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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
91. Assuming that this in response to Oprah?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 11:52 AM
Jan 2018


I feel pretty confident in stating that nearly any serious Democratic contender in 2020 would fit the bill of being a thousand light years more competent than Dump. I'm weary after not even a full year of Trump. If things continue their current trajectory, I can't imagine many (any?) people seriously would want a full 8 years of this. But I agree, no "vanity candidates", please. We get another crack at Trump in 2020. We need to make sure we are ready this time.
K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2018 #1
Maybe there should be a test that must be passed to run for national offices. olegramps Jan 2018 #138
While I dont disagree with your reasoning SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #158
We have a convicted felon running for office in WV Maggiemayhem Jan 2018 #198
Can you impeach for incompetence? olegramps Jan 2018 #333
They purposely left it vague SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #338
The framers of the Constitution placed restrictions on who could vote. olegramps Jan 2018 #334
I've argued for years... green917 Jan 2018 #183
that certainly makes sense. niyad Jan 2018 #196
I passed that immigrant test gopiscrap Jan 2018 #288
Iice also taken and passed it. green917 Jan 2018 #325
yup, I bet you're are correct on that gopiscrap Jan 2018 #332
I don't have the article at hand, but the ability of the average citizen to pass was dismal. olegramps Jan 2018 #335
agreed gopiscrap Jan 2018 #337
Also, Can We Have a Democratic Nominee TomCADem Jan 2018 #295
I think debates, a free press and elections were supposed to cover this OhioBlue Jan 2018 #319
Agreed, someone who served as a governor and as a legislator-state as well as congress. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #2
She doesn't know how to get things done????????? Do you have any... LAS14 Jan 2018 #209
I suppose you are referring to Oprah Winfrey TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #242
Ahhh...her name hasn't been mentioned but it seems we're talking about Oprah Winfrey, right? brush Jan 2018 #231
See my reply #242 TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #244
I read it. With Winfrey we're not talking dotard, or even Reagan. She has actual intelligence. brush Jan 2018 #252
I stand that being successful in business and charismatic is not a replacement TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #255
Any new president now with our divided political climate will encounter opposition. brush Jan 2018 #265
Ike had the experience of being a top general who dealt with the government. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #270
That would be nice. I'd be happy with a Dem pres. with just the House, or the Senate. brush Jan 2018 #278
and Ike wasn't that great either gopiscrap Jan 2018 #289
You forgot racism. LAS14 Jan 2018 #260
YES! And that too. Oprah is formidable, and IMO could beat trump. brush Jan 2018 #266
exactly gopiscrap Jan 2018 #290
Unfortunately, anyone who runs on a platform of competence is pretty much guaranteed to lose. Girard442 Jan 2018 #3
I completely disagree. MineralMan Jan 2018 #4
I agree PatSeg Jan 2018 #36
Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Hilary Clinton msdogi Jan 2018 #170
Yes. You are correct. MineralMan Jan 2018 #171
Also Al Gore jg10003 Jan 2018 #247
Neither Bill nor Obama ran on competence as their campaign theme OhioBlue Jan 2018 #321
Hopefully, we get both. These days, it takes a visionary to Alice11111 Jan 2018 #205
I'm sorry to say then... druidity33 Jan 2018 #293
Oh fer pete sakes - the two are not mutually exclusive. nt Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2018 #15
It's a little like shopping for a house. Girard442 Jan 2018 #21
You haven't paid attention to your own analogy. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #37
Picture this: Leonard and Penny from the Big Bang Theory are running in a primary. Girard442 Jan 2018 #51
Fuck TV. We've had enough TV & movie star incompetents in the Presidency! : eyes : . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #53
