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Otto Lidenbrock

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Jeremy Corbyn's social policies were popular

As individual items they polled well.



In 2017 he took away the Conservative party's majority in the House of Commons.

The real two reasons why Labour took a pounding is Brexit and Corbyn himself.

1) In 2016 Corbyn did not do a good job promoting the need to remain in the EU as he was an old school socialist who never wanted to join the EU in the first place. But 70% of his party voted to remain. In 2017 Corbyn said he'd respect the result of Brexit but didn't elaborate what that meant. Labour leavers in key northern seats stuck by him because they felt he was on their side. Labour remainers were mostly in London and University towns which are safe Labour seats anyway. But in 2019 he said he'd support a second vote. Labour leavers felt betrayed and voted for either the Tories for the first time or the Brexit Party (Nigel Farage). Farage's new party won no seats but they were a damaging protest vote.

2) Corbyn was seen as a weak leader. He got attacked viciously by the press and never fought back the charges. He was seen as weak on national security because he in the past said Britain's nuclear weapon defense program was a waste of money and morally wrong. He was seen as a traitor to patrioticism because he met with the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah while criticising the British army for war crimes. He couldn't stop antisemitism growing under his leadership. He already had to fend off a vote of no confidence from his own MPs. He was basically made out to be anti-British, open borders, weak on crime, economically damaging communist and that campaign evidently worked.

But I repeat, the policies as individual items polled well. Maybe a new, less problematic leader can sell them better. A new Labour leader will still get destroyed by the right wing press. Ed Miliband had it just as bad, if not worse, as they targetted Miliband's deceased father who was a Jewish British WW2 veteran who fled persecution in Nazi occupied Belgium.



The key is also not to overpromise. Too much too soon is bad. Tony Blair won in 1997 by being charismatic, young and media saavy. Blair won in 1997 with his "education, education, education" mantra. Winning an election is not about out-promising your opponent because you're just going to disappoint everyone and fail once in government. And you might not even get in government as people stop taking you seriously. Focus on a few key policies, hammer them every day, have a good media response team. Do the work and the voters will follow.

Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Sat Dec 14, 2019, 08:47 PM (7 replies)

The Sun Newspaper and how it decides UK elections

That abhorrent, vile rag hasn't lost an election in the UK since 1974. Every party they have backed --- with the exception of Tony Blair's Labour --- has been the Conservatives. And every party they have backed has won.

The most read paper in the UK with the exception of the City of Liverpool where it is boycotted for blaming the victims of the Hillsborough disaster.



Tony Blair only got their backing because he was to some extent seen as agreeable by Murdoch since Blair shifted Labour to the middle and the Conservatives had 18 years of uninterrupted power. Jeremy Corbyn ironically was elected leader to reverse the "neo-liberalism" of Blair but look what happened. The conservative party will probably get to 2029 with their big majority with the only Labour leader to win a general election in half a century being despised by progressives and endorsed by The Sun. Blair won three elections on the trot very easily. No one else who has led Labour could win one.


Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Fri Dec 13, 2019, 08:58 AM (3 replies)

Well that escalated quickly

When Pete entered the race



vs

When Pete is now a serious player in the race



It's as if now he's a threat to this journalist's preferred candidate, it's no longer that he's not passing the purity test on healthcare and college debt, he's not passing the purity test on being sufficiently gay.

Give me a break.
Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Wed Dec 11, 2019, 04:26 PM (4 replies)

About big money in politics: It's a tad ironic...

...that we held our candidates to some sort of purity test to take no PAC money and those who have received donations from billionaires get hounded for it.

Yet all it's actually done is encourage actual billionaires to sense an opening and join the race.

Beto ran out of money. Kamala ran out of money. They didn't lack in grassroots support. They had a healthy loyal band of supporters but they weren't growing their base because they didn't have the money to reach new people whether it was just through ads or actual ground game with pooling resources into different states.

Running with one hand tied behind your back is precisely why Bloomberg has joined the race. He doesn't need the small donors. He'll just blow you out of the water with what to him is pocket change.
Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Mon Dec 9, 2019, 08:55 PM (5 replies)

Nobody elected Ivanka Trump. Nobody elected Jared Kushner. Nobody elected Rudy Giuliani.

Yet they have security clearances and travel the world on tax payer dime to "represent" the US government.

Give me a break about "unelected bureaucrats" you republican morons.
Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Mon Dec 9, 2019, 04:54 PM (14 replies)

Boris Johnson refusing to look at a picture of a four year old forced to sleep on a hospital floor

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736

Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Mon Dec 9, 2019, 02:32 PM (0 replies)

Anybody watched the debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn?

