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So many people are upset about property damage...

Never in American History has property damage resulted in meaningful political change.

Or has it?

The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.[1] The target was the Tea Act of May 10, 1773, which allowed the British East India Company to sell tea from China in American colonies without paying taxes apart from those imposed by the Townshend Acts. American Patriots strongly opposed the taxes in the Townshend Act as a violation of their rights. Demonstrators, some disguised as Native Americans, destroyed an entire shipment of tea sent by the East India Company.

They boarded the ships and threw the chests of tea into the Boston Harbor. The British government responded harshly and the episode escalated into the American Revolution. The Tea Party became an iconic event of American history, and since then other political protests such as the Tea Party movement have referred to themselves as historical successors to the Boston protest of 1773.

The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "no taxation without representation", that is, to be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. In addition, the well-connected East India Company had been granted competitive advantages over colonial tea importers, who resented the move and feared additional infringement on their business. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.[2]

The Boston Tea Party was a significant event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Intolerable Acts, or Coercive Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Intolerable Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.


Ask yourselves ... at what point does property become more important than black lives? The answer is never.

Video of police enforcing curfew by shooting pepper balls at porch sitters


I believe this was last night In Minneapolis.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the burning of stores and vehicles.

The simple fact is peaceful protests are not able to effect change in an efficient manner. As peaceful protests have proven to be largely ineffective is it any wonder that protesters graduate to less peaceful and more impactful measures? If it takes them burning down our society one piece at a time until real change is enacted, who are we to disagree with that?

How many black lives must be lost while we give ''peaceful protest'' a chance to work? Not one more, I say.

Question for the Bloombergers...


Hillary was a more formidable candidate than Joe Biden.

Hillary was (and is) smarter, far more politically savvy, less prone to making gaffes, more in touch, was full of good policy ideas and had a wider appeal than Joe Biden.

Hillary couldn’t beat Trump. What makes any of you think that Joe Biden will do better than Hillary Clinton?

Who needs to drop out to keep the contest fair?

At this point we have a lot of people splitting vote of our main voting blocks. Who should drop out next?

How do people think a Bernie/Biden ticket would do?

Would Biden take VP for a second time? Would they compliment each other?


I’m not sure why so many people think this is a joke. Bernie would anchor the left and Biden would anchor the center.

Neither is my first choice but my first choice dropped out and my second choice needs a miracle.

The Barr memo is the low point for us but it is the high point for Trump. And that isn't a bad thing

Like everyone else, I would have loved it if the Barr memo inculpated Trump in serious wrongdoing. I would have loved it if he had the stones to recommend prosecution or, at a minimum, impeachment and conviction. But that wasn't very likely and all of us (at least the ones paying attention) knew that.

It was almost a forgone conclusion that DOJ wasn't going to indict a sitting President.

It was also almost a forgone conclusion that the Republican Senate wasn't going to convict Trump, regardless of whether or not the House impeached him.

So, all that bad aside, here is what I think makes this actually not too bad:

The Barr memo, and the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, is the high point for Trump. It is only downhill from here for him. That memo was his get-out-of-jail-free card and he played it too early. If that memo was released in the days leading up to the 2020 election, it would have deflated our sails and could have helped him coast to a second term. But that isn't what happened and by 2020 the sting from the memo will have long faded.

What wont have faded is Trump's callous response to recent events, as he is sure to do, between now and then. There will be right wing terrorist attacks and he will blame "both sides." There will be major foreign policy blunders. There will be major domestic policy blunders, an economic slowdown, tax issues, unpopular trade wars, and many other major issues that will cast stink on Trump and his administration.

Not only that, but the longer the Republicans fight to withhold the actual report, the closer we will be to election day, and the fresher the true findings in that report will be in voters' minds. We know there are damaging details in the report - if there were not, Mueller would have cleared Trump. Barr's memo says as much - that Mueller couldn't exonerate Trump. There MUST be things in the report that are, at a minimum, severely concerning.

Let the Republicans delay. Let them bury the report completely. I can't think of a bigger motivating factor to get out the vote in a year and a half than if Republicans are STILL blocking the Mueller report, or substantial portions of it.

And lets not forget about all the other current investigations in SDNY, in NYS, etc. A lot more bad is going to come out about Trump before 2020.

TLDR; Trump peaked too early. It's only downhill from here for him.

Why isn't Trump gloating more?

I would expect him to have been tweeting a storm. Instead all we got was one bare bones “NO COLLUSION” tweet.

Something is going on behind the scenes.

Are Presidential pardons automatically public record / knowledge?

Could Trump have pardoned Jr behind closed doors? Or pardoned him preemptively, without that information being made public?

I’m just curious about the process.
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