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Fact check: Trump's false claim that Democrats threatened Ukraine aid
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/fact-check-trump-s-false-claim-democrats-threatened-ukraine-aid-n1059156
Trump and Rep. Devin Nunes have said Democrats did the exact same thing Trump is accused of doing: pressuring Ukraine to investigate political rivals.
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Rep. Nunes attempts to frame whistleblower as 'fake news, 'information warfare'
Sept. 26, 2019, 5:05 PM CDT
By Jane C. Timm
President Donald Trump and his allies, amid fallout from the whistleblower complaint alleging he abused the power of his office for political gain, have attempted to turn the tables on Democrats, accusing them of their own Ukraine scandal.
Trump, who faces an impeachment inquiry, floated the claim in a news conference Wednesday, saying that Democrats "threatened" Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy "if he didn't do things." Rep. Devin Nunes, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee and a fierce defender of the president, made a similar point Thursday during the committee's hearing with the acting director of national intelligence.
"Today, they accused the president of pressuring Ukrainians to take actions that would help himself or hurt his political opponents. Yet there are numerous examples of Democrats doing the exact same thing,” the California Republican said.
Here are a handful of claims from Trump and Nunes, and the facts.
Claim: Democratic senators threatened Ukraine's aid
"And it got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez, Richard Durbin, and Patrick Leahy wrote a letter to Ukraine's prosecutor general expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were "critical." In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake and that if they didn’t do the right thing, they wouldn’t get any assistance. Gee, doesn’t that sound familiar? Doesn’t that sound familiar?" Trump said Wednesday.
This is false — the senators did not imply anything of the sort.
In May 2018, Democratic Sens. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Dick Durbin of Illinois and Patrick Leahy of Vermont wrote a letter to the top Ukrainian prosecutor at the time expressing concern over media reports that his office was "freezing" investigations in order to limit their cooperation with special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe for fear of angering Trump...............................................
Nowhere in the letter do the Democratic senators tie their support for the Congress-approved aid Ukraine receives to the reopening of various probes.
Read the letter here..........................
Jake Tapper calls out Rep. Jim Jordan over his baseless Hunter Biden accusations:...
Great interview and good job by Tapper. My guess is that Gym has his earplugs in tightly.
Rob Gorski @The_Autism_Dad
OMG.. @jaketapper
wins the internet today. He called @Jim_Jordan
on to the carpet Nad points out his outrageous hypocrisy...
Must watch..
☺
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Couldn't happen to a more disgusting person..
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Blake Jones
@BlakeThought
· 3h
Jake Tapper calls out Rep. Jim Jordan over his baseless Hunter Biden accusations: "It's facts and I would think that somebody who's been accused of things in that last year or two would be more sensitive about throwing out wild allegations against people."
https://twitter.com/The_Autism_Dad/status/1178306180319449089?s=20
Ted Lieu: Why can't Stephen Miller answer questions from Chris Wallace? Because FACTS. It is illega
Why?? because Miller is a #cruel #TrumpSwamp creature to say the least
Why can't Stephen Miller answer questions from Chris Wallace? Because FACTS.
It is illegal & unAmerican for @POTUS
to solicit a foreign power to help his re-election campaign, and to use private lawyers (and maybe Barr) to pressure Ukraine. Trump also blocked aid to Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1178337502148481024?s=20
SNL" Everybody knows that trump is going to try to make Mike Pence take the fall...even #Penceknows
Everybody knows that trump is going to try to make Mike Pence take the fall...even Pence knows it.
https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1178153100005298176?s=20
@RudyGiuliani: I appeal to honest and fair minded Democrats to realize that "equal treatment under
This is NOT satire!!
@RudyGiuliani
I appeal to honest and fair minded Democrats to realize that “equal treatment under law” is necessary for domestic tranquillity.We are all Americans.The differing treatment by media and law enforcement for Trumps vs. Bidens and Clintons is a real problem for all of us to solve.
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1178106375957811200?s=20
https://twitter.com/LinDesigns111/status/1178280078389792769?s=20
https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1178122518873432065?s=20
https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1178147998351724544?s=20
https://twitter.com/NormOrnstein/status/1178167747852865536?s=20
https://twitter.com/DervishWaking/status/1178107749512691713?s=20
Here is Trump's approval rating in all 50 states in EC format, per the latest @Civiqs ' tracking p
WI,, MI, (and Florida--slowing edging toward the blue) are a toss up at this point--
I know, I know it is early, We have to keep up the ground work and keep talking to others that might be leaning toward the Dems this time around.
Here is Trump's approval rating in all 50 states in EC format, per the latest @Civiqs
' tracking poll.
AZ: -7, CO: -15, FL: -1, GA: -5, IA: -3, ME: -14, MI: -8, MN: -15, NV: -20, NH: -20, NC: -5, PA: -10, VA: -13, WI: -6
AK: +4, KS: +5, OH: +3, SC: +5, TX: +1, UT: +4
https://twitter.com/Politidope/status/1178110434244792320?s=20
George Conway responds to Lindsey Grahams claim that evidence against Trump is hearsay...........
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1177995935332409344?s=20
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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4h
... under Rule 804(b)(3)‘ s exception to the hearsay rule for statements against penal or other interest;
* To the extent Trump was involved in a criminal conspiracy with... @RudyGiuliani
, Giuliani’s statements are also admissible against Trump and ...
George Conway
@gtconway3d
... are not hearsay under Rule 801(d)(2)(E);
* The memorandum of Trump’s call with Zelensky is admissible under as many as four separate exceptions to the hearsay rule—namely, Rules 803(1) (present sense impression), 803(5) (recorded recollection), 803(6) (record of a ...