LOL. Not suggesting we actually run Johnny Galecki or Kaley Cuoco. Girard442 Jan 2018 #82
Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump ?? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #118
Reagan was a 2 term Gov of California. Cattledog Jan 2018 #142
I know that SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #153
If the RW can win with a Ferangi, we can win with a Captain Kirk! Sunlei Jan 2018 #329
Who the hell are Leonard and Penny and why should adult voters care? bettyellen Jan 2018 #115
Exactly Alice11111 Jan 2018 #206
Wrong. Iggo Jan 2018 #262
+ struggle4progress Jan 2018 #5
I agree. nt Crabby Appleton Jan 2018 #6
Thanks. MineralMan Jan 2018 #7
If the D's rise to the challenge in the fall, quite a few people will become visible as possibles. Girard442 Jan 2018 #26
Yes. kag Jan 2018 #225
No amateurs is correct bdamomma Jan 2018 #8
Electing a President should be serious business. MineralMan Jan 2018 #11
"It's not a popularity contest" - right, it's an electoral college contest. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #35
And there you have the major problem. maddiemom Jan 2018 #130
what we have learned from Trump is that Oprah can win womanofthehills Jan 2018 #297
Silver spoon?????? Do you know her life story???? LAS14 Jan 2018 #212
I am not bdamomma Jan 2018 #245
Inslee for President! Evergreen Emerald Jan 2018 #9
I don't know much about him. MineralMan Jan 2018 #16
i like jay but i dont see fire in his belly... samnsara Jan 2018 #32
I love Jay Inslee and think he would make a great president. (eom) StevieM Jan 2018 #42
Boeing's bag man. bahrbearian Jan 2018 #68
Sez You. MineralMan Jan 2018 #92
You mean he never gave Boeing a 9 Billion dollar tax break. bahrbearian Jan 2018 #114
Tax breaks for major corporations are a commonplace. MineralMan Jan 2018 #124
all Washington governor's KT2000 Jan 2018 #211
You are saying then that no Democratic Governor who has given tax incentives to major business pnwmom Jan 2018 #261
I like him, too. But he doesn't have the "oomph" yet. He'd be a GREAT running mate for Oprah, though calimary Jan 2018 #111
At 66, he's not as young as he looks. But I do like him a lot. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #263
Jay is a great guy angrychair Jan 2018 #309
I also think Kamala Harris would be a very strong candidate. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #310
I heard him this weekend True Blue American Jan 2018 #214
Good guy, but Alice11111 Jan 2018 #220
And, who understands how government works as opposed to the idiot in office. Also, reading, RKP5637 Jan 2018 #10
Absolutely. MineralMan Jan 2018 #13
also a stable mental state bdamomma Jan 2018 #18
Yep, Definitely!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #19
a stable genius for a change..... ollie10 Jan 2018 #129
No VERY successful businessman or top T.V. Star dalton99a Jan 2018 #12
Totally. There will be a huge to-do list. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #14
Exactly! MineralMan Jan 2018 #17
So agree. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2018 #20
Thanks for your reply! MineralMan Jan 2018 #22
Totally agreed ! left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #23
We need to let our elder statesmen BE elder statesmen and start letting tblue37 Jan 2018 #62
geez, how about bdamomma Jan 2018 #73
I just want competence heaven05 Jan 2018 #24
It will be up to us to help make that happen, MineralMan Jan 2018 #25
It's impossible to predict a good 2020 candidate in 2018 DesertRat Jan 2018 #27
I'm not predicting anything. I'm making a request. MineralMan Jan 2018 #29
and eliminate bdamomma Jan 2018 #80
You got any workable plans for eliminating the EC? TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #141
Can't happen before the 2020 election. MineralMan Jan 2018 #201
a lot of red tape regarding the Electoral College. bdamomma Jan 2018 #249
Yes, that is true. MineralMan Jan 2018 #273
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #28
Bullshit. spanone Jan 2018 #54
Amen X 1,000,000. Paladin Jan 2018 #30
I agree. We probably should ignore all of these MineralMan Jan 2018 #33
The old-fashioned way. Hear, hear. Paladin Jan 2018 #93
