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The Pro-Life Crowd Explained

DAVE BARNHART JUNE 25 2018

THE UNBORN ARE A CONVENIENT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO ADVOCATE FOR. THEY NEVER MAKE DEMANDS OF YOU. THEY ARE MORALLY UNCOMPLICATED UNLIKE THE INCARCERATED ADDICTED OR THE CHRONICALLY POOR. THEY DON'T RESENT YOUR CONDESCENSION OR COMPLAIN THAT YOU ARE NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT. UNLIKE WIDOWS THEY DON'T ASK YOU TO QUESTION PATRIARCHY. UNLIKE ORPHANS THEY DON'T NEED MONEY EDUCATION OR CHILDCARE. UNLIKE ALIENS THEY DON'T BRING ALL THAT RACIAL CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS BAGGAGE THAT YOU DISLIKE. THEY ALLOW YOU TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF WITHOUT ANY WORK AT CREATING OR MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIPS AND WHEN THEY ARE BORN YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY CEASE TO BE UNBORN. IT'S ALMOST AS IF BY BEING BORN THEY HAVE DIED TO YOU. YOU CAN LOVE THE UNBORN AND ADVOCATE FOR THEM WITHOUT SUBSTANTIALLY CHALLENGING YOUR OWN WEALTH POWER OR PRIVILEGE. WITHOUT RE-IMAGINING SOCIAL STRUCTURES APOLOGIZING OR MAKING REPARATIONS TO ANYONE. THEY ARE IN SHORT THE PERFECT PEOPLE TO LOVE IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM YOU LOVE JESUS BUT ACTUALLY DISLIKE PEOPLE WHO BREATHE. PRISONERS? IMMIGRANTS? THE SICK? THE POOR? WIDOWS? ORPHANS? ALL THE GROUPS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE? THEY ALL GET THROWN UNDER THE BUS FOR THE UNBORN.

The MAGA Telephone Game of Facts

I had a funeral to attend this past week out of state. That meant that I would be deep in the heart of rural MAGA-land once again. I stayed with my favorite sister and her husband as I have done for years. I have known them as a couple since I was about 15. My wife and I have spent more time with them than any other people in my family. I went off to college and they stayed pretty much in the same area their entire lives. One a high graduate and one a high school dropout (pregnant at 17).

The funeral was for my oldest siblings wife who died of COPD - God bless her soul. She was a good person and we wanted to be there to support my brother who I rarely get to see. I like him very much but he is a very private person. He distanced himself from the family many years ago. Good person though.

After spending about 48 hours with my sister and her husband, my wife and I asked to be dropped off at the airport several hours early ostensibly so that they would have the rest of their day free as they had been our main source of transportation. However, the real reason for the early drop off was because we realized at one point that we no longer knew who they were. It wasn't just their usual fighting and bickering and yelling at each other over absolutely nothing, it was something entirely manufactured by Fox News and their network of fellow MAGA adherents. I slowly realized that there was something different going on this time.

Knowing that we were no Trump supporters in any way, my brother-in-law would inevitably bring something up like Mike Lindell and how he had all the proof that the election was rigged and that Trump was going to be reinstated. When I would try to explain that Lindell's own IT "expert" said that his data was gibberish, he would get so angry and turn red and scream to the point that I thought his heart would give out. Knowing his heart problems, I would just say to him that he was 100% right and I was 100% wrong just to calm him down. Not worth killing him over this nonsense.

While talking to him and my sister I realized something. They are literally playing the telephone game with facts. One MAGA supporters hears a story on Fox or from a friend and passes it along to the next friend and so on until what you get in the end is nothing like the original lie but has grown into a Frankenstein lie that can't be debunked because it is so far from reality.

When he told me that Mike Lindell was offering a million dollars for proof of election fraud, I thought wait a minute, wasn't it 5 million dollars and wasn't it for anyone that could disprove his allegations of voter fraud and didn't Lindell already withdraw that offer? You can see how the telephone game works with these people. You have to correct their talking points before you can even dispute them with actual facts. That's way too many layers for these people. I doubt that I will ever visit these relative a gain. I will drift away and maybe attend their funeral in the near future. I really can't say at this point.


Happy Trump Reinstatement Day Everyone!! Friday the 13th is his lucky day.

How will you be celebrating the return of the worst president in U.S. history? Gifts associated with the holiday include: One MyPillow, an insurrection t-shirts with a special Auschwitz commemoration on the back, a scholarship to Trump University, and of course a one night stay at Mar-a-Lago with a complimentary one-way flight on Trump Airlines (find your own way home).

Come on folks. Raise a glass to authoritarianism.

My spouse and I both retired and now life truly begins

No congratulations necessary. We've both heard that plenty this past week. We also have been asked over and over what we plan to do with all that free time. It's a tougher question than it sounds. Certainly travel, write, read, and all those other leisure activities are on the menu but what will keep us interested long-term. We're both relatively young. We're both healthy. We are fortunate enough to have some means to retire on.

The only answer that makes any sense is to give back to our community. Volunteering, teaching, helping others less fortunate, and making the world a little kinder with both our hands and our hearts. It's kind of selfish of us because there is nothing that makes you feel better about yourself than helping others. Giving is it's own reward as they say. And I have always found this to be true.

So I guess the short answer regarding our retirement plans is that we're going to be selfish. With any luck, very, very selfish.

