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RandySF

(58,455 posts) Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:12 PM Feb 2018

Indictment: Russians conspired to help Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders [View all]

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Indictment: Russians conspired to help Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders [View all] RandySF Feb 2018 OP

Now an undeniable fact. dalton99a Feb 2018 #1

I feel validation now... FarPoint Feb 2018 #179

So many trolls that DU split over WhiteTara Feb 2018 #181

Absolutely. FarPoint Feb 2018 #185

That is very true. We lost some VERY fine people WhiteTara Feb 2018 #188

We, the long term DU'ERS.. FarPoint Feb 2018 #193

Me too FarPoint WhiteTara Feb 2018 #196

I'm still here too...It was a beautiful time, back in the day . FarPoint Feb 2018 #200

Yes it was. yardwork Feb 2018 #213

Double WOW Me. Feb 2018 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Feb 2018 #3

They were not for Bernie as much as they were for causing chaos. Blue_true Feb 2018 #139

Did we not state that obvious fact clearly enough? Cary Feb 2018 #154

Yes, you did. yardwork Feb 2018 #214

I Hope Democrats Don't Savage Each Others Candidates Too Me. Feb 2018 #171

What woah! sheshe2 Feb 2018 #4

Right? Me. Feb 2018 #9

Yes about DEVINE. Let's hear from him about all this. R B Garr Feb 2018 #20

What happened to Hillary's voter data? Who owns that big list now? Wwcd Feb 2018 #38

Exactly, let's revisit that whole scenario. That was no little campaign R B Garr Feb 2018 #53

Yup. And as soon as that news hit the headlines, BAM! Assange drops a Wwcd Feb 2018 #66

Yes Indeed Me. Feb 2018 #173

The DNC has her list. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #234

You gotta wonder, right? mcar Feb 2018 #110

I'll Be Honest Me. Feb 2018 #174

It was never appropriate for some to demand answers from HRC mcar Feb 2018 #176

Exactly Me. Feb 2018 #177

They should end today mcar Feb 2018 #182

Where are the tax returns? yardwork Feb 2018 #215

This message was self-deleted by its author Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #5

Really? MelissaB Feb 2018 #15

No i dont believe that i'll go remove it Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #16

Out of loop on this. What is your source?? Is this proof? Recent? What? bobbieinok Feb 2018 #6

The Indictment By Mueller States There Were Bots For Bernie Me. Feb 2018 #10

SORRY. Checked DU front page and see breaking news bobbieinok Feb 2018 #11

Here: online page of the indictment. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #241

I always figured. This doesn't surprise me at all. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #7

Lots of shoes dropping today. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #21

Raining ass kicking boots today. democratisphere Feb 2018 #57

Lol! sheshe2 Feb 2018 #58

+ struggle4progress Feb 2018 #229

Its why we had to set up our own Hillary site. Thank you Bill wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #44

Thank you. William769 Feb 2018 #63

It was great that you were there for us. murielm99 Feb 2018 #239

Thank you for the kind words. William769 Feb 2018 #240

Yeah, when my belief of who certain people really are is known to all, it will maybe be too late. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #84

Publicly embracing Hillary and supporting Obama on DU - Remember what risky behavior that was? NBachers Feb 2018 #134

I Haven't Forgotten Me. Feb 2018 #175

I remember it well. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #191

Yes, it was impossible to have a conversation about Hillary. yardwork Feb 2018 #237

I knew it! Something smelled about both campaigns. Stick a fork in Bernie...he's done. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #8

IF there are dots to be connected MelissaB Feb 2018 #19

Nice post, MelissaB R B Garr Feb 2018 #22

Thank you! MelissaB Feb 2018 #24

Agree! Thank you. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #52

Same here, Bernie primary supporter who voted for my president Hillary Clinton elmac Feb 2018 #100

Thank you, MelissaB sarge43 Feb 2018 #101

This is about our Democracy and not one candidate. mcar Feb 2018 #111

+1 BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #31

Riiiiight. shanny Feb 2018 #83

Yup! Cobalt Violet Feb 2018 #117

Bernie Bros a myth? The Sanders campaign made public statements saying it was aware of them stevenleser Feb 2018 #150

Ding ding ding!!!!! sheshe2 Feb 2018 #192

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. He's damaged by this, and any future national run will be shaded Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #168

If he runs again he MUST release all his tax returns. yardwork Feb 2018 #216

I am still mystified as to why he wouldn't release them in the first place, and I'm even more.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #227

I'm not surprised that he suppressed them and I don't think he'll ever release them. yardwork Feb 2018 #231

Never bought the Bros thing and glad I missed Obama Boys, jeeze. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #218