Get informed about Oprah. LAS14 Jan 2018 #264
amen amen amen amen amen amen samnsara Jan 2018 #31
Well, she's apparently the "Presidential Candidate of the Day," MineralMan Jan 2018 #34
She's a Democrat and she's had more experience doing things in Alice11111 Jan 2018 #217
Wholeheartedly agree! Cracklin Charlie Jan 2018 #38
If Oprah ran I think she would win the Democratic nomination in 2020 easily. Sharpshooter007 Jan 2018 #39
Unfortunately probably correct. alarimer Jan 2018 #70
With all due respect, NOTHING unfortunate about it. calimary Jan 2018 #94
It takes more than "common sense." alarimer Jan 2018 #119
So you'll want to go rogue and make sure that we DON'T stand together and therefore calimary Jan 2018 #134
Yep. alarimer Jan 2018 #139
Too many skeletons in her closet. And thank god for that. bettyellen Jan 2018 #125
Here, too, we'll have to agree to disagree. calimary Jan 2018 #137
What skeletons? Really? There are none that she has not publicly acknowledged Thekaspervote Jan 2018 #162
Youre kidding right? bettyellen Jan 2018 #189
If they are so obvious than you must inform the ignorant. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #248
What skeletons??? Alice11111 Jan 2018 #222
I am somewhat skeptical of that Cosmocat Jan 2018 #78
I'd make an exception for Oprah Winfrey. forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #81
I bet a LOT of people would make an exception for Oprah Winfrey. calimary Jan 2018 #103
Count me in. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #110
If she is what it takes to win, go for the win this time! Alice11111 Jan 2018 #224
Me too!! She is smart savvy and would surround herself with only the best leaders Thekaspervote Jan 2018 #160
Surround herself with the best leaders? Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #254
If Oprah actually wants to give being POTUS a go, then she should work in government in congress xor Jan 2018 #193
I agree Soxfan58 Jan 2018 #40
Agree. And someone who realizes what Republicans fight for. TryLogic Jan 2018 #41
Only if Roasanne runs as her VP! hexola Jan 2018 #43
Oh, my! MineralMan Jan 2018 #44
Oprah/Rosanne 2020 hexola Jan 2018 #47
You do realize that Roseanne Barr supported Trump Maggiemayhem Jan 2018 #188
She was also a regular guest on Oprahs show. hexola Jan 2018 #234
Thats why she gets picked - bring the Trumpers along. Ms. & Mrs. America! hexola Jan 2018 #237
You forgot the sarcasm thingy. nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #218
Nope. She'd have a more conventional politician as a running mate. Probably male. calimary Jan 2018 #105
Roseanne who? BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2018 #191
Also an "Oprah" regular hexola Jan 2018 #236
Someone doesn't like Oprah dembotoz Jan 2018 #45
I like Oprah Winfrey just fine. MineralMan Jan 2018 #48
No way should Oprah be president. Tipperary Jan 2018 #50
I can't stand her nini Jan 2018 #136
It was the Oprahs favorite things episodes that did it for me BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #246
I "like" lots of people.... paleotn Jan 2018 #286
Well, we all have our own priorities and preferences. President Tom Steyer sounds good to me. (eom) StevieM Jan 2018 #46
I'd rather have Steyer on the fundraising team for our candidate. MineralMan Jan 2018 #49
We need to support Democrats first duforsure Jan 2018 #52
While I will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee, MineralMan Jan 2018 #57
People have DIED because of Oprah's woo-woo promotion. alarimer Jan 2018 #123
Too much quakery Maggiemayhem Jan 2018 #250
The more charismatic candidate has always won in the modern TV era NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #55
Charisma and Competence are not exclusive of each other. MineralMan Jan 2018 #60
Nor is charisma and incompetence are not either NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #159
While the president needs good counsel they need clear vision in order to lead. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #253
Oh, I would not support her in a primary, either NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #257
That's a no-brainer. TexasProgresive Jan 2018 #267
TRUE,sadly maybe, whether purists want to believe it or not Alice11111 Jan 2018 #227
