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delisen

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105. Choice. You present anecdotal evidence of women who have suffered ptsd
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jan 2018

type effects from abusers in the office. I can present experience of both bad outcome and good outcomes.

The point is it always should remain the woman's choice whether or not to be transferred. It is not for the rest of us to make decisions for that person- whether it is the company in question or persons not directly involved who are concerned about sexual abuse in the workplace. We who are concerned are not the direct victim and the victim is entitled by virtue of her personhood to make his or her own decisions.





This article is slanted hard against Hillary and doesn't acknowledge that TEN YEARS AGO pnwmom Jan 2018 #1
+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #2
So ten years ago it was ago to sexually abuse women at work and cover it up? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #3
Why would we expect anyone who proclaimed, in 1995, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #11
Where is the outrage about two women being transferred R B Garr Jan 2018 #15
This particular conversation is about Clinton. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #23
This looks more like an excuse to excoriate Clinton because R B Garr Jan 2018 #24
Pay attention to what I'm saying, not what you think/wish/etc. I was saying. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #58
Okay, you are responding to that one reassignment element only. R B Garr Jan 2018 #61
I'm talking about both the transfer AND more specifically, the excuses being made on DU Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #70
Trying to accuse people of blindly rejecting "criticism" of her is just another excuse R B Garr Jan 2018 #73
This discussion is about Clinton, not about Bernie, Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #79
This is most definitely about Bernie because it is about double standards. R B Garr Jan 2018 #82
The GOP and Russia weaponized Hillary's name long ago. Hortensis Jan 2018 #65
Hortensis, I love this post. I hope that you resubmit it for Mrs. Toad since I see R B Garr Jan 2018 #75
:) Ms. Toad, Ms. Toad, Ms. Toad, whoo-hooo! Hortensis Jan 2018 #80
She could have handled it better, but she DID handle it. ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #86
Sexual harasser punished 10 yrs ago! Was it wrong? delisen Jan 2018 #40
Pay attention to what I am addressing. Not the strawman you wish I was addressing. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #59
Re: Transferring the the accuser to another position delisen Jan 2018 #64
Darn those non-disclosure agreements . . . that Clinton could waive. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #74
You write as if Strider was not disciplined. Demit Jan 2018 #81
Mahalo, delisen, for explaining how reality Cha Jan 2018 #88
Yours is like the 10th anecdote I've seen posted in last several days where the victim... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #93
Choice. You present anecdotal evidence of women who have suffered ptsd delisen Jan 2018 #105
No True Scotsman argument, huh? Demit Jan 2018 #83
Whataboutism Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #27
How banal. Hillary is the one targeted by the Russians. You should research R B Garr Jan 2018 #30
Straw man Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #33
Yes, double standards are a hypocritical strawman. When a man is not criticized R B Garr Jan 2018 #36
Yeah, men who rub on women and kiss their heads and send suggestive emails to subordinates... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #99
It's not too late to write Sanders about your concerns over the Arturo allegations. nt R B Garr Jan 2018 #102
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #103
Hillary was the one attacked by the Russians. R B Garr Jan 2018 #104
Deflection. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #39
Absolutely. This thread is ground zero! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #49
Actually it's a sobering look at double standards. R B Garr Jan 2018 #54
Why would someone be uncomfortable with the truth that Hillary R B Garr Jan 2018 #51
Completely agree. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #56
I thought that's what you meant, but just wanted to check R B Garr Jan 2018 #60
+1 emulatorloo Jan 2018 #95
I suspect that if she did fire him she'd be condemned for doing it quietly Demit Jan 2018 #63
Yes all the way around. Great points. R B Garr Jan 2018 #66
I had a mother like that. She could find the fault in whatever you did. Demit Jan 2018 #76
Overruled a firing recommendation. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #94
