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Azathoth

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35. This is disingenuous. She was also quite popular when she was Secretary of State
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jan 2018

People don't have an issue with her being successful or doing a good job. They have an issue with her when she is under the campaign spotlight (and an FBI investigation.) She does not weather political attacks well.

The saddest part is that so many women feel this way lunamagica Jan 2018 #1
++++++Agree lunamagica...it is so sad that many women are the worst enemy of women iluvtennis Jan 2018 #62
Could be true for some Egnever Jan 2018 #2
The IWR Double Standard delisen Jan 2018 #11
Clinton could have put a million miles between her and the IWR vote Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #17
Have you not been listening? or not wanting to listen delisen Jan 2018 #27
Biden or Edwards would have worn it around their necks too Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #41
Kerry sure didn't mcar Jan 2018 #67
Where were you in 2004? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #84
"Kerry stands by 'yes' vote on Iraq war" August 2004 ehrnst Jan 2018 #120
This! mcar Jan 2018 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Jan 2018 #85
She explained that she wasn't voting for a war ehrnst Jan 2018 #115
But she's an ambitious, tricksy, false warmonger mcar Jan 2018 #186
I hear tell Goody Proctor saw her strike a white millennial man impotent with just a look. ehrnst Jan 2018 #190
But there's no double standard mcar Jan 2018 #195
For those of us who were here at the time Egnever Jan 2018 #46
She needed to speak to hubby? that is cute. n/t delisen Jan 2018 #47
Husband happens to be the one that installed the sanctions Egnever Jan 2018 #57
"if she couldn't understand it?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #121
Apparently Egnever Jan 2018 #123
Perhaps actually giving the lady politician's actual words a minute or two of analysis ehrnst Jan 2018 #124
Her words are bullshit Egnever Jan 2018 #127
Kerry's "bullshit" about the his war vote didn't disqualify him as a candidate ehrnst Jan 2018 #129
Sure it did Egnever Jan 2018 #136
Nice evasion... ehrnst Jan 2018 #138
Try what Egnever Jan 2018 #141
Again with the disingenuous redirection ehrnst Jan 2018 #145
I think you are either young and weren't there at the time Egnever Jan 2018 #147
Is JPR down? ehrnst Jan 2018 #148
Cause I find your nonsense entertaining Egnever Jan 2018 #151
Nonsense?!! I see you're taking the gloves off now.... ehrnst Jan 2018 #153
I disagree. The IWR was a much bigger issue for Clinton than it was for Kerry. StevieM Jan 2018 #189
So you're saying that Hillary was stupid, or a liar and playing with people's lives? ehrnst Jan 2018 #140
That's exactly what I am saying Egnever Jan 2018 #144
How do you think Hillary got to be so, as you state, stupid, lying and cavalier with peoples lives? ehrnst Jan 2018 #146
You are trying so hard Egnever Jan 2018 #149
What does it say about you that you keep coming back to 'splain to me? ehrnst Jan 2018 #150
Well you are certainly hitting all the cliche's Egnever Jan 2018 #152
Just kills you that you don't have any real backup for what is clearly ehrnst Jan 2018 #154
So funny Egnever Jan 2018 #157
Keep on trying so hard to get in that last word... ehrnst Jan 2018 #159
No there weren't any candidates in 2016 I was enthusiastic about Egnever Jan 2018 #155
But did you hate the other way you do HRC? ehrnst Jan 2018 #158
If you want to discuss Bernie I am happy to do so Egnever Jan 2018 #160
Like that ridiculous notion that Obama was disliked because he was black. ehrnst Jan 2018 #162
You know that there is a search feature on DU, right? ehrnst Jan 2018 #163
Search away Egnever Jan 2018 #167
LOL... another disingenuous attempt at a topic change. ehrnst Jan 2018 #171
It's not surprising. JHan Jan 2018 #213
She's poll tested! mcar Jan 2018 #188
She BEWITCHED the superdelegates with "accomplishments" and "working with progressives!" ehrnst Jan 2018 #196