12:18 PM · Sep 28, 2019 from Princeton Junction, NJ·Twitter for iPad
George Conway @gtconway3d
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4h
Replying to
@gtconway3d
... regularly conducted activity), and 803(8) (record of a public office).
* In any event, you can be indicted in this country on the basis of hearsay. It happens all the time. And an impeachment is the consitutional equivalent of an indictment. So it follows that the ...
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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4h
... House can consider hearsay in deciding whether to begin an impeachment inquiry, just as prosecutors can consider hearsay in deciding whether to convene a grand jury.
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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4h
So your argument, Senator, is pure garbage, even assuming that the rules of evidence apply in the impeachment process.
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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4h
But that assumption is trash, too. The hearsay rule needn’t apply even in a Senate trial:
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SavageHat
@Popehat
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Replying to @LindseyGrahamSC
Dear Senator Graham:
Senate rules call for the use of hearsay in impeachment, in that committees hear the testimony and report back to the full Senate. It even went to the Supreme Court!
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/506/224/
George Conway
@gtconway3d
·
3h
In the President Clinton’s trial in 1998, testimony wasn’t even taken before a committee, in contrast to the Walter Nixon trial that @popehat
mentions; it was taken in lawyers’ offices (as Senator Graham should recall, since he was a House manager in that trial).
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1177997381666779137?s=20
https://twitter.com/DonDCon/status/1178012195596230659?s=20
https://twitter.com/Alexa888444/status/1178037999088672768?s=20
https://twitter.com/UhOhFinellio/status/1178035983914323969?s=20
Editorial: President Trump needs to step down By Hearst Connecticut Media Editorial Board
Editorial: President Trump needs to step down
By Hearst Connecticut Media Editorial Board Updated 11:43 pm EDT, Friday, September 27, 2019
https://www.ctpost.com/opinion/article/Editorial-President-Trump-needs-to-step-down-14467704.php
Even given the incredibly fast pace of news in the Trump era, the speed with which the Ukraine scandal has moved from vague complaint to impeachable offense has been stunning. Though we’re still at the beginning of the process, there is already a mountain of evidence implicating President Donald Trump with conduct far outside the accepted norms of a democratic leader.
The most damning evidence came from the president himself. It centers around a phone call with the president of Ukraine in which Trump raises the issue of investigating the son of presidential hopeful Joe Biden, and the implication of Trump’s words is clear as day. He asks for an investigation that would benefit him politically and has nothing to do with legitimate U.S. interests, and he brings it up repeatedly, including immediately upon the Ukrainian president mentioning the need for U.S. security aid.
This is an impeachable offense. Republicans spent Wednesday arguing there was no explicit quid pro quo, but there is seemingly no line the president can cross that would inspire them to put the public good ahead of politics. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, joined by the entirety of Connecticut’s congressional delegation, has called for impeachment proceedings, and that process must now begin in earnest.
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The Boston Globe: Forget impeachment. Donald Trump needs to resign-Few has asked Trump to do so!!
He has a point. It was save us a lot of time and money and angst. But I do not think he will.
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
Donald Trump needs to resign - The Boston Globe
Forget impeachment. Donald Trump needs to resign
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2019/09/27/forget-impeachment-trump-needs-resign/4yzQt3WQdVcATJxXTO1nPP/story.html
By Michael A. Cohen,September 27, 2019, 7:24 p.m.
Surprisingly few elected officials have called on President Trump to resign.
Surprisingly few elected officials have called on President Trump to resign.Drew Angerer/Getty Images/Getty Images
THE VISCERAL REACTION I had to the summary of President Trump’s phone call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky was that he should resign the presidency. So obvious and brazen was the abuse of presidential power; so evident was Trump’s concern only for his own political interests; and so lacking was any consideration of the national interest.
But there are few in politics who seem to share this view. Aside from former Texas congressman and presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke, it’s hard to find any elected official — Democrat or Republican — who has called on Trump to step down.
As the historian Rick Perlstein, author of “The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan,” pointed out to me, in the weeks and months after the Saturday Night Massacre in October 1973, prominent members of Congress from both parties called on President Nixon to resign, including Senator Walter Mondale, a Minnesota Democrat, and Senator Edward Brooke, a Massachusetts Republican. Time magazine made the same demand in its first-ever editorial.
After the release of the “smoking gun” tape that showed Nixon had participated in a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice, Republican senators, led by Barry Goldwater, solemnly trekked to the White House to tell Nixon he must relinquish the presidency.............................................
In 1998, when the Starr Report was released with its exhaustive tale of President Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, 115 newspapers penned editorials calling on Clinton to resign. This week, just a couple of editorial boards have made a similar demand of Trump..................................
In 1998, when the Starr Report was released with its exhaustive tale of President Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, 115 newspapers penned editorials calling on Clinton to resign. This week, just a couple of editorial boards have made a similar demand of Trump..............................
https://twitter.com/windyrising/status/1178041824902037505?s=20
Surprisingly few elected officials have called on President Trump to resign.
Surprisingly few elected officials have called on President Trump to resign.Drew Angerer/Getty Images/Getty Images
Flashback for @LindseyGrahamSC 👋🏼 Hope you enjoy reminiscing after your golf game with the Traitor
Lindsey is so deep in Trumps stinking Swamp, he can not crawl out anymore.
https://twitter.com/artmyoldfriend/status/1178005772518731776?s=20
Flashback for @LindseyGrahamSC
👋🏼
Hope you enjoy reminiscing after your golf game with the Traitor in Chief!
Darn pesky reminders, amirite?
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https://twitter.com/KRBaldridge/status/1178005110837915649?s=20
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