Bring us the facts! Not "some people sayism" delisen Jan 2018 #42
Cherry picking ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #87
Two wrongs do not make a right karynnj Jan 2018 #98
None of what you say matched what happened. The man was disciplined. R B Garr Jan 2018 #101
Due process is covering something up?! REALLY !?!? Stop hating her, it's not fun uponit7771 Jan 2018 #12
How is going through an HR process that ends up with docking of pay and mandatory counseling KitSileya Jan 2018 #17
I didn't hear or read anything about a "cover up". The man was disciplined, demoted, and docked... George II Jan 2018 #18
Yeah, disciplining a sexual harasser by demoting him, docking his pay, mandatory counseling, KitSileya Jan 2018 #35
Didn't she writes some essays about ......................oh, that's right, she didn't. George II Jan 2018 #37
Well, since no one said that and it is literally not applicable to this incident, you Ninsianna Jan 2018 #26
Cover up? NCTraveler Jan 2018 #41
Where do you gat "a couple months pay"? All the articles I've seen say a couple weeks Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #5
I'll look for it. But I just found that he was ALSO given a demotion, including a drop in pay. pnwmom Jan 2018 #6
Not only that, but there was a procedure in place to handle situations like that, and apparently.... George II Jan 2018 #20
The NYT Recently Did The Same Me. Jan 2018 #77
Even in the 1980s and 1990s, there were people fired for harassment in many companies karynnj Jan 2018 #96
Wow. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #4
"holding Democrats to a higher standard is a good thing" progressoid Jan 2018 #7
One would think Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #8
That was sort of the point of the article, but some people just can't get past Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #21
Holding women to a higher standard is more like it. R B Garr Jan 2018 #22
So the point of the criticism is that perfection is expected of Clinton, Ninsianna Jan 2018 #32
No actually that is not the point at all. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #44
Except no one is doing that, not on the Democratic or Clinton side. Ninsianna Jan 2018 #47
Only Hillary Clinton would be held accountable for the sexual harrassement committed by some man. TeamPooka Jan 2018 #9
+1, especially when there was action taken after due process. They hate her uponit7771 Jan 2018 #13
Blatantly not true mythology Jan 2018 #57
ahem....Al Franken progressoid Jan 2018 #67
? Who was the woman blamed for not controlling Al Franken? Demit Jan 2018 #78
The article also points the finger at women who were Weinstein's enablers loyalsister Jan 2018 #68
Rough Lordquinton Jan 2018 #10
... and this article is far from it. Just wanted to finish the statement for you :) uponit7771 Jan 2018 #14
+1 Lucinda Jan 2018 #25
Out of the woodwork Lordquinton Jan 2018 #29
And that "truth" is? Everyone is acting like this was/is a big secret. It isn't. George II Jan 2018 #19
Oh George... Lordquinton Jan 2018 #31
God Bless You Lord! George II Jan 2018 #34
Satan watch over you! Lordquinton Jan 2018 #43
Indeed it has, sadly, there are some who cannot handle the truth, hence they Ninsianna Jan 2018 #48
It's uncomfortable to be sure loyalsister Jan 2018 #69
How on earth can you say she protected them? KitSileya Jan 2018 #89
He would have been fired Lordquinton Jan 2018 #90
Really? loyalsister Jan 2018 #91
Everything is Hillary's fault. mariesa Jan 2018 #16
The buck stops with Clinton because all know she is real president delisen Jan 2018 #45
actually Hillary's and Barack's fault still_one Jan 2018 #53
What a pile of sh*t. WhiteTara Jan 2018 #28
When was the photo taken of Al Franken pretending to fondle another comic's breasts? jalan48 Jan 2018 #38
Hmm, I think the steps taken were appropriate. Pay docked, counseling required - or does everything seaglass Jan 2018 #46
Reporter uses H Clinton to justify her own sexual harassment delisen Jan 2018 #50
what a surprise, another Hillary hit piece still_one Jan 2018 #52
If Gillibrand runs on this type of BS rationalizing her "purity" stance elfin Jan 2018 #55
Hey!! I have an idea!! Lets post more anti HRC stuff while the turd that was the USA is . . . . Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #62
+1 MFM008 Jan 2018 #71
I need help understanding this mercuryblues Jan 2018 #72
"The Clinton Reckoning" -- this is stupid. betsuni Jan 2018 #84
Bullshit. ismnotwasm Jan 2018 #85
This link best describes the CRAP posted here: Pathwalker Jan 2018 #92
Confessions of a Clinton reporter: The media's 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary Cha Jan 2018 #97
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 mercuryblues Jan 2018 #100
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