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What is reasonable gun control...

Nobody even really gets around to a straight answer; at least not any that allows for much debate. I have had way too much time on my hands the last few days so I submit this for debate/argument/flame

Conflict of interest disclaimer- I own and carry a firearm daily, wherever legal. I am required to be an NRA member for business reasons but give no support beyond basic membership.



It will be assumed prohibited persons will be similar as is today

The NFA of 1934 and GCA of 1968 will be repealed. In their place will be the following restrictions:

1) The following may be purchased with an instant background check. No record of sale shall be required
A. Revolvers holding no more than 6 rounds
B. Non-semiautomatic rifles with a fixed magazine
C. Non semiautomatic shotguns with fixed magazines of no more than 8 rounds
D. Semiautomatic rifles with fixed magazine holding no more than 5 rounds
E. Semiautomatic shotguns with fixed magazines holding no more than 5 rounds
F. Any pistol or rifle of caliber .22LR or less, regardless of capacity
G. A onetime fee of $20 shall be charged at the time of purchase to be used as in 9) below

2) The following may be purchased with an instant background check and permanent file with local law enforcement to be updated at any transfer of the gun
A. Semiautomatic pistols
B. Semiautomatic rifles with fixed magazines of greater than 5 round capacity
C. Semiautomatic rifles with removable magazines
D. Magazine capacity will be capped at 30 rounds.
E. Owners of previously made magazines may turn them in, receiving a number of 30 round magazines equivalent to the capacity of the surrendered magazine, round up to the nearest number.
F. Non semiautomatic and semiautomatic shotguns of capacities greater than listed above
G. Shotguns with removable magazines
H. A onetime fee of $50 shall be charged at the time of purchase to be used as in 9) below

3) The following may be purchased with a 30 day background check and permanent file with ATF to be updated at any transfer of the gun through local law enforcement. Renewal of registration shall be made every 5 years through local law enforcement
A. Pistols capable of full automatic fire
B. Rifles capable of any burst or full auto firing
C. Rifles that are converted for bump firing
D. Pistols capable of generating muzzle energy greater than 200ft/lbs
E. Rifles or other long arm capable of generating muzzle energy of greater than 5000 ft/lbs
F. A fee of $50 shall be charged at the time registration, renewal or transfer, to be used as in 9) below

4) Open carry of firearms shall be permitted with government issued ID and completion of 16 hour course of training on justifiable use of force and shooting skill. Law enforcement may inspect ID with reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity or during a traffic stop. Openly carrying a gun is not grounds for suspicion of unlawful activity.

5) Concealed carry of a firearm shall be permitted with government issued ID, concealed carry permit and completion of 16 hour course of training on justifiable use of force and shooting skill. Training must be renewed every ten years. Law enforcement may inspect ID with reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity or during a traffic stop. A onetime fee of $100 shall be charged at the initial permit application to be used as in 9) below

6) Ammunition purchased in person will require a government issued ID and instant approval check

7) Ammunition
A. Ammunition purchased online must include purchasers government issued ID number to instant approval check
B. Online purchases of greater than 1000 rounds will be delivered to customer designated law enforcement where they shall be picked up in person upon confirmation of ID
C. A fee of $.01 shall be charge on each cartridge at purchase to be used as in 9) below

8) Opt-out
A. Businesses who do not choose to opt-out of allowing open or concealed carry shall be immune to civil liability suits
B. Businesses open to the public who choose to opt-out of allowing legal carry of firearms are assuming responsibility for their patrons and are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use
C. Businesses not open to the public who choose to opt-out of allowing legal carry of firearms are assuming responsibility for their employees and are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use
D. Private home owners may choose to not allow firearms into their dwellings without liability
E. Landlords may not prohibit their tenants from keeping firearms in rented property unless cohabiting with the landlord and the prohibition is included in a written tenant contract
F. Churches may choose to not allow firearms into their buildings without liability
G. Schools may choose to not allow firearms into their buildings without liability
H. Areas and building designated as ‘high-security’ locations may prohibit firearms. These locations must provide on-site armed security and conduct entry checks with metal detectors and/ or physical searches
I. Cities or other municipalities may enact greater restrictions on carry of firearms as follows
1. Prohibition of open carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $10 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
2. Prohibition of concealed carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $25 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
3. Prohibition of all carry- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $50 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below
4. Prohibition of firearm ownership- the entity shall pay a yearly fee of $1000 per citizen, as of the most recent census, to be used as in 9) below. In addition, the entity is are assuming responsibility for their citizens and visitors therefore are liable to civil suits from any injury resulting from legal or illegal gun use

9) Usage of fees
A. All fees collected through the above shall go to the Justice department
B. Monies collected shall be put into an interest bearing fund to be used, as directed by Congress, with the following priorities
1. Benefit fund to the victims of gun violence or their families
2. Violence reduction programs
3. Liability insurance for gun owners. Yearly fee may be set by Congress for participation, not to exceed the median cost of similar private insurance
4. Gun buyback and amnesty programs for those prohibited by law from owning firearms


OK let 'er rip

Feinstein: Election year not ideal for gun debate

WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Dianne Feinstein says the nation needs to have a "sane" discussion on gun control and ban military-style assault weapons. But the California Democrat acknowledges that probably won't happen before the November election.
Feinstein tells "Fox News Sunday" that "people haven't rallied" in years because of the power and reach of the gun lobby, and that with the election looming, "it's a bad time to embrace a new subject."
President Barack Obama called for reinstating the ban during his 2008 presidential campaign. But since his election, he hasn't worked to get that done or back other proposals.
Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson challenged Feinstein on Fox by saying the issue wasn't about guns, but rather "sick, demented individuals." Feinstein disagreed, saying "people use these weapons because they can get them."

http://news.yahoo.com/feinstein-election-not-ideal-gun-debate-153421106.html

As much as I dislike the Senator from California, I have to agree with her this time.
Does anyone believe a deep discussion of gun control will help Obama and Democrats in the upcoming elections?

Gun control or carry permits won't stop mass murder

(CNN) -- There are few criminal events as stunning and frightening as a mass shooting. The suddenness, randomness and unpredictability of episodes like Friday's early morning massacre at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater cause us all to wonder whether any place is safe.
In our search for some pattern or commonality to these tragedies that might help us make sense of what appears so senseless, we invariably seek answers to such questions as: "What would inspire someone to commit such a dreadful act, one that was clearly planned in terms of time and place?" and "Are there measures that would reduce the likelihood of such events or at least reduce the carnage associated with them when they do occur?"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/fox-mass-murder/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

A well-reasoned article; I agree with the conclusion that neither solution will have much effect.
He seems to think there is nothing that can be done. Is it time to just give up?

10 Things You Didn’t Know About the Fourth of July

Have to have something here on the 4th...

1. America didn’t declare its independence on the Fourth of July

Perhaps the greatest misconception of this American holiday lies in the name and its equally iconic date. The true “Independence Day” depends on your definition of when such an official declaration was indeed truly official. It’s widely believed that America’s first Continental Congress declared their independence from the British monarchy on July 4th, 1776. However, the official vote actually took place two days before and the “Declaration” was published in the newspapers on July 4th.

2-10 http://thefw.com/things-about-fourth-of-july/
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