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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
99. The perception is far older than 2016
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:07 AM
Jan 2018

I know that part of this is the "Secret Service for life" thing, and the restrictions on Joe Blow encountering HRC that that brings.

BUT:

In 2007, on a certain military base, an entire parking lot was reserved for HRC and her SUV.

All the other Democratic candidates rode into the base on a tour bus for the event.

This did nothing to dispel the perception of "Queen Hillary".

The saddest part is that so many women feel this way lunamagica Jan 2018 #1
++++++Agree lunamagica...it is so sad that many women are the worst enemy of women iluvtennis Jan 2018 #62
Could be true for some Egnever Jan 2018 #2
The IWR Double Standard delisen Jan 2018 #11
Clinton could have put a million miles between her and the IWR vote Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #17
Have you not been listening? or not wanting to listen delisen Jan 2018 #27
Biden or Edwards would have worn it around their necks too Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #41
Kerry sure didn't mcar Jan 2018 #67
Where were you in 2004? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #84
"Kerry stands by 'yes' vote on Iraq war" August 2004 ehrnst Jan 2018 #120
This! mcar Jan 2018 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Jan 2018 #85
She explained that she wasn't voting for a war ehrnst Jan 2018 #115
But she's an ambitious, tricksy, false warmonger mcar Jan 2018 #186
I hear tell Goody Proctor saw her strike a white millennial man impotent with just a look. ehrnst Jan 2018 #190
But there's no double standard mcar Jan 2018 #195
For those of us who were here at the time Egnever Jan 2018 #46
She needed to speak to hubby? that is cute. n/t delisen Jan 2018 #47
Husband happens to be the one that installed the sanctions Egnever Jan 2018 #57
"if she couldn't understand it?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #121
Apparently Egnever Jan 2018 #123
Perhaps actually giving the lady politician's actual words a minute or two of analysis ehrnst Jan 2018 #124
Her words are bullshit Egnever Jan 2018 #127
Kerry's "bullshit" about the his war vote didn't disqualify him as a candidate ehrnst Jan 2018 #129
Sure it did Egnever Jan 2018 #136
Nice evasion... ehrnst Jan 2018 #138
Try what Egnever Jan 2018 #141
Again with the disingenuous redirection ehrnst Jan 2018 #145
I think you are either young and weren't there at the time Egnever Jan 2018 #147
Is JPR down? ehrnst Jan 2018 #148
Cause I find your nonsense entertaining Egnever Jan 2018 #151
Nonsense?!! I see you're taking the gloves off now.... ehrnst Jan 2018 #153
I disagree. The IWR was a much bigger issue for Clinton than it was for Kerry. StevieM Jan 2018 #189
So you're saying that Hillary was stupid, or a liar and playing with people's lives? ehrnst Jan 2018 #140
That's exactly what I am saying Egnever Jan 2018 #144
How do you think Hillary got to be so, as you state, stupid, lying and cavalier with peoples lives? ehrnst Jan 2018 #146
You are trying so hard Egnever Jan 2018 #149
What does it say about you that you keep coming back to 'splain to me? ehrnst Jan 2018 #150
Well you are certainly hitting all the cliche's Egnever Jan 2018 #152
Just kills you that you don't have any real backup for what is clearly ehrnst Jan 2018 #154
So funny Egnever Jan 2018 #157
Keep on trying so hard to get in that last word... ehrnst Jan 2018 #159
No there weren't any candidates in 2016 I was enthusiastic about Egnever Jan 2018 #155
But did you hate the other way you do HRC? ehrnst Jan 2018 #158
If you want to discuss Bernie I am happy to do so Egnever Jan 2018 #160
Like that ridiculous notion that Obama was disliked because he was black. ehrnst Jan 2018 #162
You know that there is a search feature on DU, right? ehrnst Jan 2018 #163
Search away Egnever Jan 2018 #167
LOL... another disingenuous attempt at a topic change. ehrnst Jan 2018 #171
It's not surprising. JHan Jan 2018 #213
She's poll tested! mcar Jan 2018 #188
