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5 Examples of Indonesia’s Turn to Conservative Islam

Worldwide, Islam does not seem to be evolving in a tolerant direction.

Five Examples of Indonesia’s Turn to Conservative Islam

Indonesia has had a tradition of moderate Islam in a culture influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism. But the tenor has changed in recent years, with conservative Muslims and hard-line groups gaining traction in pushing for stricter moral laws and social norms. Here are some examples that show the country’s turn to conservative Islam.

1 Reviving Efforts to Criminalize Cohabitation of Unmarried Couples

Indonesia considered criminalizing cohabitation and sex among singles in early 2013. The idea fizzled at the time, but recently proponents revived the effort, asking the Supreme Court for a constitutional prohibition. Also this year, religious hard-liners staged antigay rallies, and the government threatened to block websites it says promote lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender lifestyles.

2 Aceh Province Passes Stricter Islamic Laws
In 2014, the province of Aceh passed a stricter Islamic code, expanding caning punishments to adultery, homosexual acts and public displays of affection, and extending Shariah law to non-Muslims.

3 Islamic Parties Push to Ban Sale of Alcohol
Indonesia banned the sale of alcoholic beverages in minimarts in April 2015. The ban was later relaxed, but now Islamic parties are pushing a bill that would ban the sale of beer, wine and spirits across the country.

4 Telecom Provider Blocks Access to Netflix
In January of this year, Indonesia’s biggest telecommunications provider blocked access to Netflix Inc.’s video-streaming service after the Indonesian Film Censorship Board and traditional cable-television operators complained about what it said was violent and adult content.

5 100,000 Protest in Jakarta Against Christian Governor
On Friday, some 100,000 Muslims gather in Jakarta to protest the city’s Christian governor for making a reference to the Quran they say amounted to blasphemy. Days before, an influential council of Islamic leaders released a statement reminding Muslims that they shouldn’t vote for candidates of other faiths.

http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2016/11/04/indoislam5things/

Betting thread on this election

Do you think Hillary will win (win margin as a percentage of the national popular vote)

- landslide: more than 7.0 % difference
- yuuuuge: 5 to 7%
- solid ++: 3 to 5%
- limited = 0 to 2%

Republicans who dump Trump: a Who's Who

The list from a NYT article http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/29/us/politics/at-least-110-republican-leaders-wont-vote-for-donald-trump-heres-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

Republicans who bailed out after the groping tape:

- Jason Chaffetz, Representative of Utah
- Barbara Comstock, Representative of Virginia
- Mike Crapo, Senator of Idaho
- Gary Herbert, Governor of Utah
- Mike Lee, Senator of Utah
- George E. Pataki, Former governor New York
- Kelly Ayotte, Senator of New Hampshire
- Robert Bentley, Governor of Alabama
- Bradley Byrne, Representative of Alabama
- Mike Coffman, Representative of Colorado
- Dennis Daugaard, Governor of South Dakota
- Rodney Davis, Representative of Illinois
- Cory Gardner, Senator of Colorado
- Scott Garrett, Representative of New Jersey
- Cresent Hardy, Representative of Nevada
- Joe Heck, Representative of Nevada, running for Senate
- Jon M. Huntsman Jr., Former governor of Utah
- Carly Fiorina, Former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard and candidate for G.O.P. nomination
- Deb Fischer, Senator of Nebraska
- Jeff Flake, Senator of Arizona
- Jeff Fortenberry, Representative of Nebraska
- John Kasich, Governor of Ohio
- Steve Knight, Representative of California
- Frank LoBiondo, Representative of New Jersey
- Mia Love, Representative of Utah
- Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico
- John McCain, Senator of Arizona
- Lisa Murkowski, Senator of Alaska
- Erik Paulsen, Representative of Minnesota
- Tim Pawlenty, Former governor of Minnesota
- Rob Portman, Senator of Ohio
- Condoleezza Rice, Former Secretary of State under George W. Bush
- Martha Roby, Represenative of Alabama
- Tom Rooney, Representative of Florida
- Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada
- Arnold Schwarzenegger, Former governor of California
- Chris Stewart, Representative of Utah
- Dan Sullivan, Senator of Alaska
- John Thune, Senator of South Dakota and chairman of the Republican Conference
- Fred Upton, Representative of Michigan
- Ann Wagner, Representative of Missouri
Oct. 7, 2016
- Jason Chaffetz Representative of Utah
- Barbara Comstock Representative of Virginia
- Mike Crapo Senator of Idaho
- Gary Herbert Governor of Utah
- Mike Lee Senator of Utah
- George E. Pataki Former governor New York
Oct. 8, 2016
- Kelly Ayotte Senator of New Hampshire
- Robert Bentley Governor of Alabama
- Bradley Byrne Representative of Alabama
- Mike Coffman Representative of Colorado
- Dennis Daugaard Governor of South Dakota
- Rodney Davis Representative of Illinois
- Cory Gardner Senator of Colorado
- Scott Garrett Representative of New Jersey
- Cresent Hardy Representative of Nevada
- Joe Heck Representative of Nevada, running for Senate
- Jon M. Huntsman Jr. Former governor of Utah
- Carly Fiorina Former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard and candidate for G.O.P. nomination
- Deb Fischer Senator of Nebraska
- Jeff Flake Senator of Arizona
- Jeff Fortenberry Representative of Nebraska
- John Kasich Governor of Ohio
- John Katko Representative of New York
- Steve Knight Representative of California
- Frank LoBiondo Representative of New Jersey
- Mia Love Representative of Utah
- Susana Martinez Governor of New Mexico
- John McCain Senator of Arizona
- Lisa Murkowski Senator of Alaska
- Erik Paulsen Representative of Minnesota
- Tim Pawlenty Former governor of Minnesota
- Rob Portman Senator of Ohio
- Condoleezza Rice Former Secretary of State under George W. Bush
- Martha Roby Representative of Alabama
- Tom Rooney Representative of Florida
- Brian Sandoval Governor of Nevada
- Arnold Schwarzenegger Former governor of California
- Chris Stewart Representative of Utah
- Dan Sullivan Senator of Alaska
- John Thune Senator of South Dakota and chairman of the Republican Conference
- Fred Upton Representative of Michigan
- Ann Wagner Representative of Missouri