Men talked to Wall Street too but don't mention that! mcar Jan 2018 #200
This is quite illuminating mcar Jan 2018 #187
Unfortunately, not for those who really needed it. ehrnst Jan 2018 #197
I fear it never will mcar Jan 2018 #205
Not on this thread, anyway. ehrnst Jan 2018 #208
This is why I dont get into battles about sexism here anymore ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #198
Sexism runs deep - at times deeper than racism. ehrnst Jan 2018 #207
She was the most popular politician in America in 2012. She hasn't served one more day StevieM Jan 2018 #191
Other than the life changing work that the Clinton Foundation was able to do ehrnst Jan 2018 #212
Good point. I edited my post to be clear that I was talking serving in political office. StevieM Jan 2018 #215
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #135
That time, anyway. ehrnst Jan 2018 #143
She did say that. LisaM Jan 2018 #49
Not in time to neutralize Obama's Iraq high-ground in 2008 Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #59
Well Kerry sure didn't seem to draw the same hatred for digging in on his vote ehrnst Jan 2018 #132
Cringing every time he stumbled through the issue Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #156
But can you show me that he was flamed the way HRC was for that vote? ehrnst Jan 2018 #161
Did you see very many Howard Dean campaign speeches? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #164
Nearly 20 minutes long - can you tell me where that happens in the video? ehrnst Jan 2018 #176
Yeah, that was SUCH a dealbreaker for Kerry & Biden's nomination, wasn't it? ehrnst Jan 2018 #114
Exactly, did they not vote for Kerry either? treestar Jan 2018 #20
Nope didn't vote for Kerry in the primaries either Egnever Jan 2018 #24
Always. He volunteered to head the DNC. He would not Alice11111 Jan 2018 #103
Thank you for the video. Love Dean. As he said, he represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Alice11111 Jan 2018 #105
Quite the list Egnever Jan 2018 #22
It is a fact. None of the other candidates delisen Jan 2018 #33
A fact? Egnever Jan 2018 #36
Have you forgotten about Dean and Lugar-R delisen Jan 2018 #50
Nope Egnever Jan 2018 #54
Justresponding to your post about the IWR delisen Jan 2018 #58
But conveniently ignoring that the target was Kerry and Edwards. Egnever Jan 2018 #60
Women are always judged more harshly... whathehell Jan 2018 #42
For me it was no fly zone in Syria and her primary campaign in 2008. David__77 Jan 2018 #61
Agree her campaign team was a disaster &DNC. Comey. Russia. Cheati. Still think she would have been Alice11111 Jan 2018 #106
So who did those that campaigned against her favor? Wwcd Jan 2018 #77
Yup, and her reaction to Qaddafi's downfall/sodomization Arazi Jan 2018 #94
Out of curiosity I looked up her popularity timeline. It's been up and down several times Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #3
It peaked in her last years as Flotus. pnwmom Jan 2018 #14
It was high during her SOS years mcar Jan 2018 #68
After she got the job- same as the senate- a big dip when running and bounce back after you get the bettyellen Jan 2018 #79
I miss her too mcar Jan 2018 #81
I remember that also. brer cat Jan 2018 #90
Good work. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #108
As much of the animus v. Obama cilla4progress Jan 2018 #4
Most all of it in fact. Duppers Jan 2018 #40
I think that there are many successful women who are 'likeable'... Baconator Jan 2018 #5
Name one who maintained likability through a successful run for the President. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #12
The first female GOPer POTUS candidate will leftstreet Jan 2018 #29
I never considered Sarah Palin likeable crazycatlady Jan 2018 #45
One what? Candidate? Woman? Primary contender? Baconator Jan 2018 #72
We were discussing women, and you said: pnwmom Jan 2018 #74
Yeah, "likeability" was SO vital for all the other candidates for president... ehrnst Jan 2018 #137
If she was just younger.... ehrnst Jan 2018 #15
