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BumRushDaShow

(128,257 posts)
85. Sorry but
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:32 PM
Dec 2017

this argument doesn't fly -

The fact that we haven’t heard of dozens of new IRS and FBI investigators requesting office space, moving into the Trump Organizations offices, and requesting copies of all their records is a solid indication this is not happening. There’s no way that kind of investigation could be kept secret.


The government (both NY state and the feds) has records about Drumpf and his family going back at least 4 decades and info has already been provided as the agencies have been working together since the original FBI investigation back a year ago before Mueller was named, and has recently obtained records from Drumpf "associates" (my term) -


IRS Gives Trump Staff Financials to Mueller's Russia Investigation

By John Patrick Pullen September 26, 2017

The IRS has given Special Counsel Robert Mueller financial information for members of the Trump presidential campaign and administration. The documents may include tax returns and supporting information such as real estate or banking records, reports CNN.

The disclosure of the IRS’s cooperation with the special counsel investigation comes after it was recently revealed that Mueller’s investigators have locked in on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has extensive financial ties to Russia, and even allegedly offered to privately brief a friend of Putin’s in July 2016.

It’s not clear exactly whose records the special counsel was given, reports CNN, which notes that IRS Criminal Investigation agents have been working alongside the FBI on a Manafort probe since before the election. They are also sharing information on former Trump administration national security advisor Michael Flynn with Mueller’s team. Flynn’s finances have raised suspicions after it was revealed he received money from Russian interests before the campaign.

CNN also notes that the special counsel investigators may have requested President Trump’s tax returns, but if they did the request would have likely needed to be signed off on by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Normally that approval would be the responsibility of the attorney general, but Jeff Sessions has recused himself from the investigation over the role he played in the 2016 presidential election.

http://fortune.com/2017/09/26/irs-trump-mueller-russia/


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Like a U.S. attorney’s office, Mueller has the power to reach across Justice, the FBI and other federal departments to solicit issue experts on everything from cybersecurity to counterintelligence. He’s getting help from financial record and tax specialists at the Treasury Department and IRS, as evidenced by the indictment charging Manafort and Gates with 12 criminal counts, including money laundering and failing to disclose overseas bank accounts.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/robert-mueller-russia-probe-organization-244789


Staff listing as of 9/29/17

Your argument is basically suggesting that they are wrapping it up but he is just getting started. There is a pretty obvious strategy going on as the noose tightens and more "unknown" folks suddenly bubble in and provide info that doesn't make the news until other shoes suddenly drop and hit the airwaves.

Keep an eye on NY AG Schniederman (and Preet Bharara who works for him now) -

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How far Mr. Schneiderman is willing to go in taking on Mr. Trump could define his political career, particularly in a blue state where disapproval of the president is high. The potential of the attorney general’s office for troublemaking and generating national headlines was redefined in the early 2000s by Eliot Spitzer. Mr. Schneiderman is a less combative man who was often the target of Mr. Trump’s Twitter wrath amid a three-year civil investigation into Trump University. In the end, Mr. Schneiderman’s office extracted a $25 million settlement in the case.

Nonetheless, Mr. Schneiderman is seen by some as a possible backstop should the president exercise his pardon power to help those who might become ensnared in the investigation of possible Russian involvement in the 2016 presidential election being led by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. Federal pardons do not apply to violations of state law.

In the interview, Mr. Schneiderman would say little about his potential role as a criminal prosecutor in relation to the Trump administration, except that he hoped it would not come to that. Earlier this year, Mr. Schneiderman began a criminal inquiry focused on allegations of money laundering by Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman. But his office stood down, at least temporarily, out of deference to the special counsel’s inquiry; the offices did not work together, his staff said.

“I have a lot of respect for the work the special counsel’s doing,” he said. “They’ve put together a terrific team.” He added: “Just watching it from the outside, like everybody else, it seems like they’re doing a very thorough and serious job. I hope there’s not going to be any effort to derail them or shut them down. “If that happens, we’ll do — as I think would be a genuine sentiment around the country — we’ll do whatever we can do to see that justice is done. But I hope we don’t have to face a problem like that.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/nyregion/eric-schneiderman-attorney-general-new-york.html