She BEWITCHED the superdelegates with "accomplishments" and "working with progressives!" ehrnst Jan 2018 #196
Men talked to Wall Street too but don't mention that! mcar Jan 2018 #200
This is quite illuminating mcar Jan 2018 #187
Unfortunately, not for those who really needed it. ehrnst Jan 2018 #197
I fear it never will mcar Jan 2018 #205
Not on this thread, anyway. ehrnst Jan 2018 #208
This is why I dont get into battles about sexism here anymore ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #198
Sexism runs deep - at times deeper than racism. ehrnst Jan 2018 #207
She was the most popular politician in America in 2012. She hasn't served one more day StevieM Jan 2018 #191
Other than the life changing work that the Clinton Foundation was able to do ehrnst Jan 2018 #212
Good point. I edited my post to be clear that I was talking serving in political office. StevieM Jan 2018 #215
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #135
That time, anyway. ehrnst Jan 2018 #143
She did say that. LisaM Jan 2018 #49
Not in time to neutralize Obama's Iraq high-ground in 2008 Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #59
Well Kerry sure didn't seem to draw the same hatred for digging in on his vote ehrnst Jan 2018 #132
Cringing every time he stumbled through the issue Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #156
But can you show me that he was flamed the way HRC was for that vote? ehrnst Jan 2018 #161
Did you see very many Howard Dean campaign speeches? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2018 #164
Nearly 20 minutes long - can you tell me where that happens in the video? ehrnst Jan 2018 #176
Yeah, that was SUCH a dealbreaker for Kerry & Biden's nomination, wasn't it? ehrnst Jan 2018 #114
Exactly, did they not vote for Kerry either? treestar Jan 2018 #20
Nope didn't vote for Kerry in the primaries either Egnever Jan 2018 #24
Always. He volunteered to head the DNC. He would not Alice11111 Jan 2018 #103
Thank you for the video. Love Dean. As he said, he represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Alice11111 Jan 2018 #105
Quite the list Egnever Jan 2018 #22
It is a fact. None of the other candidates delisen Jan 2018 #33
A fact? Egnever Jan 2018 #36
Have you forgotten about Dean and Lugar-R delisen Jan 2018 #50
Nope Egnever Jan 2018 #54
Justresponding to your post about the IWR delisen Jan 2018 #58
But conveniently ignoring that the target was Kerry and Edwards. Egnever Jan 2018 #60
Women are always judged more harshly... whathehell Jan 2018 #42
For me it was no fly zone in Syria and her primary campaign in 2008. David__77 Jan 2018 #61
Agree her campaign team was a disaster &DNC. Comey. Russia. Cheati. Still think she would have been Alice11111 Jan 2018 #106
So who did those that campaigned against her favor? Wwcd Jan 2018 #77
Yup, and her reaction to Qaddafi's downfall/sodomization Arazi Jan 2018 #94
Out of curiosity I looked up her popularity timeline. It's been up and down several times Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #3
It peaked in her last years as Flotus. pnwmom Jan 2018 #14
It was high during her SOS years mcar Jan 2018 #68
After she got the job- same as the senate- a big dip when running and bounce back after you get the bettyellen Jan 2018 #79
I miss her too mcar Jan 2018 #81
I remember that also. brer cat Jan 2018 #90
Good work. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #108
As much of the animus v. Obama cilla4progress Jan 2018 #4
Most all of it in fact. Duppers Jan 2018 #40
I think that there are many successful women who are 'likeable'... Baconator Jan 2018 #5
Name one who maintained likability through a successful run for the President. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #12
The first female GOPer POTUS candidate will leftstreet Jan 2018 #29
I never considered Sarah Palin likeable crazycatlady Jan 2018 #45
One what? Candidate? Woman? Primary contender? Baconator Jan 2018 #72
We were discussing women, and you said: pnwmom Jan 2018 #74
Yeah, "likeability" was SO vital for all the other candidates for president... ehrnst Jan 2018 #137
If she was just younger.... ehrnst Jan 2018 #15
