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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
178. Again very interesting, thanks. Only a few zealous fringies here
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jan 2018

don't know that Franken is a friend to women and women's rights. The vast majority of us know that and would vastly have preferred to fight for him -- at least while we didn't have to accept the consequences and lose him anyway.

Wish you could share the rest of your source's thoughts.

Just one thing I'd question: "the onus of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant. THIS after 25 years of successful "the allegation is the crime" against Hillary? DU itself is full of people whose viewpoints are hopelessly warped by years of allegations, even though their investigations always came up empty.

No, in politics there is no onus of proof on the accuser. The accusation is the missile.

And that's really the point.

And republicans throughout the land sigh..."Mission Accomplished". n/t CincyDem Jan 2018 #1
Lol. No to the questionable OP. Hortensis Jan 2018 #138
I do miss Senator Franken C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #2
I rarely saw him...because I don't watch excessive hours of cable news brooklynite Jan 2018 #3
Well, yes...I'm speaking to those who keep up with things and are informed. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #8
Watching pundits bicker on cable tv news-talk shows is not a requirment of keeping up with things & FSogol Jan 2018 #12
I wouldn't call the Senate hearing "bickering" on cable tv news-talk shows. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #14
You know newspapers still cover what is going on in this country. You overvalve cable "news." FSogol Jan 2018 #16
I watch less than 2 hours of cable news. xxqqqzme Jan 2018 #124
THIS. Watching daytime pundits is a sure path to self delusion. Hortensis Jan 2018 #139
There's a way to be informed without watching cable news all day crazycatlady Jan 2018 #30
So because you dont watch, its not happening? RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #13
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #15
Exactly! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #53
+1000 dchill Jan 2018 #118
Oh, dear. Cable politics can be addictive,but studies show Hortensis Jan 2018 #140
Please post a link to this study thanks BamaRefugee Jan 2018 #141
Better yet, go READ up on the quality and quantity Hortensis Jan 2018 #161
If this is the study to which you are referring, I think you are mis-stating the key findings. spooky3 Jan 2018 #168
Actually, it's not. They surveyed Sunday morning shows Hortensis Jan 2018 #170
Please reread the paragraph I quoted, and the entire spooky3 Jan 2018 #172
I didn't need to see his "study" to know that FOX was dragging down the curve ;-) BamaRefugee Jan 2018 #174
Here is another study with findings presented a little spooky3 Jan 2018 #176
The poster was mainly talking about committee hearings RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #162
"I rarely saw him...because I don't watch excessive Hortensis Jan 2018 #166
So wait a sec..... RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #171
But you do seem to spend what feels like "excessive hours" here Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2018 #39
And remember, he talks a lot about being rich also! n.t. USALiberal Jan 2018 #43
"How dare you, you, you....peasant?!!!" :-p Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2018 #45
And as a result of that, I've had the chance to sit down with Franken personally brooklynite Jan 2018 #46
I knew you would bite! :-) USALiberal Jan 2018 #51
Feel free to ignore anything I say... brooklynite Jan 2018 #47
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #50
No you don't, by your own admissions. OilemFirchen Jan 2018 #78
divisive with an election less than a year away and pointless unless someone wants Democrats to lose Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #93
My point? OilemFirchen Jan 2018 #102
I don't have 'hackles' just tired of seeing Franken used in order to divide us...not saying you... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #103
LOL, you really are a class act. nt USALiberal Jan 2018 #42
I don't watch hours of cable news, I have a farm to run Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #75
He is one of the best we had. To blow him off because you don't know of him is lame wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #98
I don't even have cable lunasun Jan 2018 #101
Absolutely, and look how emboldened they R B Garr Jan 2018 #4
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #6
Cannot express it any better. VOX Jan 2018 #128
Yep. n/t Lucinda Jan 2018 #5
This was his time. Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #7
so very true Rene Jan 2018 #31
They silenced him bdamomma Jan 2018 #113
Absolutely. NT enough Jan 2018 #9
Franken should move to one of the states held by a Repugnant Governor and run cstanleytech Jan 2018 #10
We would love to have him move to Texas! I will help him pack! flying_wahini Jan 2018 #18
I'm listening to the audiobook of Al Franken: Giant of the Senate. no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #11
I was half way through the book when he was pushed out... teamster633 Jan 2018 #95
Appreciating him "now more than ever" seems to be a trend. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #17
It's a shame gratuitous Jan 2018 #19
I'd like to hear his voice. DC or wherever. mahannah Jan 2018 #20
Yes! ananda Jan 2018 #21
This will haunt the Democratic Party in at least the next two election cycles BlueAZure Jan 2018 #22
I cannot agree with you more! LittleGirl Jan 2018 #25
Exactly! Owl Jan 2018 #80
Welcome to DU !!! N/T LittleGirl Jan 2018 #26
Gillibrand's poor judgement disqualifies her for the presidency. oasis Jan 2018 #49