You get healthcare...you get healthcare...and you get healthcare! hexola Jan 2018 #56
It's an irresponsible Republican pattern to push incompetent celebrities into important tblue37 Jan 2018 #58
I like Al Franken. I helped get him elected. MineralMan Jan 2018 #61
On what basis do you say she's incompetent? LAS14 Jan 2018 #269
actually, Oprah is an experienced communicator bigtree Jan 2018 #59
As I said earlier, I like Oprah very much. MineralMan Jan 2018 #63
I'm not advocating her for the Dem nom bigtree Jan 2018 #77
There are a number of non-politicians whose names we may hear MineralMan Jan 2018 #84
presidential politics bigtree Jan 2018 #95
I normally ignore 2020 threads, but I agree... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #64
100% this. alarimer Jan 2018 #65
Agree. Enough with the celeb worship Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #66
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #67
As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders is welcome to try again. MineralMan Jan 2018 #69
that would be a ticket to trumps second term..... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #72
That's why we have primaries. MineralMan Jan 2018 #79
As much as I like Oprah, I agree with you. geardaddy Jan 2018 #71
yas-a-million catrose Jan 2018 #74
If they have given a good speech I'm in!!!!!! NCTraveler Jan 2018 #75
Fuck it. She's got TREMENDOUS appeal, power and clout with the public, class, and DEEP pockets. calimary Jan 2018 #76
Oprah has horrible negatives. She supports quacks and scammers. longship Jan 2018 #97
A dog chases a car. What will he do with it if he catches it? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #109
I'd rather he catch and learn on the road than never get a chance behind the wheel. n/t musicblind Jan 2018 #197
Joe Kennedy? Maggiemayhem Jan 2018 #83
I suspect we will hear his name often. MineralMan Jan 2018 #87
Yes! True Blue American Jan 2018 #221
ITA TimeToGo Jan 2018 #85
Agreed. I like Oprah, but I don't want her to run. OliverQ Jan 2018 #86
Schiff definitely comes to mind. MineralMan Jan 2018 #89
Eric Garcetti efhmc Jan 2018 #88
Another notable name, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2018 #90
He is a great mayor. efhmc Jan 2018 #116
Yes, agreed... MineralMan Jan 2018 #122
Assuming that this in response to Oprah? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #91
It's in response to the "Candidate of the day" phenomenon that occurs MineralMan Jan 2018 #96
I agree Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #100
But look at where that speech was made. That's the difference. MineralMan Jan 2018 #106
Obama was already in politics, and he gave that speech at the Dem convention. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #120
"That's a lot different from a tv personality giving a speech at a show biz awards ceremony." 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #241
God, that was awfully impressive bdamomma Jan 2018 #312
Since it's clear we're talking about Oprah (among others), on what grounds.... LAS14 Jan 2018 #277
As soon as Oprah's GG speech was out of her mouth last night, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #98
+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #101
Thank you for your very well thought-out and presented MineralMan Jan 2018 #102
Thank you. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #152
You're far from being alone in that. MineralMan Jan 2018 #155
When I heard this Oprah buzz, I became just for a moment, Ebenezer Scrooge aka-chmeee Jan 2018 #302
Very well said! I agree with you and also appreciate Mineral Mans's oriignal post and your justhanginon Jan 2018 #177
Thank you. cwydro Jan 2018 #204
Yes, this. n/t ms liberty Jan 2018 #313
Agree, agree, agree! nt Heartstrings Jan 2018 #99
Just wanna get thru 2018... LakeArenal Jan 2018 #168
Midterms, Midterms, Midterms! Heartstrings Jan 2018 #203
We must win to save our democracy. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #104
She won't, I promise you. MineralMan Jan 2018 #107
If she's the strongest candidate we can come up with, we are in deep kimchee. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #112
We appear to already be deeply buried in sour, fermenting cabbage. MineralMan Jan 2018 #126
