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Name: Defacto7
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Hometown: Portland, OR
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Member since: Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:44 AM
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Humanist, Classical musician, Linux hack, Liberal, Cosmology enthusiast, Refuse resurrectionist, Living with you in purgatory

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In a lot of ways I would agree with your straightforward analysis.

But I neither think the OP's point of view nor a status quo point of view will suffice to reorder the balance of civilization to one that sustains peace. We can speed up a process or we can slow down a process, but the boat has already been torpedoed, we're just waiting for it to sink. Pessimistic it may be, but until we face the fact that the systems and methods of humans on this planet are not sustainable economically, politically or ecologically we will just be watching the horizon slowly rise.

Bill is a great communicator...

I have to admit, there is something I forget at times concerning believers, and Bill made this plain:

"I just want to remind us all there are billions of people in the world who are deeply religious, who get enriched by the wonderful sense of community by their religion," said Nye, who wore his trademark bow tie. "But these same people do not embrace the extraordinary view that the Earth is somehow only 6,000 years old."

It is easy for non-theists like myself to put believers into a smaller box than many deserve. As an atheist I am concerned more with education, human advancement, and survival of all life than I am with the beliefs themselves. In politics, many politicians have bowed to a few moneyed extremists and have taken a position of authority for the advancement of those extremists who hold a very narrow view of reality or use narrow views to control an uneducated population. With the explosion of that mindset it is easy to be narrow and mistake believers as being one entity rather than being diverse.

What we need is education based on reality so people can make decisions without being cowed into ignorance. If their view of the universe includes religious views that respect the rights of others to have their beliefs and the right to non-belief, then the world is all the more colorful for it.

Thanks Bill for helping me to keep that in perspective.

I rarely share my general opinion

because I will admit the CT value of it is pretty far out there. I am very science oriented but there are issues concerning all the perplexing, contradictory decisions by the bureaucrats and ultra wealthy in the world that sometimes leads me to less scientific or reasonable conclusions. In a nutshell, I think the powers that be know exactly what is happening to the environment, the masses, the old systems of government and civilization in general and I think there is reason in the madness. They are basically hoarding and preparing to protect the ultra few, hunker down and wait out the catastrophe they and their ancestors have dug us all into. It would serve their multi-generational ego to be the sole survivors, the remnants of humankind. Whether their progeny will be able to stick it out that long is hard to say; I say not. But in the end, the earth wins and humankind will have been a very short lived virus that finally purged itself from existence.

That's about as dismal as I can get... but viewing our direction at the moment anything else is almost too pretty. But I'll fight for life. There's no room in my insignificant existence for a complacent party time end.

"Both somehow manage to go on, though. "

I think that statement is the crux of modern complacency. Somehow? What does that mean? It means you don't have any idea and really don't care. The science, the analysis, those are as real as we can come to knowledge of our future. Add to that history... history of the planet, of humankind, of extinction periods. All of those bring us even closer to knowledge of the possibilities we can encounter.

I understand coming to grips with inevitability. Some of us do that through fatalism, denial, some through religion, some through simple fear. But some, like myself want to know as much as possible and take a stand. The outcome of that stand could be the delay of catastrophe or the elimination of it... or it may just be a few chiseled letters on a stone that warn a future generation of beings in 20,000 years of the fate of our civilization... and hopefully it will say more than just, "I was here".

"The most important job in the world is to raise the future generation. "

That's the fact. I had a career, then married and had kids. Now, after having had 20 some years of career time, I get to be a stay at home dad. My wife now has her career. As for me, I do the dishes, the floors, the laundry... yuk, it drives me crazy the repetitive stuff over and over. But then the kids need help with their homework, wow, I love it, I get to decide what to make for dinner and the kids help, I drive them to their activities and we talk the talk.. it's great and wonderful and awful and boring and repetitive and I wouldn't have it any other way.

One day, I'm folding clothes and come across a sweater that I have always enjoyed seeing my daughter wear but now it's too small. I look at it for a moment and just sit there... and I realize what an honor it is to be able to fold it for the last time before putting it away... because my daughter is growing up, and I have watched her and her brother, and have been able to influence them in ways only a stay at home can. There's a spiritual plain, existential joy of passing on my life to my children and their future.

Years before during my career, I would never have noticed.

It may be so.

You can't look history in the eye... and not flinch.

That's probably true in certain sense

that "We're actually living in one of the most peaceful times in global history.". But I think that depends a lot on a person's definition of peaceful. Peaceful by what means? could make a difference in perspective. Peaceful for whom also makes a difference. Stable peace is different from peace at a point in time. What properties are present that make peace a permanent fixture rather than an period of exception. Time is a strange word when talking about human history and it's nonsensical when comparing it to global history where we are not even a blip. Perspectives are important to survival now that there is a reasoning animal on the planet.

Humans have had their negative influence

on the earth in the last 5000 years for sure. Now there are more of us, we have advanced toys and we have less anonymity. But we still have the same reptilian survival needs turned greed, the same need to protect the clan turned nationalism, and a sense to sacrifice the weaker for the powerful turned politics. Those elements are not conducive to advancing humanity. I think we're devolving and we are now deep in that process. Whether that process can change directions or slow down all depends on our choices before our sociopathic side pulls us to the point of no return. In the end, there will be no end time, because the earth will always be the ultimate winner.

Air in Utah...

On Saturday, I was driving here in Salt Lake City to take my son to an appointment and found myself in the middle of a mass that was converging on the Capitol. It was a protest against the bad air quality in Utah and the policies and corporations that have allowed it. We joined. I have always been strong on air quality since I've lived here because it is so unusually bad here and I think most of it is unnecessary.

When we drove home, I noticed 4 people walking together from the protest holding signs that said things like, "Stop the pollution" and "fight for air quality". All four got into 4 different vehicles, 2 were over-sized gas guzzling pickup trucks.. you know the ones that are never used for work but just get driven around for show. The other 2 were RV 4 wheel drive tanks... 4 people, 4 vehicles, none of which could possibly get better than 15 MPG and probably less.

I'm kind of sick of hypocritical attitudes where people think standing for a cause means other people have to change but it doesn't mean they themselves actually have to change their own lifestyle. If we are going to make a point that can change industrial practices, cause governments and the public to change their wasteful and selfish habits that choke the inhabitants of this planet... then it starts here and now, this minute... with us, ourselves, me.

On a side note... tomorrow, I'm going to plan and install an air quality cam on the roof of a building I have access to and point it at the beautiful Wasatch range that I could not even see today because of the horrific air quality. I don't know if I can get it running tomorrow or not but when it is running, I'll drop a link on DU so you can see it as it happens. Information is good.

BTW, I drive a VW... rated 42Mpg but I'm getting 50 on the highway, diesel, hoping to use old fry oil soon. I just put my Hybrid Honda to eternal rest last month but removed the hybrid battery to add to my solar panel storage. We walk, We have bicycles.

I appreciate your explanation.

But I still have to separate the human responsibility for mankind element from the "having a good job and money" element. I see no correlation between the two. Studies about productivity and job satisfaction comparisons don't deal with how we treat the less advantaged among us or moral responsibility, they deal with personal wants, satisfaction and goals. Actually more recent studies show that goal orientation is far more productive in the workplace than money, but that is a digression from my point. People don't forget a child in a wheelchair because of their job satisfaction, they overlook the disadvantaged among us because of irresponsibility and lack of compassion. Mistakes happen, but some mistakes take on the mantle of pure selfishness and it costs us out integrity. The most moneyed and job secure make those same mistakes every day.
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