Republicans who bailed out earlier

Dec. 11, 2015 : Representative Reid Ribble of Wisconsin says he will not support Mr. Trump if he is the Republican nominee.
Dec. 18, 2015 : Christine Todd Whitman - Former governor of New Jersey -
Dec. 22, 2015 : Robert J. Dold - Representative of Illinois
Jan. 14, 2016 : Peter Wehner, Former official in the Reagan and both Bush administrations
Jan. 22, 2016 : National Review, a conservative magazine founded by William F. Buckley, publishes a series of essays by 22 prominent conservatives, including the radio hosts Glenn Beck and Erick Erickson, denouncing Mr. Trump's candidacy.
Feb. 23, 2016 : Carlos Curbelo - Representative of Florida
Feb. 25, 2016 : Justin Amash - Representative of Michigan
Feb. 29, 2016 : Ben Sasse - Senator of Nebraska
- Paul D. Wolfowitz - Former deputy defense secretary
- Ken Mehlman - Former White House political director and Republican National Committee chairman
Mel Martinez - Former Florida senator and R.N.C. chairman
March 1, 2016 : Scott Rigell - Representative of Virginia
March 2, 2016 : Charlie Baker - Governor of Massachusetts
March 2, 2016 : More than 100 Republican national security leaders, many of them former Republican administration officials, sign a letter stating they are “unable to support a party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head.”
- Robert D. Blackwill Former top Iraq adviser on the National Security Council
- Eliot A. Cohen Former State Department counselor
- Michael Chertoff Former secretary of Homeland Security
- Patrick M. Cronin Former assistant administrator of the Agency for International Development
- Eric S. Edelman Former national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney
- Jim Kolbe Former representative of Arizona
- Gus Coldebella Former acting general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security
- Chester A. Crocker Assistant secretary of state for African affairs in the Reagan administration
- Richard A. Falkenrath Former deputy homeland security adviser to President George W. Bush
- Peter Feaver National security official in the George W. Bush administration
- Richard Fontaine Former State Department and National Security Council official
- Myriah Jordan Former special assistant to President George W. Bush
- Frances Townsend Former deputy national security adviser under President George W. Bush
- Francis Q. Hoang Former associate counsel to President George W. Bush
- Aaron Friedberg Former deputy national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney
- Kenneth Adelman Former director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
- Frank Lavin Under secretary of commerce for President George W. Bush; political director in the Reagan White House
- Mary Beth Long Former assistant secretary of defense
- James K. Glassman Former under secretary of state
- Richard Miles Former director for North America, National Security Council
- Andrew S. Natsios Former administrator of the Agency for International Development
- Nicholas Rostow Former legal adviser to the National Security Council
- Kori Schake Former director of defense strategy at the National Security Council
- Kristen Silverberg Former assistant secretary of state
- William H. Tobey Former deputy administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration
- Dov S. Zakheim Former under secretary of defense
- Robert B. Zoellick Former United States trade representative
- Philip D. Zelikow Former counselor of the State Department
- David Gordon Former director of policy planning at the State Department
- Paul Haenle Former director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council
- William Inboden Former strategic adviser at the National Security Council
- David Kramer Former assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor
- Robert G. Joseph Former under secretary of state for arms control and international security affairs
- Scott W. Muller Former C.I.A. general counsel
- Stephen D. Krasner Former policy planning director at the State Department
- Roger F. Noriega Former assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs
- Roger Zakheim Former deputy assistant secretary of defense
- Paul D. Miller Former director for Afghanistan and Pakistan, National Security Council
March 3, 2016
- Mitt Romney Republican presidential nominee in 2012 and a former governor of Massachusetts
- Norm Coleman Former senator of Minnesota
March 9, 2016
- Richard Hanna Representative of New York
March 15, 2016
- Mickey Edwards Former representative of Oklahoma
March 16, 2016
- Rudy Fernandez Former special assistant to President George W. Bush
March 24, 2016
- Larry Hogan Governor of Maryland
May 6, 2016
- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen Representative of Florida
- Jeb Bush Former presidential candidate and governor of Florida
- Lindsey Graham Senator of South Carolina
May 10, 2016
- Bob Inglis Former representative of South Carolina
- Rosario Marin U.S. Treasurer under George W. Bush
May 17, 2016
- Tom Ridge Former secretary of Homeland Security and governor of Pennsylvania
June 7, 2016
- Mark S. Kirk Senator of Illinois
- Christopher Shays Former representative of Connecticut
June 8, 2016
- Tom Campbell Former representative of California
June 15, 2016
- Arne Carlson Former governor of Minnesota
June 16, 2016
- Richard L. Armitage Former deputy secretary of state
June 22, 2016
- Brent Scowcroft National security adviser to Presidents Gerald R. Ford and George Bush
June 24, 2016
“The G.O.P., in putting Trump at the top of the ticket, is endorsing a brand of populism rooted in ignorance, prejudice, fear and isolationism.”
Henry M. Paulson Jr. Treasury secretary under President George W. Bush
July 1, 2016
- Marc F. Racicot -Former governor of Montana and R.N.C. chairman
Aug. 2, 2016
Charlie Dent Representative of Pennsylvania
Aug. 3, 2016
“Donald Trump is beginning to cross a lot of red lines of the unforgivable in politics.”
- Adam Kinzinger Representative of Illinois
- Vin Weber Former representative of Minnesota
Aug. 4, 2016
“I am ever more confirmed in my belief that Trump is a sociopath, without a conscience or feelings of guilt, shame or remorse.”
Gordon J. Humphrey Former senator of New Hampshire
Aug. 8, 2016
- Susan Collins Senator of Maine
- Lezlee Westine Former director of the White House public liaison office under President George W. Bush
- William G. Milliken Former governor of Michigan
Aug. 8, 2016
Fifty senior national security officials from Republican administrations, many who served under President George W. Bush, sign a letter declaring that Mr. Trump would put the country’s security at risk. Many also signed the March letter.
- John D. Negroponte Former director of national intelligence
- Donald B. Ayer Former deputy attorney general
- John B. Bellinger III Former legal adviser to State Department and National Security Council
- Gary Edson Former deputy national security adviser
- Jendayi Frazer Former special assistant to the president
- Michael J. Green Former special assistant to the president for national security affairs
- Brian Gunderson Former State Department chief of staff
- Michael V. Hayden Former C.I.A. director
- Carla A. Hills Former United States trade representative
- John Hillen Former assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs
- Reuben Jeffery III Former under secretary of state
- James Jeffrey Former deputy national security adviser
- Ted Kassinger Former deputy secretary of commerce
- James Langdon Former chairman, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
- Peter Lichtenbaum Former assistant secretary of commerce
- Clay Lowery Former assistant secretary of the Treasury
- Robert McCallum Former associate attorney general
- Meghan O'Sullivan Former deputy national security adviser
- Dan Price Former deputy national security adviser
- Stephen Slick Former senior director for intelligence programs
- Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli Former special assistant to the president
- William H. Taft IV Former deputy secretary of defense and ambassador to NATO
- Larry D. Thompson Former deputy attorney general
- John Veroneau Former deputy United States trade representative
- Kenneth Wainstein Former assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism
- Matthew Waxman Former deputy assistant secretary of defense
Aug. 9, 2016
- William D. Ruckelshaus Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator
- William K. Reilly Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator
Aug. 10, 2016
- Connie Morella Former representative of Maryland
- Fred T. Goldberg Jr. I.R.S. commissioner under President George Bush
- David Durenberger Former senator of Minnesota
Aug. 12, 2016
- Robert Tuttle Former ambassador to Britain under George W. Bush
Aug. 14, 2016
- Carlos M. Gutierrez President George W. Bush’s commerce secretary
“I haven’t heard an economic concept come out of Trump’s mouth except for protectionism and lower taxes.
If you put those two together, that is a recipe for disaster.”
Aug. 16, 2016
- Tom Coleman Former representative of Missouri
Sept. 2, 2016
- Charles Fried Solicitor general under President Ronald Reagan
- Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark under President George W. Bush
Sept. 28, 2016
- John Warner Former senator of Virginia
Sept. 29, 2016
- Sherwood Boehlert Former representative of New York
- Claudine Schneider Former representative of Rhode Island