Don't think younger matters, unless she was eye candy. Yep, she should have had gender change. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #107
Many do find her 'likeable"...Just not wingnuts and sexist men whathehell Jan 2018 #44
Sure... millions as a raw total... Baconator Jan 2018 #73
And who do we have to thank for much of that? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #110
So it's our fault for not being enamored with her... Baconator Jan 2018 #112
Nice strawman. ehrnst Jan 2018 #116
If more people than usual don't like someone.... Baconator Jan 2018 #166
Here is the definition of straw man: ehrnst Jan 2018 #172
Declaring something a strawman doesn't make it so... Baconator Jan 2018 #173
Denying it doesn't make your statement anything else ehrnst Jan 2018 #175
"they are often penalized when they behave in ways that violate gender stereotypes" GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #6
Her ratings were very high as senator and SecState. Hortensis Jan 2018 #7
k and r for a truly depressing truth. niyad Jan 2018 #8
misogyny, sexism and patriarchy--what an evil trio. niyad Jan 2018 #9
Yeah ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #10
Actually, her favorability ratings have always fluctuated and were never close to 80 percent onenote Jan 2018 #13
The Roper Center says it was 80% in 1998. pnwmom Jan 2018 #16
The Roper Center needs to back up that claim onenote Jan 2018 #19
Gallup says she was at 80% in 1999. pnwmom Jan 2018 #25
This Gallup poll from February 1999 says otherwise. onenote Jan 2018 #31
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #18
A lot of truth in that... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #21
Right Wing Media TimeToGo Jan 2018 #23
They are definitely at fault. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #38
No dembotoz Jan 2018 #26
I don't think making millions in speaking fees from Wall St. banks and corporations helped either. jalan48 Jan 2018 #28
The financial industry is centered in NY. Name a Democrat who has won without New York donors. pnwmom Jan 2018 #34
Bad optics is what Hillary called it. jalan48 Jan 2018 #37
I hope every Democratic candidate from now on does it. I don't think any Democrat should bow to stevenleser Jan 2018 #96
especially when those types were just ok with and supported trump JI7 Jan 2018 #104
Do what? jalan48 Jan 2018 #109
Can you define "bowing to silly demagoguery?" (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #119
Sort of like going from railing against "the millionaire class" ehrnst Jan 2018 #118
More like taking millions in speaking fees from big Wall St. firms and banks after leaving office. jalan48 Jan 2018 #122
As opposed to before leaving office? ehrnst Jan 2018 #126
Does it matter? jalan48 Jan 2018 #128
Nice deflection. ehrnst Jan 2018 #130
I don't think Wall St. cares if it's a woman or a man when it comes to dolling out money. jalan48 Jan 2018 #131
Another attempted redirection... ehrnst Jan 2018 #134
Oh my-we're down to "you" statements. Did pointing out that Democratic candidates who make millions jalan48 Jan 2018 #139
Another frantic topic change. ehrnst Jan 2018 #174
Like the old adage goes, "Money talks, bullshit walks". jalan48 Jan 2018 #177
Giving up on any attempt to justify your very deeply emotional view of Hillary with data ehrnst Jan 2018 #178
I feel for ya jalan48 Jan 2018 #179
Got under your skin that deeply? ehrnst Jan 2018 #180
Projection is rampant I see. jalan48 Jan 2018 #181
And so is, "I know you are, but what am I?" apparently. ehrnst Jan 2018 #182
Woah, looks like the wine thing is taking effect. jalan48 Jan 2018 #183
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #184
She did release full tax returns for multiple years, however. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #192
Financial transparency. Ironic, isn't it? ehrnst Jan 2018 #199
I used to criticize her to myself for being too close to Wall STreet, but then I started paying Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #201
She only did that cause the polls told her to mcar Jan 2018 #202
