuance. From time to time, writers may well find illustrative value in the lightest of phrases, sentences so weightless and feathery that they scarcely even seem to exist at all. These can convey details well beyond the crude thrust of the hulking active voice, and when used strictly as ornamentation, they needn’t actually convey anything at all.

As a thought experiment, let’s examine in extremely close detail a set of iterative changes that can be made to a single simple grammatical structure, turning it from a statement taken at face value into one loaded with unrealized implication. This makes for rich writing which rewards – or even demands – close scrutiny.

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

[A longish read, IMHO well worth following to the end]

We have finally fully arrived at the ultimate in passive voice: the past exonerative tense, so named because culpability is impossible when actions no longer exist. For the most extensive erasure of direct communicative value, the original object can now even be removed entirely.

Speed was involved in a jumping‑related incident with a lazy dog while a fox was brown.

Amber Rudd resigns as home secretary after Windrush scandal

Amber Rudd has resigned as home secretary after repeatedly struggling to explain her role in the unjust treatment of Windrush generation migrants.

The home secretary had faced mounting pressure over her role in setting the culture and policies that led to long-term residents of Britain from Caribbean countries being denied healthcare, pensions and benefits and in some cases being threatened with deportation.

Rudd had been due to appear before parliament on Monday to explain apparent discrepancies between her evidence to the home affairs select committee last week and a memo leaked to the Guardian that linked her to targets for removing migrants.


Downing Street sources said that in preparing for her Commons statement on Monday, new information had become available that convinced her she must resign. However, they continued to insist that the “ambition” for a 10% increase in removals mentioned in a separate leaked letter was not a formal target.


Yeah, he first came to my attention during the Boston bombing aftermath a few years ago.

His posts at the time didn't give me any cause for concern and he gave out some useful information, as he still does from time to time.

Mensch and he had a very public and bitter falling out last year, so the claim that ""He was all over the place, so she dropped him" is a laughable gloss on what actually happened. Mensch was claiming repeatedly in the media that she and The Jester were collaborating more closely than he was happy about and making outlandish claims he didn't feel were helpful or factual. If anybody did the "ditching", it was The Jester, and she took it very, very badly, in the way only she can.

As for "outing" his .ru email address, that "revelation" has been doing the rounds since at least 2010 (do a Google search for it if you're short of rabbit holes to fall down - many of them are circular, and the screencap in your OP doesn't have a date stamp or any other confirmatory information). Numerous attempts have been made to doxx The Jester and discredit him over the years, none successful.

The Jester's recently also fallen out with John Schindler. Schindler's set up a paid-for private Twitter space, and The Jester felt he was exploiting his position for gain. The Jester had already set up his own private, supposedly secure, online discussion venue, so I guess you could put it down to rivalry if you were so inclined. Counterchekist and Schindler seem pretty close, to add to the mix.

I know a hell of a lot less about Counterchekist and haven't paid him/she/it/them much attention, but once you take a look at some of these social media personas (Schindler included), you learn to take everything and everybody with a pinch of salt.


I found some more to add to the mix earlier today (thought I'd add it here as these arguments come up time and time again), which is less wishy-washy than I was above.

Jean-Claude Piris is, to quote his Twitter bio, "French. Consultant EU law and International law. Former Director General of the EU Council’s Legal Service from 1988 to 2010" (he's been a lot more, but it's a bit of a mouthful, so see below*):


Steve Bullock @GuitarMoog

I've always argued that withdrawing Art50 notification successfully was (unusually) primarily a political rather than a legal question 5/

JC Piris @piris_jc

But it is legally possible to!nobody could expel the U.K. if it decided to remain according to its constitutional practice before 29th March 2019. Unilateral choice. The 27 cannot impose any condition

Juho Romakkaniemi, current Head of Cabinet for the Vice-President of the European Commission, chimed in:


Juho Romakkaniemi @Romakka

Of course. If Britain decides and notifies before March 31st 2019 that it does not want to leave, that’s enough: #Brexit van be cancelled by a single letter. It’s in the end of the day a political, not a judical decision. https://twitter.com/guitarmoog/status/962804603065700353

* "Jean-Claude Piris served as the Legal Counsel of the Council of the EU and Director General of its Legal Service from 1988 to 2010. He is an Honorary French Conseiller d'Etat, a former diplomat at the UN and the former Director of Legal Affairs of the OCED. He was the Legal Advisor of the successive intergovernmental conferences which negotiated and adopted the treaties of Maastricht, Amsterdam and Nice, the Constitutional Treaty and, finally, the Lisbon Treaty. He was also Senior Emile Noel Fellow and Straus Institute Fellow at New York University."
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