Don't think younger matters, unless she was eye candy. Yep, she should have had gender change. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #107
Many do find her 'likeable"...Just not wingnuts and sexist men whathehell Jan 2018 #44
Sure... millions as a raw total... Baconator Jan 2018 #73
And who do we have to thank for much of that? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #110
So it's our fault for not being enamored with her... Baconator Jan 2018 #112
Nice strawman. ehrnst Jan 2018 #116
If more people than usual don't like someone.... Baconator Jan 2018 #166
Here is the definition of straw man: ehrnst Jan 2018 #172
Declaring something a strawman doesn't make it so... Baconator Jan 2018 #173
Denying it doesn't make your statement anything else ehrnst Jan 2018 #175
"they are often penalized when they behave in ways that violate gender stereotypes" GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #6
Her ratings were very high as senator and SecState. Hortensis Jan 2018 #7
k and r for a truly depressing truth. niyad Jan 2018 #8
misogyny, sexism and patriarchy--what an evil trio. niyad Jan 2018 #9
Yeah ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #10
Actually, her favorability ratings have always fluctuated and were never close to 80 percent onenote Jan 2018 #13
The Roper Center says it was 80% in 1998. pnwmom Jan 2018 #16
The Roper Center needs to back up that claim onenote Jan 2018 #19
Gallup says she was at 80% in 1999. pnwmom Jan 2018 #25
This Gallup poll from February 1999 says otherwise. onenote Jan 2018 #31
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #18
A lot of truth in that... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #21
Right Wing Media TimeToGo Jan 2018 #23
They are definitely at fault. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #38
No dembotoz Jan 2018 #26
I don't think making millions in speaking fees from Wall St. banks and corporations helped either. jalan48 Jan 2018 #28
The financial industry is centered in NY. Name a Democrat who has won without New York donors. pnwmom Jan 2018 #34
Bad optics is what Hillary called it. jalan48 Jan 2018 #37
I hope every Democratic candidate from now on does it. I don't think any Democrat should bow to stevenleser Jan 2018 #96
especially when those types were just ok with and supported trump JI7 Jan 2018 #104
Do what? jalan48 Jan 2018 #109
Can you define "bowing to silly demagoguery?" (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #119
Sort of like going from railing against "the millionaire class" ehrnst Jan 2018 #118
More like taking millions in speaking fees from big Wall St. firms and banks after leaving office. jalan48 Jan 2018 #122
As opposed to before leaving office? ehrnst Jan 2018 #126
Does it matter? jalan48 Jan 2018 #128
Nice deflection. ehrnst Jan 2018 #130
I don't think Wall St. cares if it's a woman or a man when it comes to dolling out money. jalan48 Jan 2018 #131
Another attempted redirection... ehrnst Jan 2018 #134
Oh my-we're down to "you" statements. Did pointing out that Democratic candidates who make millions jalan48 Jan 2018 #139
Another frantic topic change. ehrnst Jan 2018 #174
Like the old adage goes, "Money talks, bullshit walks". jalan48 Jan 2018 #177
Giving up on any attempt to justify your very deeply emotional view of Hillary with data ehrnst Jan 2018 #178
I feel for ya jalan48 Jan 2018 #179
Got under your skin that deeply? ehrnst Jan 2018 #180
Projection is rampant I see. jalan48 Jan 2018 #181
And so is, "I know you are, but what am I?" apparently. ehrnst Jan 2018 #182
Woah, looks like the wine thing is taking effect. jalan48 Jan 2018 #183
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #184
She did release full tax returns for multiple years, however. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #192
Financial transparency. Ironic, isn't it? ehrnst Jan 2018 #199
I used to criticize her to myself for being too close to Wall STreet, but then I started paying Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #201
She only did that cause the polls told her to mcar Jan 2018 #202
Polish people told her to? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #203