Wapo/Politifact: Hillary mostly truthful, Trump mostly lying

The article is here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/01/donald-trump-has-been-wrong-way-more-often-than-all-the-other-2016-candidates-combined/


But one graph sums it up neatly:

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Chelsea bomber ,"Smart, funny, humble" before, "had become more religious"

Isn't it a reconfirmation of the ill effects of religion that becoming more religious is associated with transforming from a "Smart, funny, humble" to a terrorist?

Let's even say this person became disaffected due to a feud with his family. Isn't it an indictment of religion that it should give a violent justification and outlet to some unrelated anger?

Ahmad Rahami: Fixture in Family’s Business and, Lately, a ‘Completely Different Person’

(..) Ahmad Khan Rahami (..) In recent years, though, some friends noticed a marked change in his personality and religious devotion after what they believed was a trip to Afghanistan, where he and his relatives are from.

(..) Around four years ago, though, Mr. Rahami disappeared for a while. Mr. Jones said one of the younger Rahami brothers told him that he had gone to Afghanistan. When he returned, some patrons noticed a certain transformation. He grew a beard and exchanged his typical wardrobe of T-shirts and sweatpants for traditional Muslim garb. He began to pray in the back of the store.

His previous genial bearing turned more stern. “It’s like he was a completely different person,” Mr. Jones said. “He got serious and completely closed off.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-bombing-suspect.html?_r=0

Is Europe headed for a civil war?

I wish the issue would be addressed, or next thing we know, Trump will nuke Europe.
(but thankfully, I think Hillary is poised to win the election)

Why this is becoming a serious issue:

1/ the Paris and Brussels attacked illustrated there are radical ghettos in Europe
for Europe’s leaders, who now consider themselves at war with the Islamic State after large-scale terrorist attacks at home, the challenge is more complicated: The enemy’s hide-outs are ghettoized parts of Paris, Brussels and other European cities that amount to mini failed states inside their own borders.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/europe/a-quandary-for-europe-fighting-a-war-on-isis-within-its-borders.html?_r=0

2/ As ISIS is on the verge of being defeated, European radicals will return home
The European countries with the most residents either fighting in Syria or Iraq, planning to go to fight or having returned from the fight are France, with about 1,800 to 1,850; Germany and Britain, each with roughly 750 to 800; and Belgium, with 450,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/26/us/politics/isis-spreading-in-europe-clapper-warns.html

3/ those experienced radicals have a larger base of disenfranchised sympathizers
Valls said nearly 15,000 people in France are being tracked because they are suspected of being in the process of radicalization, while 1,350 are under investigation — 293 of them for alleged links with a terrorism network.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/09/11/world/europe/ap-eu-france-plot-arrest.html

4/ and the strategy of these returning radicals appears to be to drive a wedge between the Muslim population and the rest of society:
According to German newspaper Die Welt, Kepel said the terror group’s aim is to incite hatred towards Muslims from the rest of the society which would eventually radicalise others to the point that Europe could enter into full-blown civil war.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1775496/massive-european-civil-war-predicted-by-scholar-of-islam-who-says-jobless-young-muslims-are-increasingly-turning-to-radical-groups/

Not sure there's a straightforward American answer to this mess, but it sure will be a major concern in the years to come.

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France

Religion vs women's rights. Again.

Young Muslim men beat up the husbands and boyfriends of women deemed too scantily clothed on the beach (in shorts). Why do I read many more comments in defense of the burkini (the recently invented 'islamic' swimwear), but precious little about the attempts at religion to encroach on the beach?

I love the PC denial of the article "There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ .. religion." Who calls girls "whores" for wearing shorts? French Buddhists?