Polish people told her to? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #203
Uh huh mcar Jan 2018 #206
Yeah, like when she voted against gun control as a senator because her constituents and donors ehrnst Jan 2018 #204
Stop injecting facts into this! mcar Jan 2018 #209
Taking millions from Wall Street didn't seem to harm Obama as a candidate. ehrnst Jan 2018 #117
I've wondered about this regarding Nancy Pelosi too marylandblue Jan 2018 #30
Good point mcar Jan 2018 #69
I remember the Hillary hate started earlier nationally than the Bill hate bobbieinok Jan 2018 #32
This is disingenuous. She was also quite popular when she was Secretary of State Azathoth Jan 2018 #35
Not the knuckle-dragging rethugs I know. Duppers Jan 2018 #43
Yet ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #52
She weathered the political attacks, including misogynistic attacks, pnwmom Jan 2018 #53
President Barack Obama really is nice, warm, friendly, and nurturing. IronLionZion Jan 2018 #39
Oppressed peoples tend to internalize the disesteem in which they whathehell Jan 2018 #48
Sad 2left4u Jan 2018 #51
I agree. brer cat Jan 2018 #92
K and r. nt cwydro Jan 2018 #55
Sure but Loki Liesmith Jan 2018 #56
K&R Gothmog Jan 2018 #63
Absolutely correct! rock Jan 2018 #64
She lost me with the the stand by your man routine loyalsister Jan 2018 #65
In general, her support was highest during that period -- during and after her "stand by your man" pnwmom Jan 2018 #70
Yep loyalsister Jan 2018 #71
I thought then and I still believe now that their marriage was no one else's business... stevenleser Jan 2018 #97
I thought that then, as well loyalsister Jan 2018 #165
I would really like the media and those on the left who pushed this mcar Jan 2018 #66
She barely gets support on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, let alone anywhere else, how in Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #75
Well said, Eliot! mcar Jan 2018 #82
Do you seriously want to talk about GaryCnf Jan 2018 #86
+1, "the Clinton's do more in one day for those in need " uponit7771 Jan 2018 #95
Right again... LakeArenal Jan 2018 #194
Well said, and the conclusions are obvious to some of us here. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #76
I would like to add... Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #78
I think "calculating" is one of those words they mostly use for women. pnwmom Jan 2018 #80
Odd... Mike Nelson Jan 2018 #87
Yeah, that's what the female writer of that piece was saying, too. She didn't mean to be pnwmom Jan 2018 #88
Misogyny has many roots but one main one... Duppers Jan 2018 #83
I remember enormous hate for her Raine Jan 2018 #89
It is most certainly sexism, no doubt about it. George II Jan 2018 #91
Exactamundo! nt oasis Jan 2018 #93
Hillary is a very confident, intelligent and determined woman. roamer65 Jan 2018 #98
The perception is far older than 2016 nitpicker Jan 2018 #99
You know that it isn't up to her how the Secret Service does their job and yet pnwmom Jan 2018 #100
That is why you don't care for her?? That?!! Wwcd Jan 2018 #102
Wow! mcar Jan 2018 #193
They were after her when she was First Lady of Arkansas LeftInTX Jan 2018 #101
And she was most popular when she was Secretary of State onenote Jan 2018 #125
I think there's another layer to that. Orsino Jan 2018 #111
+1 pnwmom Jan 2018 #133
she is heaven05 Jan 2018 #113
Why is not possible to simply find Hillary unlikable? Atman Jan 2018 #142
Because simply finding someone unlikable is irrelevant. stevenleser Jan 2018 #168
The irony here is delicious Atman Jan 2018 #210
The irony for you personally might be something, but it is irrelevant to the rest of us. nt stevenleser Jan 2018 #217
Because our culture views successful, powerful women IN GENERAL as unlikable. pnwmom Jan 2018 #170
Amazing how many on DU are victims Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #169
It's a hard thing for some to admit they were had. ehrnst Jan 2018 #211
You gotta wonder if Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #216
Rewarding decades of GOP smears. JHan Jan 2018 #214
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