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Bernie to Hillary-Challenge Accepted with transcipts! Twitter hashtag #AmericaTogether

Well, now what Hillary? You challenged Bernie on releasing his transcripts and he has. Now show us YOURS!
Let's see what ya got! You probably shouldn't call out the most honest guy in politics.
See hashtag #AmericaTogether

Have fun Hillary biting off WAY MORE than you can chew.

My take? #FeelTheBern and welcome to reality.

You cite a lot of things here but you fail to realize that Hillary is damaged goods and sorry but nobody wants a Samsonite backed up travel bag filled with old bones as President. Why do you think she is seen as not being trustworthy by the majority of American's? There's a reason for that you know.

You say Bernie has no sweeping reform and such but can you cite something Hillary has done please? Because guess what? You can't. Meanwhile are you aware that Bernie is called "The Amendment King"?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/

You cite Bernie not getting single payer passed in VT like it's some huge thing but Bernie works in DC, he isn't on the state level. When was the last time a senator/congressman who served in DC helped to pass a local state issue? They have no vote. Yet you act like Bernie did. Sorry but how about "NOPE."

Yet remind us again who has changed her mind on every single issue. Was that Bernie? No it was Hillary and yet you want to give her a free pass on these things. Really? Allow me to remind you.










But Bernie is the big bad guy, right? Oh? Let's take a good look at how Bernie and Hillary voted whee they both served at the same shall we? A side by side comparison and that is where the clarity lies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html





You cite some speel about Bernie hasn't revealed anything when it comes to healthcare. I will cite you this and say that Hillary's plan leaves millions to die. Literally. In fact, what was it you and so many so called "Dems" have been fighting for years and screaming about how people are dying? It's ironic that Indy's like myself seem to be more of a Democrat than many Hillary supporters. You guys repeat RW talking points, verbatim, that sounds like the Republicans talking against the ACA. I fully expect the whole death panel discussion to start happening at any second.




Bernie has constantly based the establishment and Obama? Can you tell us please where this so called "constant bashing" is taking place? Ya Bernie called out Obama on some shitty things he did like TPP and? What's your point. Politicians should be held accountable, they serve us and us only. That is how Democracy and Freedom Of Speech works. Sorry but we're sick and tired of this whole crap of "get in line and say nothing" junk. No, we've had enough and people on BOTH SIDES are tired of it when our politicians are bought and sold by special interest like a commodity and the American people are whored out for "The establishment" just like the 89 Dems who voted to gut SNAP http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps
But you don't want to hear that do you? Of course not. Go look at that list. Who do you see?



You mention minority support but remind us who was the worst at that and who hurt millions of minorities? Bill Clinton's welfare reform which Hillary staunchly defended. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

But you don't want to hear that do you?



I find it hilarious that you say this;
4. Sanders focus is narrow, he doesn't make any qualms about it. A total lack of foreign policy INTEREST ... not just experience... he isn't even interested... not by the least bit. I'm thinking what else is Sanders not interested in in regards to governing this historically powerful country?

Tell us please, who well versed was Obama in that area when he ran for POTUS? We'll wait.
Meanwhile Hillary has horrible judgement. Who voted for Iraq and who didn't?
Argument over.

Now let's look at this.
Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
on and on..........................


Sorry but the coronation has been cancelled and we're not interested in a weathervane who flip flops on everything.



I switched from Indy to Dem & I lean Green/Justice Party

And the only and I mean ONLY reason I did was to caucus for Bernie.
That is it. Period.

Will I stick around? Honestly, I don't know because the Dem party right now has really turned me off a lot. Bernie is growing the party, Hillary isn't and her supporters wave around some flag about how "Bernie isn't really a Dem" and guess what, neither am I and neither are millions of others BUT we are voting for the guy who is running for the Democratic nomination.

Have I felt welcome? No, honestly I haven't and I see all this bullshit pulled by the DNC and honestly, I have not seen one single reason WHY I should stick around.

I am far left and I am well aware of that BUT I believe things like education, health care, shelter and food are human rights. Is that wrong? IMHO no it isn't. Instead of giving companies like Walmart tax breaks, we should take them higher and earn enough revenue to build housing for the needy and poor. We could feed the whole country if we wanted to but nobody has the balls to undertake that initiative.

Bernie though is a step in that direction, a step in the direction that truly gives people who have less a fighting chance.
I am glad I am supporting the correct candidate in this election who actually gives a damn about others because Hillary doesn't and honestly on this board, I see many of her supporters don't either. They cry about themselves; "taxes", "college shouldn't be free", etc etc. If I wanted to support Ann Romney I would have voted for Mitt in the last election.

