NurseJackie
NurseJackie's JournalIf anyone refuses to vote for our party's nominee... they're not the base. The base doesn't do that.
If anyone refuses to vote for our party's nominee... they're not the base. The base doesn't do that. The base also doesn't make threats to sit-out or to vote third-party.
What's "quite well known" is that nobody is "automatically" part of the base due to their age or gender or ethnic background... those things are irrelevant. They BECOME the base because of their actions and participation and support and their loyalty through thick and thin.
The people you're describing... the one's who'll you think will "walk" or abandon the party... those aren't the base (they're selfish). The base doesn't pout. The base doesn't try to "punish". The base doesn't need constant validation, strokes or ego-boosters and compliments. All of your arguments are sheer fallacy and nothing more.
I'm not. Millennials are an unreliable voting bloc...
I'm not. Millennials are an unreliable voting bloc.
The phrase "would support" comes across as having a subtext or more accurate meaning of "would grudgingly support if that was the only option". I'm not interpreting this as having a great deal of enthusiasm for choosing a Socialist to represent our party.
There are just too many good and loyal and stalwart DEMOCRATS to choose from. Why would we, as a party, ever need to dip into the Socialist pool? It's just totally unnecessary.
I say we should stick with our own: Democrats.
All I'm saying is that anyone who has such hostility and contempt for the Democratic party... to the point where they're telling LIES about "Democrats being corrupt" or LIES about "Democrats are ideologically bankrupt" or LIES about "Democrats are the party of the elite" or LIES about "no difference between Democrats and Republicans"... well, it's clear to me that anyone who says such things should not be the leader and standard-bearer of our party. That's all.
We can do better.
Oh please. Stop it! No, it's not "bickering" it's getting to the truth...
I do not consider someone to be "incredibly fantastic" if they proclaim the Democratic party to be "corrupt" and "feeble" and "ideologically bankrupt" and "intellectually bankrupt". Those lies aren't going to motivate people to join the party or volunteer or donate or run.
It's not "progressive" to stubbornly stick to a "no compromise" philosophy for the sole purpose of being able to brag and boast about how one didn't compromise. Yet, in doing that... in FAILING to find common ground and mutual interests... in FAILING to accept a little less if the opposition would do the same... because of someone's PRIDE, we should accept NOTHING?? That's not progress. There's nothing progressive about that at all. In fact, it's simply maintaining the "status quo" that we hear so many "progressives" complain about. (Oh that evil incrementalism, eh? Better to have nothing at all, eh? Lord.)
What good purpose does it serve for anyone to loudly proclaim that "there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP"... WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT?!! That type of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
Here's the thing... when any candidate continually refers the the Democratic party as a "failure" or suggests that the party "focuses too much on Diversity"... then that person has forever disqualified himself (or herself, whatever) from being the party's leader. It's well know which candidate, and his (or her) surrogates have advocated in no uncertain terms that the Democratic party must be "destroyed to be rebuilt".
The base will vote regardless... that's why they're called "the base".
You're not describing "the base". It's something else... but it's certainly not the actual BASE of the party.
The "base" of the Democratic party are the ones who are LOYAL to the party. The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE in every election. The "base" of the Democratic party are the ones who only vote for Democrats. The "base" are the ones who volunteer, donate, canvass, stuff-envelopes, man phone banks, hand out flyers at polling places.
The "base" doesn't need to be convinced to do anything. It's very insulting for anyone to 1) act like the base aren't loyal... and 2) try to pretend that the unreliable and malcontent voters are the "base" (they're not!)
The real "base" will vote for the party's nominee even if they aren't thrilled that their first choice didn't make it. The real "base" doesn't need to be personally excited or "in-love" with the nominee. The "base" will vote for the Democrat because it's good for the country, not because their own personal vanities have been validated and not because their egos have been stroked.
All I'm saying is the far-left fringe-y malcontents, and the unreliable youth-vote are NOT the base.
Yet nary a word of complaint when the entire Democratic Party is smeared and denigrated with LIES...
Yet nary a word of complaint when the entire Democratic Party is smeared and denigrated with LIES that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt"... or that that Democrats are "feeble".
Doesn't it ALSO "help to drive away" voters from the Democratic party (a little here, a little there) when the Democratic party is falsely portrayed as being "corrupt" and an "absolute failure"?
What good purpose does it serve for anyone to continually spread lies that Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" and that we're the "party of the elite".
How does it attract new voters and "young voters" when they're being told that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans" and that the Democrats are "do-nothings"?
I, for one, am GRATEFUL to Marton O'Malley for having the courage to speak up and tell the TRUTH. As you noted, there are often consequences for telling the truth but O'Malley is showing us the courage of his convictions.
At least he hasn't told divisive lies about how the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change" or that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity.
None of those things are true... but when people in power and when notable (famous) individuals use their "star power" to smear and denigrate the Democrats, well, that only creates long term division and it stokes resentment and distrust. And over time I guess "it all adds up" and people begin to believe the LIE that the Democrats are the same as the GOP and they stop supporting Democrats (from the top to the bottom) and in the long run, that only serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.