I'm little curious, did she really beg for a donation from Trump? rockfordfile Jan 2018 #58
She's a NY senator, so he likely donated to her campaign. I oasis Jan 2018 #61
Seriously...bandying about right wing bullshit? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #144
I was in Washington having lunch with an insider recently DFW Jan 2018 #60
did he hint druidity33 Jan 2018 #63
He did indeed DFW Jan 2018 #66
what do you think he should do? druidity33 Jan 2018 #130
I have no idea what he SHOULD do DFW Jan 2018 #135
Thanks for the update! dalton99a Jan 2018 #131
Not much of an update, I'm afraid DFW Jan 2018 #147
"Franken's final decision to resign only came when Hortensis Jan 2018 #173
Yes, there were eight accusers DFW Jan 2018 #177
Again very interesting, thanks. Only a few zealous fringies here Hortensis Jan 2018 #178
I wish I could share more, too DFW Jan 2018 #182
Oh, so do we all. But McCarthy's allegation missiles Hortensis Jan 2018 #183
DFW, I believe you. I believe you because this is what I thought from the start... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #74
DFW, thank you very much for posting this. I hope the insider doesn't object to your spooky3 Jan 2018 #90
I don't think I revealed anything most people on DU didn't already suspect was true DFW Jan 2018 #136
Thanks. Yes, I wasnt in the camp that thought spooky3 Jan 2018 #149
Small correction DFW Jan 2018 #150
Thank you for the additional info. I did not mean in any way to disparage your spooky3 Jan 2018 #167
In January 2015, none other than Howard Dean was giving Gillibrand the same positive scrutiny DFW Jan 2018 #169
Exactly what it looked like to me. hay rick Jan 2018 #112
Your account carries weight to us old timers who know you. ms liberty Jan 2018 #125
Since Al Franken resigned, there have been no further allegations. octoberlib Jan 2018 #143
Yeah, funny thing about that. DFW Jan 2018 #146
Thanks for the insider info............. LeftInTX Jan 2018 #148
does this "insider" have a name dlwickham Jan 2018 #180
He certainly does have a name DFW Jan 2018 #181
So she's his friend...with friends like her... lunamagica Jan 2018 #65
I agree. I think it wasn't about the allegations at all. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #73
No it won't despite the best efforts of GOP types...and those who ahem support them. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #92
The glaring contradiction in Gillibrand's "Franken Spiel" was that Franken was denied a hearing stuffmatters Jan 2018 #132
Apparently you're watching/listening to different shows mythology Jan 2018 #23
I find the hero worship similar of him similar to fans of a celebrity crazycatlady Jan 2018 #35
I find such comments insulting to many of your fellow DUers. nt spooky3 Jan 2018 #97
I guess I never joined his fanclub crazycatlady Jan 2018 #104
you don't need to join his fan club; just respect the fact that others here have good reason spooky3 Jan 2018 #105
I just have a hard time respecting people who want another Democrat's head on a stick crazycatlady Jan 2018 #107
The allegations were not credible for a variety of reasons, but I did not see people on this thread spooky3 Jan 2018 #108
There are many DUers who dismissed the accusers because they won't give their name crazycatlady Jan 2018 #109
Happy to end the conversation. Have a nice evening. spooky3 Jan 2018 #110
So you have no respect for Kirsten Gillibrand? Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #198
Your lack of knowledge on this topic is scary! nt USALiberal Jan 2018 #44
You just made my point. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #82
Absolutely. Chalk his departure up as another GOP win. sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #24
He was effective? saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #27
What did he sponsor? LoveMyCali Jan 2018 #29
Where were we when he saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #34
I don't know where everyone else was LoveMyCali Jan 2018 #36
It is rhetorical. saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #41
What behavior? You have fallen for the Republican spin. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #81
Video writerJT Feb 2018 #189
I repeat: What behavior? Do you have definitive information and proof of any Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #192
The questions you ask here writerJT Feb 2018 #193
I repeat: Please post here the proof of sexual harassment by Franken. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #194
I didnt judge him guilty. writerJT Feb 2018 #195
Yeah, I agree. Sharpest tool in the shed's now rusting out in the field. byronius Jan 2018 #28
Spot on. cwydro Jan 2018 #32
Yeah..just like Clinton gave back Weinstein donations, but the Repubs aren't giving back Wynn's. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #84
... LexVegas Jan 2018 #33
I am more pissed than ever at Gillibrand and other backstabbing Dems. lark Jan 2018 #37
They will get mine, but only after the primaries. DFW Jan 2018 #62
Ohhh that's a good idea. Tatiana Jan 2018 #117
and the DUers who fell for that bullshit Skittles Jan 2018 #115
I miss my senator. geardaddy Jan 2018 #38
Who will step up? Raker13 Jan 2018 #40
I will never forget what happened to him. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #48
+1. My memory is long about things like this. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #86
Effective how? Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #52
Since you asked: mn9driver Jan 2018 #55
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #89
That's quanity Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #106
So far, Senator Smith does not seem to be filling that void. mn9driver Jan 2018 #54
Thank you! pazzyanne Jan 2018 #68
minngal marieo1 Jan 2018 #71
I agree. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #91
They replaced an oak tree with an acorn DFW Jan 2018 #142
