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about those lawsuits I mentioned...

I just self-deleted a comment I made about actions by individual members of the military who don't think the current president is, in fact, legally holding the office.

I indicated that some people in the military had sued to have orders overturned during the Obama Administraton. They'd swallowed the birther line and didn't think Obama was qualified for office.

Turns out I was dealing with two lapses of memory.

First - I was remembering things that actually happened, but misremembered the details. A handful of people in the military did, indeed, go to federal court regarding their orders, but their efforts were intended more to force Obama to release his birth certificate than to have the orders themselves overturned. Some of these people subsequently disobeyed orders and were court-martialed.

One of them, Terry Lakin, later wrote a book all about his highfalutin' ideals - the ones that shared a Leavenworth cell with him. There are efforts afoot to have him pardoned by Trump.

Second - that I saw lots of news articles at the time led me to misremember the magnitude of the phenomenon. I never thought it was widespread, but I thought it was around a dozen or so. It was probably fewer than that.


All that said - I think things may be different this time around. The notion that Trump actually won is, arguably, more mainstream in the political right than birtherism ever was. (Which should scare the shit out of everyone, because way too many people bought into birtherism.). I do NOT expect a massive mutiny, but the number of servicemen and servicewomen who try to weasel out of responsibilities on the bullshit theory that Biden shouldn't be president may be more than a dozen.

So - apologies for the lapses of memory, but I still think we should keep our eyes on the news for this.

Is it too soon

to start calling him One-Term Donnie?

We're stuck with him being called "president" pretty much forever, and it's definitely too early for "inmate," so we gotta come up with something appropriate.

so...what happens on Inauguration Day?

Assuming Biden is declared the winner and Trump refuses to concede, what would actually happen in the White House?

Trump would no longer be president. He would no longer be CIC of the armed forces. He would no longer have access to the nuclear codes. He wouldn't be able to act as president, and I'm not really worried that half of Congress would try to pretend otherwise.

But Trump would still have Secret Service protection. Would they be obliged to prevent his forced removal from the White House if he decides he's not leaving? Could they stop someone from literally dragging his ass out the door if he decides not to cooperate?

What agency would actually remove him? Secret Service? Federal marshalls? DC police? Military? Biden and Harris themselves? I'd be in favor of a bunch of half-starved wolverines, but that's just me.

I assume Biden could set up somewhere while Trump's filth is washed from the White House, but how long could that take?

just curious.

Edited to add - My concern is not whether there will be confusion over who the president is. If Biden wins, he'll be the president at noon on January 20. Trump's concession is a nonissue. I'm not worried that Congress or the military, or parts of either, would try to act as though Trump is still preident - I'm confident they won't. But I don't really see him slinking away. My worry is that his removal from the Oval Office would be under less than orderly conditions.

I'm about to give up.

A few points added on edit:

- I live in a fairly progressive community. Being surrounded by red hatters isn't an issue to me - the great majority of people where I live, and in my profession, would rather eat a live tarantula than vote for Trump.

- I'm increasingly confident that Biden will win the presidency. But it's not going to make a difference as long as McConnell is in charge of the Senate. There won't be real accountability for those who committed crimes in the Trump administration. Biden can probably reverse some of Trump's executive orders, but he'll never get to appoint someone to the Supreme Court. His agenda will die of starvation in Senate committees. And because nothing will get done, Americans will vote for a Republican in 2024.

- Even worse, we can't claim that Trump is being thrown out in disgrace. He may have lost the popular vote, but the margin is a lot narrower than it should have been. This means we don't just have to worry about his rabid core of dead enders - it's almost half of the country's population.


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I'm serious.

This election should have been a blowout. That it wasn't tells me that too many people looked at someone with a long history of moderate politics in government, someone who accepts physical reality, and decided that a lying bigoted loudmouth with artificial skin color and a lengthy record of denying what everyone can plainly see would be a better president. Even after four years of demonstrable failure and national embarrassment.

I'm tired to death of being told that I don't understand rural America, or coal miners, or evangelicals, or any other class of people who voted for Trump. I grew up in a working class family, I used to be a very serious Roman Catholic, I have a degree in geology, and I live in the upper midwest. And way beyond that, I've listened to people who voted for Trump ad nauseam. I think I've got a perfectly good understanding of such people.

The problem is that these people don't understand us. And because we're told to respect all sides (as if there's more than one legitimate side), and because there's an intricate media infrastructure that both feeds and gets fed by a market dedicated to membership in a group of people who know "the truth" and hold the key to being a "real American," getting them to even be willing to understand us is a lost cause.

This is why I'm repeatedly told that I want to take everyone's guns, shove socialized medicine down everyone's throats, and take everyone's hard-earned money. Which I don't. Which no Democrat does.

Solving a problem doesn't work if half of the people needed to find a solution don't think there's a problem in the first place.

It's not going to get better.

Next opportunity to get a job outside the US, I'm taking it.



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