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Senator Merkley Explains How YOU Could Be Indefinitely Imprisoned With No Trial thanks to NDAA 2012

I saw this in the video forum and thought I'd cross-post it here. I think it gives a pretty good explanation of people's concerns.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10171541

Senator Feinstein proposes a stand-alone bill to fix the problems with the NDAA.

Sounds good, but if they thought it was needed, why didn't they just fix the NDAA in the first place instead of introducing this stand-alone bill? Still this would be good if it passes.


December 15, 2011
Feinstein: Prohibit Indefinite Detention of American Citizens Without Trial or Charge

‘Constitution gives every citizen the basic due process right to a trial on their charges’
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, today introduced the Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011, legislation that states American citizens apprehended inside the United States cannot be indefinitely detained by the military.

The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 amends the Non-Detention Act of 1971 by providing that a Congressional authorization for the use of military force does not authorize the indefinite detention—without charge or trial—of U.S. citizens who are apprehended domestically.

The Feinstein bill also codifies a “clear-statement rule” that requires Congress to expressly authorize detention authority when it comes to U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. The protections for citizens and lawful permanent residents is limited to those “apprehended in the United States” and excludes citizens who take up arms against the United States on a foreign battlefield, such as Afghanistan.

Feinstein said: “The argument is not whether citizens such as Yaser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla—or others who would do us harm—should be captured, interrogated, incarcerated and severely punished. They should be.

“But what about an innocent American? What about someone in the wrong place at the wrong time? The beauty of our Constitution is that it gives every citizen the basic due process right to a trial on their charges.

“Experiences over the last decade prove the country is safer now than before the 9/11 attacks. Terrorists are behind bars, dangerous plots have been thwarted. The system is working.

“We must clarify U.S. law to state unequivocally that the government cannot indefinitely detain American citizens inside this country without trial or charge. I strongly believe that Constitutional due process requires U.S. citizens apprehended in the U.S. should never be held in indefinite detention. And that is what this new legislation would accomplish.”

The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 is cosponsored by Senators Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Mike Lee (R-Utah), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Tom Udall (D-N.M.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).

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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=92cd1ac6-e756-4cd3-982c-ab34d1933d94

Senator Bernie Sanders Statement on Defense Authorization Bill, via his Twitter

Sanders Statement on Defense Authorization Bill

December 15, 2011
WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - The Senate today voted for a Department of Defense bill that authorizes $662 billion for the military, almost as much as last year despite the withdrawal of all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of the year. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted no and issued the following statement:



"The bill continues to authorize heavy spending on defense despite the end of the 9-year-old war in Iraq. Ironically, the Senate vote came on the same day when Defense Secretary Panetta was in Baghdad officially declaring that our military mission there has ended and that virtually all of the combat troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year. At a time when we have tripled defense spending since 1997 and spend more today on defense than the rest of the world combined, I get concerned that my deficit-hawk friends say we've got to cut Social Security, Medicare, education, health care and other programs that help working families, but when it comes to defense spending the sky is the limit.

"This bill also contains misguided provisions that in the name of fighting terrorism essentially authorize the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens without charges. While we must aggressively pursue international terrorists and all of those who would do us harm, we must do it in a way that protects the Constitution and the civil liberties which make us proud to be Americans."





http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=4e84d833-0f2b-480e-a564-36e84f29b729

http://twitter.com/#!/SenatorSanders

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bingo, this protects the President for things that have already happened.

This NDAA is putting a Congressional stamp of approval on the long detentions which Bush and Obama have already commited, especially for foreign nationals snatched up abroad, such as in Afghanistan, or Africa, Arabia, Europe, etc. and also in the USA.

This should help protect Presidents Bush and Obama from being arrested on charges of war crimes or kidnapping when they travel outside the US. They can claim that their actions were legal under US law.

Many people have asked 'What is behind this?', 'Why is this coming up right now?', 'Who is pushing for this?', etc.
And here is a possible explanation.

Amy Goodman - Democracy Now: NDAA a Radical Expansion of Indefinite Detention

lindsey graham 'shut up' video

It's probably already been posted elsewhere, but here is this





Stop SOPA.

SOPA /PROTECT IP is going to end the internet as we know it.

So much of what people do online is just re-post stuff that they saw and they though was cool.

That's what we do webforums to show each other stuff that we think is important.

Hopefully the internet companies like Facebook, myface, google/youtube, etc will start throwing some serious Cash Money at Congress to block these laws. That would be our only real hope to stop SOPA at this point. We could try writing a letter to our representative, but I think $millions in Cash Money Donations would have more effect at this point.




Landlord defends 'White Only' sign on swimming pool



Landlord fights 'White Only' pool sign ruling By The Associated Press

CINCINNATI - A landlord found to have discriminated against a black girl by posting a "White Only" sign at a swimming pool wants a state civil rights commission to reconsider its decision.

The Ohio Civil Rights Commission found on Sept. 29 that Jamie Hein, who's white, violated the Ohio Civil Rights Act by posting the sign at a pool at the duplex where the teenage girl was visiting her parents. The parents filed a discrimination charge with the commission and moved out of the duplex in the racially diverse city to "avoid subjecting their family to further humiliating treatment," the commission said in a release announcing its finding.

An investigation revealed that Hein in May posted on the gated entrance to the pool an iron sign that stated "Public Swimming Pool, White Only," the commission statement said.

Several witnesses confirmed that the sign was posted, and the landlord indicated that she posted it because the girl used in her hair chemicals that would make the pool "cloudy," according to the commission.


Read more:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/14/9441008-landlord-fights-white-only-pool-sign-ruling

Oiligarchy flash game...

Anybody played this game? I played it all the way to the end. The game ends if you run out of oil. I think I had a pretty good ending, I got windmills. Anybody get a different ending?

http://www.addictinggames.com/strategy-games/oiligarchy.jsp





Chile men urged to ditch ties to beat heat



Chilean President Sebastian Pinera (second left) and other regional leaders ditched ties at a summit



The authorities in Chile are encouraging men to leave their ties at home during the coming summer months to save energy.

The country's energy minister Rodrigo Alvarez said the measure would help reduce the use of air conditioning and lead to overall energy savings.

Weather forecasters expect temperatures of over 30C (86F) this summer.

The Energy Ministry said letting the temperature of a room rise by 1-3C would reduce energy costs by around 3%.

In a statement, it said that if this was implemented in the public and private sectors during the hottest months of the year, from January to March, it could save about £6.5m ($10m).

Mr Alvarez said the idea of encouraging employees to leave their ties at home had already been put into practice successfully in Japan and Spain


more:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16172476
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