He really had the gravitas to step up and speak to what is happening janterry Jan 2018 #56
I also miss our Democracy elmac Jan 2018 #57
Would make a good voice on DU Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #59
No one is happier about this than Sessions lunamagica Jan 2018 #64
Where in hell SCVDem Jan 2018 #67
minngal marieo1 Jan 2018 #69
Huge Gulf. zentrum Jan 2018 #70
The silence orangecrush Jan 2018 #72
Yes. Things have gotten worse lately. I'm disappointed in the Dem responses... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #94
Thanks orangecrush Jan 2018 #96
+1 Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #100
I hate thinking about it. 😪 BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #76
His departure has left a hole. badhair77 Jan 2018 #79
Yes Meowmee Jan 2018 #83
No, I feel these sort of posts (no offence intended) are divisive and take the focus off an election Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #85
Oh, well n/t kcr Jan 2018 #99
How do you feel about one of ours selling out Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #133
I feel what is done is done...and no good can come from this . Don't vote for her in a 20 Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #145
No one gets a pass. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #186
Absolutely! Its heartbreaking. Owl Jan 2018 #87
Well, We Still Have The Polite, "Do Not Disrupt SOTU" Democrats Like Pelosi SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #111
Why is Republican Jeff Flake the only senator to speak in session against Trump? VOX Jan 2018 #114
Adam Schiff has been great oberliner Jan 2018 #116
Yes he has! VOX Jan 2018 #127
Franken was my Senator. I will NEVER forgive Gillibrand. scarletwoman Jan 2018 #119
Some of the comments kill me... LakeArenal Jan 2018 #151
Yes I knew I'd miss him but not THIS much WyLoochka Jan 2018 #120
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #121
There was a purge beginning October last year Puzzledtraveller Jan 2018 #122
He should just run again! He can have his say on the trail. joet67 Jan 2018 #123
He was sacrificed on the altar of ambition. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #126
Yep mchill Jan 2018 #153
Who's ambition? Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #157
I'm not going to split hairs. These people all piled on and all of them have ambitions. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #184
True. Franken did not get due process. Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #185
I thought you meant the silence of the steady stream of accusations. Hong Kong Cavalier Jan 2018 #129
Gillibrand helped write the republican headlines Jakes Progress Jan 2018 #134
Why is one person being singled out Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #154
Off your high horse. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #187
So you're stalking me through different threads now Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #191
Off your high ego trip. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #196
Sound like you are stalking me nt Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #199
On how many threads? Huh? Get over yourself. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #203
And we can thank Kristen Gillibrand for doing Republicans' dirty work for them n/t markpkessinger Jan 2018 #137
And all the other Senators? Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #156
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #175
Gillibrand will never live this down SHRED Jan 2018 #152
What about the others? Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #155
That's why I said "wrongly" SHRED Jan 2018 #158
She is only harmed with those Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #160
That's your characterization SHRED Jan 2018 #163
When you put one single senator or person Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #164
Stop stumping for her. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #188
I'm not stumping for anyone. Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #190
You're the one who creeps in those posts Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #197
I'm not the one attacking a Democratic senator Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #200
Pot. Meet kettle. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #204
Never attacked any Senator Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #205
You are defending Gillibrand attacking a Senator. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #206
How do you define effective? Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #208
As not being like Gillibrand. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #209
So only Gilibrand is a villan despite over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #210
You are not helping Gillibrand. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #212
You didn't answer my question. Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #213
You haven't answered even one of my questions. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #214
Still waiting for an answer to my question Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #215
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #217
I missed that...her appearance on The View. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #202
DURec leftstreet Jan 2018 #159
I see plenty of great Dem Senators getting out on TV to speak Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #165
Very true Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #218
no dlwickham Jan 2018 #179
no I don't feel it, JHan Feb 2018 #201
I suggested Franken run for Senate - again:Poll says YES laserhaas Feb 2018 #207
What a load of @#$%. Scurrilous Feb 2018 #211
Well for sure, I haven't heard a peer from his successor. NT Adrahil Feb 2018 #216
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