Jarqui
Jarqui's JournalThat's been the case for sometime
But if one was behind, wanted to shake things up and had someone in mind who complimented them well and was willing, why not?
Bunch of ifs there but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.
Obviously doubtful that it will happen but probably not completely crazy in some circumstances.
On this part
My point is about politics more than history. Bernie may be right that addressing inequality is the main thing that should be attacked. Opinions vary. I take it you like his philosophy and that in your view it is very close to MLK philosophy. But is he going to be as effective politically with his approach vs. one that could be called a more traditional democratic approach.
There are lots of things the two men have in common in terms of their philosophy on poverty. I've never thought to compare them. Part of me wouldn't dare because I think so highly of MLK - he's passed and kind of above that in some respects. I'm delighted with and proud of MLK's legacy.
On the specific of looking at poverty while ignoring race, I think that's smart and good. First of all, it's true that all races experience some level of poverty - some more than others, blacks much more than whites, etc. But to take it up a notch - beyond any race, gets the racism out of the way. I think more people can naturally come together around that. Both MLK and Sanders seem to be on the same page there.
As for the Salon article, it says:
"It would be wrong and unfair to accuse him (sanders) of indifference to issues of racial equality."
I have to agree with that part of the article.
I think we'd both agree that the GOP has a number of racists in that party. Which pitch is going to get more GOP support:
"With my policy proposals, I'd like to help a poor family in poverty" or "With my policy proposals, I'd like to help a poor black family in poverty"? I think the question is rhetorical.
As well, if one focuses too much on one race, aren't they also getting racial about it and in danger of the finger of racism being pointed back at them?
Now, if we really want to seriously discuss poverty by race and poverty level in the US, then the first group up are not the blacks. The first group up are the indians - the people the white man took the US real estate from in the first place. Their poverty rates are about 20% more than blacks who are followed fairly closely by latinos (we can't forget them either). And on it goes ...
Sanders has fought for racial equality and the elimination of poverty all his life. I don't think dissecting some of his words is going to change that.
I think that example is nitpicking or splitting hairs if I understand the grievance accurately from
the top post
"I just want to note, MLK Jr was fighting for BLACK sanitation workers to have the same pay and treatment as WHITE sanitation workers. People sanitize history and try to co opt our movements and leaders at times. We see through that. We know. You can look it up on the google."
Sanders failing to go into the specifics on what the fight was about .. I was around then - you wouldn't need to describe what the fight was about when MLK was involved back then - how many fights did MLK get involved in that didn't relate in some fashion to race? I'm sure there were some but none of substance that I can recall.
And yet, Sanders doesn't need to mention the specifics of race because he is concerned with ALL Americans in poverty - not just Blacks. And you know what, as much as the fights we most often heard about with MLK related to race, he was like Sanders, concerned with poverty in general - not just with Blacks
Here's MLK on poverty:
http://borgenproject.org/martin-luther-king-quotes-poverty/
“A second evil which plagues the modern world is that of poverty. Like a monstrous octopus, it projects it’s nagging, prehensile tentacles in lands and villages all over the world. Almost two thirds of the peoples of the world go to bed hungry at night. They are undernourished, ill-housed, and shabbily clad. Many of them have no houses or beds to sleep in. Their only beds are the sidewalks of the cities and the dusty roads of the villages. Most of these poverty-stricken children of God have never seen a physician or a dentist.”
“So it is obvious that if a man is to redeem his spiritual and moral ‘lag,’ he must go all out to bridge the social and economic gulf between the ‘haves’ and ‘have not’s’ of the world. Poverty is one of the most urgent items on the agenda of modern life.”
“There is nothing new about poverty. What is new, however, is that we have the resources to get rid of it.”
“The time has come for an all- out world war against poverty.”
“The rich nations must use their vast resources of wealth to develop the underdeveloped, school the unschooled, and feed the unfed. Ultimately a great nation is a compassionate nation. No individual or nation can be great if it does not have a concern for ‘the least of these.'”
Excerpts from Dr. King’s “Let My People Go” speech. Human Rights Day December 10, 1965:
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We are in an era in which the issue of human rights is the central question confronting all nations. In this complex struggle an obvious but little appreciated fact has gained attention-the large majority of the human race is non-white-yet it is that large majority which lives in hideous poverty. While millions enjoy an unexampled opulence in developed nations, ten thousand people die of hunger each and every day of the year in the undeveloped world.”
An excerpt from “Where do we go from Here: Chaos or Community” written in 1967:
Sadly this is Dr. King’s last book before he was tragically assassinated.
“I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income.”
“The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
Was King " sanitizing his rhetoric on minority issues" when he uttered the above words on poverty without mentioning race? I don't think so because as much as blacks have been terribly mistreated, they do not have a monopoly on poverty. King realized that and when he said as much, I think it helped his cause.
When was he sanitizing his rhetoric on minority issues ?
When he was president of CORE - Congress of Racial Equality in his school?
When he helped organized a sit in against his school's discriminatory policy with student housing ?
When he protested against motel and restaurant chain's racially discriminatory policies?
When he wrote a letter to the editor of the Maroon in February of 1963 about segregation in the city?
When he attended the 1963 March on Washington, and saw Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., give his “I Have A Dream” speech in person?
When he was an organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Nonviolent_Coordinating_Committee
When he got convicted for "resisting arrest" during a demonstration against segregation in Chicago's schools in 1963?
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when he endorsed Jesse Jackson for President in 1988?
when he defended voting rights over the years?
when he spoke out against the incarceration of blacks?
when he spoke out against the shaft blacks get in education?
when he achieved 100 percent ratings from the ACLU many times over the last two decades - something Hillary has NEVER done ?
when he achieved 100 percent ratings from the NAACP many times over the last two decades ?
From the polls I've seen
Bernie does better than Clinton with Republicans. I think it has more to do with them hating Clinton while not disliking Bernie.
Maybe these article saves me some typing
Memo to progressives: Hillary Clinton is lying to you
All politicians flip-flop. But Clinton's TPP opposition marks one of the more brazen U-turns in recent history
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/08/memo_to_progressives_hillary_clinton_is_lying_to_you/
A Timeline Of Hillary Clinton's Evolution On Trade
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade
There's ample evidence to establish Hillary as a chronic flip-flopper on trade. Starting with NAFTA, she's done it over her career in Washington. Those articles above cannot be seriously refuted. Those are the facts. From those facts, Major Benefactors of TPP put their money down on Hillary to flip-flop again. Probably not a bad bet.
ok, ok, he gets my vote ...
as the most contemptuous, lying, ignorant, racist pig running for office!
Apparently not
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/some-of-the-past-complaints-against-chicago-cop-charged-in-t.htmlVan Dyke, a police officer for 14 years, was stripped of his police powers after an eight-day conduct review immediately after the Oct. 20, 2014, shooting of McDonald, according to police.
He had been on paid administrative leave since the shooting, police said.
They suspended him without pay when they charged him.
fyi, NY Times has info on past complaints against his conduct
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/18/us/chicago-police-complaints.html?_r=1
I think he's make a better VP than her as well
I was thinking Kerry might be a nice fit for Bernie as VP in terms of his military and foreign policy experience. I'm not sure how Kerry would feel about Bernie's other policies.
?? "The Iowa caucuses are Dec. 1st followed by the New Hampshire primary on Dec. 8th." ??
Do you mean February 1st and February 9th 2016 instead of the above??
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