I would ask Liz Cheney who she voted for in 2016 and 2020.

I'm pretty certain that she voted for the same guy that had her thrown out of her leadership position. Hard to feel sorry for her and her 90% voting record with Trump, her abandoning of her gay sister, and not voting for the COVID relieve bill. Liz Cheney is NOT a good person just because she suddenly developed a selective conscience. Not all is forgiven Liz.

When I see the combined country of Israelistine, I will believe peace is possible.

Until then, the killing will never stop. There will be conflict until both sides learn to share. Any parent knows this. Why can't adults on both sides figure this out?

Billionaires increased their wealth by 50% during the pandemic.

Are pandemics the new wealth stream for the elites going forward?

Fellow Americans spiraling downward clinging to the irrational

It is not unusual for many of us find it hard to understand Trump supporters. We don't understand their motivations, their behaviors, their beliefs, or what drives some of them to actually mount an insurrection. I think we often just assume that they are all a bunch of racists and white supremacist sympathizers with poor educations and a perverse interpretation of Christianity. Many of us have close relatives, friends, and neighbors that seem to have changed overnight into something we simply can't recognize anymore. I think that the real situation is just more complicated than we might assume. I gained a little insight into one of these people recently and I think it would help if we all understood a little bit more about the individuals that find themselves in these dark places.

My wife has a massage therapist that she hasn't seen in quite a while because of the pandemic. Since we are both fully vaccinated and she had some gift certificates to use up, she made an appoint to see her old therapist recently. It was to say the least, a very bizarre experience and certainly the last time she will ever go near this therapist.

She had completely changed over the course of the year to someone unrecognizable from her previous self. Mind you, this woman was a gifted massage therapist. She wasn't highly educated but had a gift for her profession that could not be taught in any school. She had always been kind of "New-Age-ish" but in a positive kind of way that made you chuckle but you put up with it because she was so damn gifted at her craft. An example of this was that she could simply look at an elbow and say, "You've had damage to this joint", when it was something that had happened decades before. She also had a very positive energy that infected everyone around her.

During my wife's visit, this therapist made it clear that she was not vaccinated for COVID and that she was trying to save others from the evils of vaccination. She had read some stuff on the internet that vaccinated people shed spike proteins and could affect non-vaccinated people and that she herself could feel the negative effects of being too close to vaccinated people. She talked about every conspiracy theory out there endlessly throughout the session and admitted that she had gone down some pretty dark rabbit holes over the past year. She was so negative and consumed by thoughts of evil corporations and the dangers of people like my wife that had been vaccinated that her business was failing through neglect and paranoia. What difference a year had made.

All she kept saying was that she wanted to help people because she felt so sorry for them because they were some uninformed. She never questioned her own beliefs for a moment. It was all about how others needed to realize how misguided they were. Going down a few dark rabbit holes had taught her nothing. She was convinced that she was saving the world through her efforts to inform them of their misguided beliefs. She had become an impenetrable brick wall.

She also had related an incident that someone had recorded and she admitted that she had gone off the deep end in that moment. I think it was a mental breakdown that she was describing. She was damaged and receding into herself. It is hard to watch someone with such a natural gift for healing wither and become a shell of her former self all because of these contemptible purveyors of hate and division. She was a genuinely good person that was bouncing through life healing others with her gifts and now she is fast receding into a dark corner of the Right-wing conspiracy echo chamber and pushing any sense of reality to the furthest reaches of her mind.

This is what these people are costing all of us. So sad.

Need advice about where to retire. Pacific Northwest specifically.

Here's our situation. Both my spouse and myself are academics retiring at the end of May. We currently live in the Midwest but spent 9 years on the west coast in California in the late eighties and early nineties. A number of our friends and two of our kids live in the Pacific Northwest. We are considering anywhere from Northern California to British Columbia as possible places to retire. We will start in the Seattle/Tacoma area for the first year or so and look around the area for a good location to eventually settle.

We'd like start in a nice urban area with activities such as art galleries, coffee shops, parks, community gardens, interesting city life, and volunteer opportunities. Money is not an issue for us but we kind of dislike the wealthy snobs so we are looking at a more gritty urban area with a mix of interesting people.

Volunteering is going to be a huge part of our retirement plan and we are retiring fairly young so we have many years to give back to a community. Are there any neighborhoods in the Seattle/Tacoma area or even some of the places around the western side of the Sound that you are familiar with that we might check out this summer while we are visiting?

Thank you for your advice in advance.

Every Republican I hear from seems to have an issue with accountability.

It's as if they don't want to bother taking any responsibility for anything they say or do. My spouse has a Republican boss. This boss has zero interest in anything that even smells like accountability. This pattern is certainly all over the Republicans in congress. They seem to think anything they want to do is just fine and if there are any consequences for their behaviors, it must be some liberal plot to destroy them.

Is it some kind of rule that to be a Republican, you have to rid yourself of any type of personal responsibility? They do love the word freedom. They simply ignore that part of freedom that deals with personal responsibility and accountability. You can't have true freedom without a good measure of responsibility and accountability in any social setting. Children are taught this at a young age. You learn this in just about any school setting. Do these people come with an anti-accountability filter?

I feel as if the Republicans in America are the Neanderthals and the rest of us are Cro-Magnon. They are simply a evolutionary dead end and are doomed to extinction through the process of natural selection. They are even too dumb to believe in evolutionary theory. I won't miss them.

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