It just finished. I got a link on youtube to stream it. My God...Boris really is the British Trump. Offered nothing on policy but the slogan "get brexit done" all the time. Corbyn nailed a few zingers but you can tell the disinformation campaign has worked to raise suspicion about him because one of the questions put forward was whether he'd shut down MI5

Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:35 PM (2 replies)

Boris Johnson gets humiliated

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344

The amazing part is Andrew Neil is a conservative. He is the chairman of the Spectator magazine. He grilled Jeremy Corbyn last week and now Boris is scared to appear because he only does softball interviews. He also schooled Ben Shapiro on the BBC earlier in the year.



Could you imagine an American conservative journalist throwing the gauntlet to a right wing figure? Instead they're a bunch of bootlickers.
Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:14 AM (5 replies)

"The very online left is very annoyed with Mayor Pete"

Interesting article in my opinion. The author and the website are vehemently anti-Trump so there is no agenda to the source. It's looking at it from a different perspective.

In just the last few weeks, Buttigieg—a mild-mannered Midwesterner who has been tucking in his shirt since grade school—has sparked blinding, irrational hatred from the online left. It’s a strange new disrespect from the identity politics set, given that Buttigieg is mounting a historic candidacy as the first credible gay presidential candidate in American history.

Of course, if you aren’t a frequenter of progressive Twitter—or if you are an Iowa caucusgoer who has vaulted Pete to the top of the polls—you might not even realize this is all happening. So I’d like to take you on a penny tour through some of the more maniacal Buttigieg “problems” that have “surfaced” as we enter this holiday season of fellowship.

On Wednesday, David Klion, a contributor to the Nation, retweeted a thread which accused Pete of keeping a “token black woman” by his side recently and featured several pictures of her. “This is the 9th sighting since I noticed…Mayor Pete is an exploitative twerp.”

The woman in question, Nina Smith, is a veteran of multiple Democratic campaigns and Pete’s traveling press secretary. She joined the campaign in May. It’s unclear exactly why Klion and the Twitter user “@net-enforcer” feel entitled to demean Smith as a token. You might say they are erasing her agency in an attempt to enforce their own views of identity. Who could say?

Meanwhile, Teen Vogue, which has unironically become a Democratic Socialist magazine that appeals to Red Rose Twitter, published an article about “Petey Bourgeoius” premised on the fact that he “almost too perfectly represents a danger Karl Marx raises” because his aw shucks appeal is masking his fealty to the ruling class.

Mediaite, meanwhile, published a dispatch from the Pete campaign bus that is so psychotic you need to read it yourself, but it can best be described as a stream of consciousness ranting from an unwell street corner preacher who is screaming ludicrous questions while the candidate responds to them calmly. Mediaite framed the article as “Pete Buttigieg Does Not Want You To Read This Interview.”People did read it, and they laughed.

The Root published an article that was widely praised on the left titled “Pete Buttigieg is a Lying MF” which was premised on an 8-year-old “surfaced” clip in which Pete makes a common argument about how sometimes people in lower income, minority neighborhoods don’t have role models they know personally who testify to the value of education. Offering a different perspective as someone who grew up in one of those communities to shed some light on blind spots that Mayor Pete had would be one thing and something Pete clearly welcomes as evidenced by his return call to the author. Using it as the launching point for calling him a “lying motherfucker” in a disdain soaked essay is just a wee bit out there.

There has been an absolutely bizarre series of articles about how Buttigieg isn’t “gay enough,” most notably this one from the New Republic that referred to him repeatedly as “Mary Pete” and projected onto him a desire to hook up with an older man in a bus station. It was so bad that TNR retracted it and deleted it from their site. Politico published a confounding article premised on a few lesbian Democratic activists who weren’t supporting Pete. It is unclear why there should be an expectation that Pete would earn the vote of every living lesbian—or gay man, for that matter. The very fact that Buttigieg isn’t running an identity-based campaign for gays is part of his appeal.

Prominent online Democrats have said that Pete’s success, coming in spite of low polling with black voters, is a sign of white supremacy. This is a real thing.

A Vice headline accused him of supporting a literal India style caste system. Adam Jentleson, a noted Twitter antagonist to Mayor Pete and former advisor to Harry Reid—who was, just so we’re clear, not exactly the wokest horse in the barn—shared an accusation that Buttigieg has “high hopes of reinforcing systemic racism.”

Back in my days of doing rapid response for Republicans, that would have been a pretty serious charge. And that’s especially the case when a Democratic strategist is accusing fellow Democrats of supporting “systemic racism”—a claim like that is liable to end up in a Trump campaign Facebook ad aimed at depressing the black vote should Buttigieg wind up on the eventual Democratic ticket.

Some teens on TikTok—the hot new social site owned and controlled by the Chinese government which absolutely does not have any incentive to meddle in U.S. elections—have taken to calling him “Mayo Pete” and the progressive press has lapped it up, spilling substantial digital ink on this brilliant pun and brutally mocking the earnest Pete volunteers who sparked the meme by daring to show some off keyboard enthusiasm for politics through a cheesy dance number.


https://thebulwark.com/the-problematic-pete-wars/
Posted by Otto Lidenbrock | Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:01 AM (9 replies)
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