For me, the key question is who can win. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #223
But if we win with a candidate who doesn't know how to do the job, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #228
Not necessarily. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #339
Good Point Firestorm49 Jan 2018 #108
Disagree mchill Jan 2018 #113
Agree. LAS14 Jan 2018 #280
Oprah yes, but "The Rock" NO NO NO mchill Jan 2018 #117
That would be nice. KPN Jan 2018 #121
KnR. I hate watching people play Democratic Shiny Object Teams of the Day. nt Hekate Jan 2018 #127
It appears to be a favorite game here. MineralMan Jan 2018 #132
And no OPRHA! (nt) question everything Jan 2018 #128
Americans are desperate for someone Bayard Jan 2018 #131
THANK YOU nini Jan 2018 #133
For the record mchill Jan 2018 #149
Oh please nini Jan 2018 #156
I think Oprah or anyone with good people skills like her would be fine nolabels Jan 2018 #175
And this is why this country is doomed nini Jan 2018 #176
If you despair at where you are you not likely make it to where you want to go nolabels Jan 2018 #192
There's more to a person than the label you put on their profession mchill Jan 2018 #200
Her position on science and medicine is absolutely horrible. longship Jan 2018 #292
Interesting - didn't know this about her nor mchill Jan 2018 #336
Dems Only DownriverDem Jan 2018 #135
NO MORE NADERS Skittles Jan 2018 #322
Well I do understand that position. Kimchijeon Jan 2018 #140
Laughable..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2018 #143
Will Trump be primaried? ollie10 Jan 2018 #144
Frankly, I do not think Trump will be President at all by that time. MineralMan Jan 2018 #145
A lot of folks are noticing signs of pre-dementia ollie10 Jan 2018 #157
HE'S absolutely going to be primaried Cosmocat Jan 2018 #299
I am not so sure he would survive a primary ollie10 Jan 2018 #300
Maybe if there are only one or two Cosmocat Jan 2018 #303
Is this about Oprah? oberliner Jan 2018 #146
This is about the "Presidential Candidate of the Day." MineralMan Jan 2018 #147
So Oprah is not the amateur, actor, business CEO in question? oberliner Jan 2018 #151
Had I wanted to limit my post to Oprah Winfrey, I could have MineralMan Jan 2018 #154
OK oberliner Jan 2018 #207
Amateur only means inept. Cattledog Jan 2018 #148
No, it actually doesn't mean that. MineralMan Jan 2018 #150
Spliting hairs. Cattledog Jan 2018 #164
No, not at all. MineralMan Jan 2018 #180
Amateur means unpaid. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #243
It's what the primary is about The Mouth Jan 2018 #161
Yes, but one of the things to avoid is too many candidates MineralMan Jan 2018 #165
It worked out for them The Mouth Jan 2018 #181
An extremely poor choice went on to win. MineralMan Jan 2018 #185
What if the alternative is Trump, though? The Mouth Jan 2018 #213
As I always do, I will vote for the Democratic nominee for President. MineralMan Jan 2018 #215
"Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line" EOM The Mouth Jan 2018 #226
I agree with what you wrote.... CatMor Jan 2018 #163
We did elect the most qualified candidate in 2016 msdogi Jan 2018 #166
Couldnt agree more. octoberlib Jan 2018 #167
I wish Hillary had done what is in your signature graphic. MineralMan Jan 2018 #169
In hindsight, I bet she would. She was octoberlib Jan 2018 #173
We had the most qualified ever and lost! mrsv Jan 2018 #172
How Hillary Clinton lost is something we need to study MineralMan Jan 2018 #174
Clinton spent more money in Michigan than Obama did in 2012. That goes for Pennsylvania too. StevieM Jan 2018 #331
Yes! mchill Jan 2018 #195
Not without Russia's help or comey's help or voter suppression uponit7771 Jan 2018 #238
We need to win to clean up this shit show OhioBlue Jan 2018 #178
The next time Harvard-Harris does their "popularity poll" I hope the include.... George II Jan 2018 #179
Oprah for president Stanley Roper Jan 2018 #182
You are joking I hope Maggiemayhem Jan 2018 #232
Mueller tiptonic Jan 2018 #184
I am sure that Mueller has no desire to run for office. MineralMan Jan 2018 #187
K&R redstatebluegirl Jan 2018 #186
Agreed. I GROANED when I heard about Oprah. DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #190
