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Mpls. Students Walk Out of School to Protest Ferguson Decision

Mpls. Students Walk Out of School to Protest Ferguson Decision
Updated: 11/25/2014 12:10 PM
Created: 11/25/2014 5:34 AM KSTP.com

Students at several Minneapolis high schools participated in protests Tuesday in the wake of the grand jury's decision in Ferguson, Missouri, to not indict an officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

A Missouri grand jury had been meeting for months before deciding not to indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the Aug. 9 fatal shooting of Brown. The decision sparked protests around the country, including some in Minnesota.

Hundreds of students at South High School in Minneapolis streamed out the front door, walked down the sidewalk and filled the street Tuesday morning to protest the decision. Minneapolis police cars eventually showed up not to stop the protest, but to block off the streets so the protesters would be safer.

Some faculty members could also be seen marching alongside the students, saying they would support the protesters as long as they remained peaceful.
Video at link

Perhaps the GJ really had no other option

I looked up MO justification for police use of force and found this:

Missouri's Standard for Use of Deadly Force While Making an Arrest Is Absurdly Lax

Peter Suderman|Aug. 15, 2014 4:35 pm

In the wake of the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri last weekend, one of the key questions is whether the killing was legal under Missouri law.

Crucials details of the incident, in which officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Brown, who was unarmed, are still unclear.

But we can take a look at what the state has to say about when an officer can use deadly force by police while making an arrest.

Basically, the rules say that an officer has to "reasonably believe" that such force is necessary immediately in order to proceed with the arrest and also that the person either committed a felony or is a threat.

Here's the legalese:

3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

3(2)(a) is so broad it can include just about anything
Per Missouri Revised Statutes Chapter 565 Offenses Against the Person Section 565.082
(2) Knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical injury to a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer by means other than a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument;
(6) Purposely or recklessly places a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer in apprehension of immediate serious physical injury;

Merely taking a step towards an officer could be considered placing him in apprehension of immediate serious physical injury

3(2)(c) is basically "Or any other reason" as an officer could always claim it was his belief the arrestee could inflict serious physical injury on someone.

Given how these standards set the bar so incredibly low and the unusual way the DA presented the case, it would have been virtually impossible to honestly vote for indictment.
Wilson didn't need to testify; he could have just dropped a Monopoly Get Out of Jail Free card on the table and walked away.

The benefits begin or Is this really what you meant?

Washington state museum pulls firearms from WWII exhibit over new gun law
Reuters By Victoria Cavaliere
7 hours ago

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A museum in Washington state plans to remove about a dozen borrowed firearms from a World War Two exhibit and return them to their owners to comply with a new gun law that requires background checks for all gun transfers, the institution said on Wednesday.

Washington voters passed legislation earlier this month expanding background checks on all firearms purchases to include sales at guns shows and online, as well for loans and transfers.

The Lynden Pioneer Museum, located about 100 miles north of Seattle and just south of the Canadian border, said that as a result it was pulling all 11 of the World War Two-era guns in its exhibit, "Over the Beach: The WWII Pacific Theater," before the law takes effect.

"The museum will be returning these guns to their owners because as of Dec. 4, we would be in violation of the law if we had loaned firearms that had not undergone the background check procedure," the museum said in a statement.

What should be the limit on ownership of guns?

What is the limit on the right to keep arms that should be considered acceptable?
For purposes of this poll, assume:
-An option includes all limitations above it excepting #1
-we are only considering purchase and ownership, not carry, smart technology or other gun control issues
-all restrictions will be retroactive as much as is possible
-any changes needed to the Constitution or SCOTUS rulings will happen to make these possible

Be brave! Vote your belief whether strict or loose...
At the point of your limit you believe further restrictions on guns will have no appreciable effect and actions other than gun control are needed to reduce crime and deaths

Edit> I did not include any voluntary options, such as buybacks, as 'voluntary' implies it not really being a restriction.

Are we the new Rome?

Let's compare

Hereditary emperors- Since 1988, our leader has come from one of three families and is conceivably true through at least 2024

Senate of the elite class concerned more about power than people- Congress

Rich merchants can buy influence- PACS

Political advancment via assassination- attack ad character assassination

Legions battle barbarians around the world- military battles terrorists around the world

Chariot races- NASCAR

Gladiator fights- WWE, NFL

We also share a decadent upper class with a politically disconnected lower class kept distracted by banal entertainment.

It was who said the mob controls Rome, is not the effort put into swaying public opinion just a high tech way of controlling the new mob?

Dear Santa, I want money and an eating disorder...

'Dear Santa' sign stirs up controversy at local department store
Katie Johnson
5:38 PM, Nov 10, 2014

A holiday decoration is making its rounds on social media, and it's not for a good reason.

A sign that reads "Dear Santa, this year please give me a big fat bank account and a slim body. Please don't mix those two up like you did last year. Thanks," was spotted in the girls' section of the Dillard's store at the Mall at Wellington Green last Friday night.

A mother of three spotted the sign while shopping with her kids. She posted it on her Facebook page and since then it's been shared nearly four hundred times.

"It's kinda funny because a woman who wants to wish for that should make it happen for herself," says Sally Stewart. She was shocked to hear about the incident. "What would a little girl want with a bank account? It gives the wrong message about having a slim body. That's not the message we want to give our kids," Stewart says.
Don't people in marketing ever take a moment and ask themselves, 'is this a good idea'?

UPDATE: Dillard's has now directed all stores to completely remove the sign from the sales floor.
So apparently this 'joke' was not a local store but spread throughout Dillard's 299 stores

Happy 239th Birthday

Semper Fi

Fess up-

Gun control and the election results

Did party policies and the actions on gun control, or lack thereof, over the last two years have an effect on the results of this election?

Gun control referendums

Since our Activism group hasn't been very active I will broach the subject here.

We all know WA has the I-59x proposals on the ballot. Are there any more referendums on guns that voters should know about?
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