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France inflames social media

Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.

“They [the attackers] shouted to them [the women] 'whores' and 'go on, get naked’,” the Valeurs Acuelles magazine quoted Marchal as saying.

Two suspects, reportedly one 17-year-old and one 19-year-old, were apprehended on Tuesday. It is thought they have a preexisting criminal record. The identity of the alleged perpetrators remains undisclosed. An investigation is underway to track down the others.

Mayor of Toulon Hubert Falco said that “attacking my fellow citizens in shorts is abnormal and pitiable.”

“I am happy that thanks to the efficiency of the national police and CCTV cameras of the city, we could apprehend the perpetrators. One does not attack a woman because she is wearing shorts. This heinous act must be punished harshly,” France Bleu quoted the Mayor as saying.

One of the victims, named only as Marie, commented on the incident to the Nice Matin newspaper on Friday.

“We were not wearing shorts. We were in sportswear. One youngster badmouthed us and then things quickly escalated,” newspaper quotes the victim.

There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ identities, nationalities, citizenship or religion. However, some in France linked the attacks on short-wearers to the burkini controversy and Islam in general. Julien Leonardelli, the department secretary for the far-right National Front in Haute-Garonne, claimed on Twitter, that "Sharia is already installed in Toulon."

https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

Does Hillary's platform need to be clarified/sharpened?

Maybe I've not been attentive enough, but I feel there's a problem of electoral platform clarity. People remember simple things, is the Democratic platform simple enough?

Take Trump and his scare tactics. He's making the (overly) simple offer to protect people against a big, bad world (immigrants, violence, Islamic terrorism, China taking jobs)
This is decomposed into actions (a yyuuuge wall, border controls and tariffs,..)

Do you share my feeling that what's missing is a counter vision expressed in simple terms
(like the New Deal, the Fair Deal, whatever) with one or two key star measures?

Maintaining the status quo (like the ACA) isn't a dynamic enough selling proposition IMHO.
And just running negatively against an erratic Trump is giving him more limelight.
What is/should be the unique selling proposition of the Democratic platform? The focus?


France: Islamist Church Attack: Priest killed in hostage-taking near Rouen

Paris Bataclan, Nice, Bavaria music festival, Rouen, I wonder if there's a common thread?

France church attack: Priest killed in hostage-taking near Rouen

The area has been cordoned off and police have told people to stay away
A priest has been killed in an attack by two armed men at his church in a suburb of Rouen in northern France.

The attackers entered the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during Mass, taking the priest, Fr Jacques Hamel, 84, and four other people hostage.
Police later surrounded the church and French TV said shots were fired. Both hostage-takers are now dead.

President Francois Hollande said the men claimed to be from so-called Islamic State (IS).
Speaking in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, he said the attackers had committed a "cowardly assassination" and France would fight IS "by all means".

The IS-linked Amaq news agency said "two soldiers of the Islamic State" had carried out the attack.

Pope Francis decried the "pain and horror of this absurd violence".
French interior ministry spokesman, Pierre-Henri Brandet, said one of the hostages had been critically wounded. He said the hostage-takers had been "neutralised" after coming out of the church. Police were now searching the church for explosives.

Police sources said it appeared the attackers had slit the priest's throat with a knife.
The area has been cordoned off and police have told people to stay away.

Mr Brandet said the investigation into the incident would be led by anti-terrorism prosecutors. One of the men was known to the French intelligence services, French TV channel M6 has reported.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36892785

Syrian asylum seeker detonates bomb in Ansbach, Germany

The intent of this suicide bomber was to detonate his bomb at a music festival.

Last week, another migrant attacked people with axe and knife on a train near Munich.

Ansbach explosion: Syrian asylum seeker blows himself up in Germany

A failed Syrian asylum seeker has blown himself up and injured 12 other people with a backpack bomb near a festival in the south German town of Ansbach.

The state of Bavaria's interior minister said the 27-year-old man had detonated the device after being refused entry to the music festival.

About 2,500 people were evacuated from the venue after the explosion. Bavaria has been on edge since a knife rampage on a train claimed by so-called Islamic State last Monday.

The Ansbach blast is reported to have happened at about 22:10 (20:10 GMT) outside the Eugens Weinstube bar in the centre of the town, which has a population of 40,000 and is home to a US military base.

The bomb went off close to the entrance to the Ansbach Open music festival.
A witness, Thomas Debinski, reported "panic" after the explosion, although some people had thought it was caused by a gas explosion. "Then people came past and said it was a rucksack that had exploded," he told Sky News.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36880758
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