I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread, sincerely. MineralMan Jan 2018 #194
I know people out there want outsiders Bradical79 Jan 2018 #199
I agree 100% Nitram Jan 2018 #202
"incompetent"? "Amateur?" LAS14 Jan 2018 #208
Barack Obama was a US Senator MineralMan Jan 2018 #210
One time, not full term. Barely "experienced." Do you know... LAS14 Jan 2018 #216
He was also an Illinois state legislator. MineralMan Jan 2018 #219
They're gone Penny. They can't hear you. fleabiscuit Jan 2018 #229
Wow! A Big Bang Theory Allusion. MineralMan Jan 2018 #230
I would throw Sam Nunn's name in the hat!. 40RatRod Jan 2018 #233
Democrats need to campaign on QUALIFICATIONS Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #235
Maybe the problem isnt the politicians, but the government and politics themselves. MadDAsHell Jan 2018 #239
Our system of government can only be changed by those MineralMan Jan 2018 #240
Which is an argument for electing someone from outside..... Never thought.... LAS14 Jan 2018 #258
Immediate visceral responses need to be analyzed objectively MineralMan Jan 2018 #268
Thank you. LisaM Jan 2018 #251
What if people don't want politicians anymore? There is a perception filter to overcome. Vilis Veritas Jan 2018 #256
I'm always suspicious of celebrity. MineralMan Jan 2018 #271
I'm always suspicious of politicians. Vilis Veritas Jan 2018 #275
Exactly. That's why political decisions need to be made after MineralMan Jan 2018 #276
I agree, never said anything else. I am merely trying to point out that the other side Vilis Veritas Jan 2018 #282
Obama was also a constitutional lawyer. MineralMan Jan 2018 #283
President Obama also understood celebrity and star power. He used his charisma to win the nation. Vilis Veritas Jan 2018 #291
I would think that about teachers ehrnst Jan 2018 #296
I agree get the red out Jan 2018 #259
You Heretic! Kilgore Jan 2018 #272
A heretic, you say? MineralMan Jan 2018 #274
Success in Business Doesn't Always Translate into Success in Government dlk Jan 2018 #279
Very true. Thanks. MineralMan Jan 2018 #281
DURec leftstreet Jan 2018 #284
You're welcome. MineralMan Jan 2018 #285
add no career military fuckers either gopiscrap Jan 2018 #287
Hate and Attacks on Strong Women Continues TomCADem Jan 2018 #294
How is questioning the wisdom of electing to the presidency a tv personality The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #315
Oprah Gave a Great Speech. Did Not Mention Running for President TomCADem Jan 2018 #316
It was an excellent speech, and brava to Oprah for delivering it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #317
Sorry, but I don't like my choices being arbitrarily restricted. MGKrebs Jan 2018 #298
Obama was an outsider, Trump was an amateur bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #301
+1000 disndat Jan 2018 #304
While I believe that she would make a good president under normal circumstances, Nac Mac Feegle Jan 2018 #305
Word. AllyCat Jan 2018 #306
Sorry I disagree jimlup Jan 2018 #307
Personality is the number one characteristic, according to the American Voter. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #308
Agreed - no amateurs. 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #311
Boy Howdy am I with you on this! annabanana Jan 2018 #314
Non sequitur. All first time presidents are amateurs. fleabiscuit Jan 2018 #318
A little bit of an "R" but the worst President of the 19th century was succeeded by an obscure... NNadir Jan 2018 #320
Amen! Puzzler Jan 2018 #323
I think what we really need is stronger ideology because that's where we fall short time and again bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #324
I would like to see all those names mentioned as 2018s Congress, Senators & state Governors this yr Sunlei Jan 2018 #326
That would be fine, but it will probably not happen. MineralMan Jan 2018 #327
Very few people actually want to be a public servant in this Gov. Most are out for personal agenda. Sunlei Jan 2018 #328
Exactly! There are other ways to make a difference but DO NOT get in the way Dem_4_Life Jan 2018 #330
In many European countries, like France, kskiska Jan 2018 #340
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