Uh huh mcar Jan 2018 #206
Yeah, like when she voted against gun control as a senator because her constituents and donors ehrnst Jan 2018 #204
Stop injecting facts into this! mcar Jan 2018 #209
Taking millions from Wall Street didn't seem to harm Obama as a candidate. ehrnst Jan 2018 #117
I've wondered about this regarding Nancy Pelosi too marylandblue Jan 2018 #30
Good point mcar Jan 2018 #69
I remember the Hillary hate started earlier nationally than the Bill hate bobbieinok Jan 2018 #32
This is disingenuous. She was also quite popular when she was Secretary of State Azathoth Jan 2018 #35
Not the knuckle-dragging rethugs I know. Duppers Jan 2018 #43
Yet ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #52
She weathered the political attacks, including misogynistic attacks, pnwmom Jan 2018 #53
President Barack Obama really is nice, warm, friendly, and nurturing. IronLionZion Jan 2018 #39
Oppressed peoples tend to internalize the disesteem in which they whathehell Jan 2018 #48
Sad 2left4u Jan 2018 #51
I agree. brer cat Jan 2018 #92
K and r. nt cwydro Jan 2018 #55
Sure but Loki Liesmith Jan 2018 #56
K&R Gothmog Jan 2018 #63
Absolutely correct! rock Jan 2018 #64
She lost me with the the stand by your man routine loyalsister Jan 2018 #65
In general, her support was highest during that period -- during and after her "stand by your man" pnwmom Jan 2018 #70
Yep loyalsister Jan 2018 #71
I thought then and I still believe now that their marriage was no one else's business... stevenleser Jan 2018 #97
I thought that then, as well loyalsister Jan 2018 #165
I would really like the media and those on the left who pushed this mcar Jan 2018 #66
She barely gets support on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, let alone anywhere else, how in Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #75
Well said, Eliot! mcar Jan 2018 #82
Do you seriously want to talk about GaryCnf Jan 2018 #86
+1, "the Clinton's do more in one day for those in need " uponit7771 Jan 2018 #95
Right again... LakeArenal Jan 2018 #194
Well said, and the conclusions are obvious to some of us here. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #76
I would like to add... Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #78
I think "calculating" is one of those words they mostly use for women. pnwmom Jan 2018 #80
Odd... Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #87
Yeah, that's what the female writer of that piece was saying, too. She didn't mean to be pnwmom Jan 2018 #88
Misogyny has many roots but one main one... Duppers Jan 2018 #83
I remember enormous hate for her Raine Jan 2018 #89
It is most certainly sexism, no doubt about it. George II Jan 2018 #91
Exactamundo! nt oasis Jan 2018 #93
Hillary is a very confident, intelligent and determined woman. roamer65 Jan 2018 #98
The perception is far older than 2016 nitpicker Jan 2018 #99
You know that it isn't up to her how the Secret Service does their job and yet pnwmom Jan 2018 #100
That is why you don't care for her?? That?!! Wwcd Jan 2018 #102
Wow! mcar Jan 2018 #193
They were after her when she was First Lady of Arkansas LeftInTX Jan 2018 #101
And she was most popular when she was Secretary of State onenote Jan 2018 #125
I think there's another layer to that. Orsino Jan 2018 #111
+1 pnwmom Jan 2018 #133
she is heaven05 Jan 2018 #113
Why is not possible to simply find Hillary unlikable? Atman Jan 2018 #142
Because simply finding someone unlikable is irrelevant. stevenleser Jan 2018 #168
The irony here is delicious Atman Jan 2018 #210
The irony for you personally might be something, but it is irrelevant to the rest of us. nt stevenleser Jan 2018 #217
Because our culture views successful, powerful women IN GENERAL as unlikable. pnwmom Jan 2018 #170
Amazing how many on DU are victims Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #169
It's a hard thing for some to admit they were had. ehrnst Jan 2018 #211
You gotta wonder if Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #216
Rewarding decades of GOP smears. JHan Jan 2018 #214
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