I expect that the main focus on Drumpf himself is obstruction of justice, but the financials (including those from his family) are leading to the other crimes and teasing out/revealing those "crimes" can provide a "motive" for any "collusion" and what could amount to "influence peddling".
Malcolm Nance is right, it's a conspiracy. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #1
I also believe the high-ranking republican elected pols were in on this, too! TheDebbieDee Dec 2017 #2
Yes, exactly. lark Dec 2017 #73
#TrumpRussia 50 tweet MEGA-THREAD by Seth -- history's most explosive intel dossier ..... L. Coyote Dec 2017 #81
Wow, thanks for sharing this excellent synopsis, really pulls the whole picture together. lark Jan 2018 #103
Hearings will happen, meanwhile there is a deference to Mueller's investigation and its integrity. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #104
Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #23
And throw away the key. dchill Dec 2017 #27
I was glad to see that jerkoff Miller implicated dawg day Dec 2017 #76
How long before Mueller delivers? quartz007 Dec 2017 #77
Ooooh! I've got a feeling FakeNoose Dec 2017 #83
Trump is a principal in the conspiracy of Aiding & Abetting Computer Crimes; can be charged with it. NBachers Dec 2017 #3
Paragraph 26 AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #4
They all knew and went along with this treason. BSdetect Dec 2017 #5
It's a flippin' James Bond movie. nolabear Dec 2017 #6
or "All the President's Men" revisited. calimary Dec 2017 #91
True dat. They're thieves, pure and simple. nolabear Dec 2017 #92
I dont want impeachment benld74 Dec 2017 #7
Same here. I want serious retribution. Wwcd Dec 2017 #9
Impeach Neil Gorsuch Thunderbeast Dec 2017 #16
That too! dchill Dec 2017 #28
I looked it up and a member of the Supreme Court can be impeached. If it can be proved Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #33
Sweet.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #65
Yes, and the grounds are simple. tomp Dec 2017 #53
I'm with you on this leanforward Dec 2017 #20
This defacto7 Dec 2017 #24
The end of the GOP would be another alternative / add-on. But I'm with you. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #44
Remove all dump-appointed heads of govt Departments and Agencies. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #63
All Executive Orders reversed, as well. nt Ilsa Dec 2017 #70
Yes, yes, yes... N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2017 #71
When Cornyn blocked Obama's Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #8
coming back tomorrow to read this rurallib Dec 2017 #10
I wish these bloggers, reporter types would come up with some word other than pangaia Dec 2017 #11
why not link to the NYT article instead of giving this guy so much free self promotion? msongs Dec 2017 #12
If you're a news hound, no one can read the NYT unless babylonsister Dec 2017 #14
That's not true babylonsister bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #59
Why not click on the link that is provided in this thread bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #15
Start your own thread if you don't like it. phleshdef Dec 2017 #21
??? You are welcome to start your own post and quit complaining! nt USALiberal Dec 2017 #26
Seth Abramson is a respected law professor FakeNoose Dec 2017 #86
This Ultimately.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #13
I think that meeting was imprompto Merlot Dec 2017 #45
You are probably right.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #64
Very interesting LiberalBrooke Dec 2017 #67
comeys Cell phone, hotwired elehhhhna Dec 2017 #68
Big Boom indeed! This looks exceptionally bad for the entire GOP. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #17
Noted. leanforward Dec 2017 #22
Is this Fake News? BadGimp Dec 2017 #18
Tell your friend, "No. No they don't, Don." dchill Dec 2017 #30
This is laugh out loud funny! Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2017 #55
KNR Lucinda Dec 2017 #19
K&R... spanone Dec 2017 #25
Sorry to disappoint, but this has been all over DU and the internet since at least this morning. George II Dec 2017 #29
team trump knew about the emails mercuryblues Dec 2017 #31
Good thumbnail summary. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #42
Starting to detect a pattern ... when Two Scoops goes too far off the rails with his bullshit ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #32
Yes, NYT always checks it stories with principals, so Gang get alerted & go ape (in tRump's case) nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #36
Now, that quote from an unidentified member of the intel community calimary Dec 2017 #47
I've been thinking for a while now... better Dec 2017 #49
Donnie Two Scoops Scarsdale Dec 2017 #69
Thank you for posting it all; it's a gadawful thing to have to do (hard enough to read). . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #34
It took a couple of minutes. bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #57
From Sen. Blumenthal via Twitter. sarcasmo Dec 2017 #35
When did he post that tweet? bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #58
Yesterday NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #80
NICE !!! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #102
RW line today was that Sen Lindsey Graham had "confirmed" that the Steele Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #37
And, it was recently shown NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #72
Kind of annoying how Seth Abramson thinks he knows more than the NY Times oberliner Dec 2017 #38
Meanwhile NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #74
abramson is trying to inform the public so no one can cover all this up questionseverything Dec 2017 #88
As I recall, Abramson was first one emphasizing the important Mayflower event wishstar Dec 2017 #96
NY Times has raw facts MaryMagdaline Jan 2018 #105
Mueller is still going to have to prove that improved relations with Russia Calista241 Dec 2017 #39
Denying collusion 16 times is not acting like he's going down? bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #46
I would bet my last dollar Trump never got on the phone and said Calista241 Dec 2017 #50
Trump fired Comey and by all accounts John Fante Dec 2017 #51
Trump can say that he fired Comey for legit reasons. Calista241 Dec 2017 #52
I don't see how this in any way invalidates the previous post. triron Dec 2017 #54
I suppose it doesnt. Calista241 Dec 2017 #60
Solid convo here ... lot of good points raised ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #62
Comey firing memo came from Rosenstein! quartz007 Dec 2017 #79
Your assumptions are completely wrong Juliusseizure Dec 2017 #89
Excellent! triron Dec 2017 #90
This. So much this Arazi Dec 2017 #48
RICO. BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #66
A RICO prosecution for money laundering is not in the cards. Calista241 Dec 2017 #78
Sorry but BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #85
They need significantly more than just tax records to prove a money laundering case. Calista241 Dec 2017 #87
Why are you assuming they are as incompetent BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #93
I have said no such thing Calista241 Dec 2017 #95
What? BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #97
If George Papa NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #75
"improved Russia relations" is only one of tons of quid pro quo's that could be established no? tia uponit7771 Dec 2017 #100
As If We Didn't Know Me. Dec 2017 #40
Yes, must be. But his NYT leaker got confused / upstaged by the tRump interview. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #41
This piece has been a long time in the making bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #43
K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #56
Coffee Boy? dlk Dec 2017 #61
Wine boy underpants Dec 2017 #82
There's actually more to this thread in case RandomAccess Dec 2017 #84
Hope that's close (to 90+%)! triron Dec 2017 #94
The problem, however NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #98
That was a mystery -- I didn't find any tweets in the middle RandomAccess Dec 2017 #99
Seth added to the thread today bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #101
OMG. Thanks. His additions are REALLY important IMO RandomAccess Jan 2018 #106
Meanwhile, over in the land of "fearless and adversarial" journalism: Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #107
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