Why would anyone purposely do things that HARM our great party and which, in turn, ultimately BENEFIT the Republicans? It's a fair question that deserves and answer. Why would anyone defend (or ignore) that destructive behavior without saying anything... without calling it out... without expressing their disapproval. --- In the end, silence and apathy equal approval and agreement, right?
It's also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.
I'm just trying to say, and all I want to know is... what good purpose does that serve? Why is it okay to smear an entire party, but some find it so unutterably offensive to legitimately criticize the policies and actions (or inaction) of another?
Remember that one time when he had a rally in North Charleston, SC?
Remember that one time when he had a rally in North Charleston, SC? BS can't even get AA and POC to attend a rally at an historically BLACK church in a MAJORITY BLACK neighborhood, within a MAJORITY BLACK city.
His rally (although well-attended) had so LITTLE ethnic diversity that it looked like he could have been somewhere Vermont. In fact, based on the statistics, the demographics at that rally was even whiter than Vermont.
It's obvious that the AA and POC community are rejecting BS and the BS campaign. They did then, and they still do NOW. He can't make headway. He hasn't been able to refine and tune his message.
BS just doesn't connect with that community. The BS message just isn't resonating. When the AA voters don't even BOTHER to show up to a rally that's RIGHT THERE in their city, their neighborhood, their church facility... well that is a SERIOUS SNUB and COMPLETE REJECTION.
All I'm saying is, with such a humiliating rejection by the AA and POC communities, and without their vote, BS doesn't stand a chance.
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/who-is-feeling-the-bern-in-north-charleston-it-was/article_851b29d6-471e-11e9-bc24-7f7b68686e53.html
I prefer it when candidates do not denigrate the Democratic party with outright LIES.
Biden does not hate the Democratic party. Biden does not call Democrats "intellectually bankrupt". Biden does not think that the Democratic party is "ideologically bankrupt". Biden does not believe that Democrats are "feeble" and "corrupt".
Biden has never proclaimed that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". You'll never hear Biden (nor his supporters_ characterize the Democratic party as being "the party of the one-percent". Futhermore, neither Biden nor his supporters accuse the Democratic party of being "the party of the elite."
Joe Biden does not denigrate the Democratic party with accusations of being "do-nothings". The Biden campaign believes that racism is real and that economic considerations won't make racism go away. Neither Biden or his surrogates smear the Democratic party by saying that "it focuses 'too-much' on Diversity".
All I'm trying to say is that sure, there is tension arguing and bickering among ourselves and pointing out the obvious flaws in other candidates while participating in an anonymous discussion forum and on Twitter, etc... that's par for the course and to be expected.
But then... there are the OUTRIGHT LIES and other things that certain candidates, campaigns, surrogates and other ndividuals do and say publicly that denigrate and smear and divide and create distrust and suspicion and resentment... and which discourages voters from supporting the Democratic party.
In case you missed it... allow me to repeat: those things DISCOURAGE VOTERS FROM SUPPORTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AT ALL. It demonizes the Democratic party and portrays the party as being "no different" or "the same as" the GOP.
THOSE ARE DANGEROUS FUCKING LIES, MY FRIEND!
Here's the bottom line: Lies and smears about Democrats and the Democratic party create negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections. What good purpose does that serve? Why would any forward-thinking individual purposely do and say things that harm the Democratic party and which benefit the GOP?
"I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments"
Smart voters (who live in the real world) understand these things. Intelligent voters know that real progress is incremental. Mature voters know that you don't always get what you want. Rational voters know that you can't bully your way into success and that you've got to find common ground and mutual interests with the opposition. Adult voters who have real world experience know all these things.
The candidate that I support will know all these things too and will be someone who has the temperament and demeanor to make me proud that he (or she) is our party's nominee.
THANK GOD!
I still remember that one time that BS held a rally in an historically "black church" auditorium/multi-purpose hall... in a majority black city (North Charleston, SC)... in a predominantly black neighborhood and those in attendance make it look like he was in lily-white Vermont. Actually, the ethnic diversity of the people that attended that rally were MORE WHITE than Vermont.
It was clear to me then (and it's clear to me now) that AA and POC voters aren't buying what he's selling. AA and POC voters are very loyal to the Democratic party and are proud to be Democrats. I honestly don't know how anyone expects to receive votes from loyal and stalwart livelong Democrats when they have such a despicable reputation of denigrating and smearing Democrats and the Democratic party with so many attacks and lies.
You'll never hear Barney Frank calling the Democratic party "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt"...
You'll never hear Barney Frank calling the Democratic party "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt". Barney Frank won't be accusing the Democratic party of being "corrupt" and he won't be calling Democrats "the party of the elite" and "the party of the one-percent". Barney Frank does not hate the Democratic party and he does not proclaim the party to be "an absolute failure."
Frank doesn't accuse Democrats of being "do-nothings", and he doesn't accuse Democrats of "focusing 'too-much' on Diversity". And something else about Barney Frank's character: he doesn't defend or make excuses for racists... he knows that if someone refuses to vote for a candidate because of his/her skin color... then that voter is indeed a racist.
Thank GOD for Barney Frank, DEMOCRAT!
We need more LOYAL DEMOCRATS just like him!
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