The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Well, this is damn interesting!
Let's do a head to head comparison of where the candidates were when both were in the Senate.
This is but a sample....there is more at the link.

The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html

............In many of the cases in which she differed with Mr. Sanders, who represents Vermont and is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton went with the crowd. She voted with an overwhelming majority of her colleagues, including Republicans. Her positions on the votes that differed from Mr. Sanders represented policy differences, but they may have also reflected political calculations by Mrs. Clinton, who was preparing for a presidential run in 2008.
The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions.






YouTube will be the downfall of Hillary

Literally.
There is so much stuff on there about Hillary, in her own WORDS and then some which will have a dramatic effect on her campaign. The internet NEVER forgets and what is posted online stays online forever.

Right now, this very second, there are tons of people looking up and watching clips of Hillary. Think about it. There is no other source anywhere that allows one to access everything you can imagine from a candidates past. When it comes to Hillary, the dirty laundry will be televised. Bernie on the other hand? You find videos of him fighting for American's. Hardly a thing in negative light.

In the age of cord cutting and ROKU's, this will be have a dramatic impact on things.

Here are a few gems that people may not know about.

Immigration. OUCH!



This one is just damming




Death penalty



Arms deals


Berniebros is a rehash from 2008

and it failed miserably then and will continue to do so.

Let's quit the bullshit how Hillary is a progressive. She is NOT.

Hillary isn't a progressive.
You want a list?
I shall provide it.

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
Bankruptcy bill
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
David Brock
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
on and on..........................

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record
In fact, in three seperate bills, Hillary broke with democrats to vote in favor of the use of this chemical in US fuel.

Hillary broke with Democrats against ensuring the workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site would not receive life insurance, health and life insurance benefits when their environmental work was terminated by the republican majority.


Hillary broke ranks with the democrats and voted with the majority of republicans to eliminate the requirement of reusable fuel in US gasoline in 2004.


Hillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.


To authorize the State of Virginia to petition for authorization to conduct natural gas exploration and drilling activities in the coastal zone of the State.
Hillary didn't vote




You want more? Ok let's go here.

Hillary outright defended Bill's welfare reform which hurt millions of poor people. Flat out. If that's progressive, FDR had a sex change and now is Margaret Thatcher.

Hillary Clinton often boasts about helping children, but she betrayed them as First Lady
During the debate, Clinton touted her years at the Children's Defense Fund. Here's the truth she didn't talk about

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/




The only reason and I mean THE ONLY REASON people and special interests donate to campaigns is because they represent them. It doesn't take a mental heavyweight to figure this out. It also don't take a genius to figure out that Hillary's biggest donors are comprised of a few choice areas;

Wall Street
Big Banks
Private prison industry
Big Pharma.
Big military


It is what it is but one thing is for sure, she is NO progressive.

Oh?

Let's talk.

Tell us please where Bernie isn't progressive? Go ahead. I'm betting you'll say guns won't you. Not sure if you're aware that he voted for the AWB in the 80s but go ahead.

Hillary isn't a progressive.
You want a list?
I shall provide it.

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
on and on..........................

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record
In fact, in three seperate bills, Hillary broke with democrats to vote in favor of the use of this chemical in US fuel.

Hillary broke with Democrats against ensuring the workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site would not receive life insurance, health and life insurance benefits when their environmental work was terminated by the republican majority.


Hillary broke ranks with the democrats and voted with the majority of republicans to eliminate the requirement of reusable fuel in US gasoline in 2004.


Hillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.


To authorize the State of Virginia to petition for authorization to conduct natural gas exploration and drilling activities in the coastal zone of the State.
Hillary didn't vote


That's your candidate. OWN IT.

Why America dislikes & doesn't trust Hillary Clinton

I'm not going to beat around the bush here with this but this has to be said.

We have a candidate right now who will more than likely lose in a GE. Straight up. According to polling, Hillary loses to both Rubio and to Cruz.




Now before the spin begins "polls right now mean nothing", maybe you should try and look at this poll because NOBODY has ever been elected who has a negative rating, EVER.



And do you know why that is? It's a new age folks and the entire world is at your fingertips. We can go to youtube and google and find out everything about everybody. Literally. Let's face it, no other candidate has switched stances as much as Hillary has. You can literally write a laundry list on every single issue and she has. Name one she hasn't expect taking money from Wall Street. Of course people don't want to see that while she's busy telling Wall Street to "knock it off" in Iowa she skipped town to meet with them http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-philadelphia-218311

HORSESHIT!


Wake up people! When I can go to youtube and find a video of a 13 minute long video of Hillary Clinton lying through her teeth on every single damn thing, even when she debated Obama during 2007, she is damaged goods!
This is why so many distrust her and why she will LOSE a general election!




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