And, if true, how is this (Senator) Bernie's fault exactly? FailureToCommunicate Feb 2018 #106

Right! Trump conspired with Russians. Bernie did not. liberalnarb Feb 2018 #125

I'll tell you how. In my opinion he didn't do enough to stop the acrimony among his supporters stevenleser Feb 2018 #152

And "enough" for you would have been what? Sanders didn't fan those ravers. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2018 #153

That is an easy question to answer. Here is what he should have said repeatedly: stevenleser Feb 2018 #158

It should have been an easy thing to say, Steven mcar Feb 2018 #180

To me the reason is obvious, Sanders intended to ride that wave of poison to the stevenleser Feb 2018 #225

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. The Russian state showed a preference for Hillary's foes in the.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #170

holy crap.... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #12

Oh to be a fly on the wall! sheshe2 Feb 2018 #26

Explains why he's heading to the Mara lago hidey hole Wwcd Feb 2018 #42

Wow, indeed! Skidmore Feb 2018 #13

I was a huge Bernie supporter, and this doesn't surprise me. MelissaB Feb 2018 #14

It doesnt surprise me ither but it doesnt mean he was involved. ooky Feb 2018 #67

Who else on the Democratic side MuseRider Feb 2018 #72

+1... dae Feb 2018 #140

Yea, I did not have any of them either. MuseRider Feb 2018 #143

Agree 100%, I have no regrets about supporting Bernie. If he run as dae Feb 2018 #145

We won't have to worry about Bernie running as a Democrat in 2020. Bank on it! nt Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #172

Thanks but Ill wait and see. dae Feb 2018 #220

Have fun waiting. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #228

I agree! MelissaB Feb 2018 #74

He may not, ooky mcar Feb 2018 #114

I would not have believed ooky Feb 2018 #186

K mcar Feb 2018 #189

Nobody is saying that Bernie conspired with them NastyRiffraff Feb 2018 #157

And that one picture... sheshe2 Feb 2018 #194

They conspired to promote trump and Sanders and disparage Hillary Clinton. This is a BFD!! George II Feb 2018 #17

They certainly did. BOTH of those candidates BENEFITTED... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #91

In hindsight, this may explain a LOT of what went on in 2016. George II Feb 2018 #94

It sure seems to explain a lot, George mcar Feb 2018 #115

Bernie benefited so much he won the primary!!!! Dennis Donovan Feb 2018 #146

Winning the primary isn't the only benefit. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #147

Why, you're right! Bernie's a ruble-laden billionaire now! Dennis Donovan Feb 2018 #149

Who knows? Hard to say for sure. Maybe the tax returns will reveal something... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #151

Good one! Dennis Donovan Feb 2018 #156

Moving the goalposts mcar Feb 2018 #187

Only two candidates refused to reveal their tax returns. Just happens to be the two the Russians... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #178

The point was to elect Trump. Bernie was used as a wedge to divide Democrats. yardwork Feb 2018 #232

Yes, and they directed people to vote Jill Stein over Hillary. herding cats Feb 2018 #18

"They sowed anger and discontent..." BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #25

I ran into some of the same terms used in their propaganda here in 2016. herding cats Feb 2018 #48

Anointed, oligarch, etc. yardwork Feb 2018 #233

Yes, those were adopted and used freely. herding cats Feb 2018 #235

Both those terms echo Russian culture. I was suspicious from the beginning. yardwork Feb 2018 #236

I hope the people that voted Stein, wrote in or sat home Blue_true Feb 2018 #141

As do I. herding cats Feb 2018 #148

And can we please, finally stop with the mcar Feb 2018 #190

Hell yes! sheshe2 Feb 2018 #195

I am done with this silliness, she mcar Feb 2018 #197

Do you think that Sanders was involved with this ? CentralMass Feb 2018 #23

I don't rmember Sanders trying to reign anyone in.,..even when shit messages were pointed out BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #28

Exactly. It wasn't until it was unavoidable news that he mentioned Russian R B Garr Feb 2018 #33

Bernie drew huge crowds without any help from anyone. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #118

bernie lost, and likley would have lost by even more if not for the Russian assistance he accepted BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #121

My comment about my friends' children has to do with the fact that focusing on Sophia4 Feb 2018 #207

You got on the wrong train, or are deliberately trying to change the subject. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #209

Oh, please. His message was one of the reasons the R B Garr Feb 2018 #155

Hillary had over 55 % of the delegates, and Bernie had over 43% of the delegates Sophia4 Feb 2018 #204

Hillary has been a Democrat for decades. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #206

Trump had huge crowds. boston bean Feb 2018 #163

So did Don... sheshe2 Feb 2018 #199

Both drew large crowds. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #203

Nor do I. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #205

You mean "rein," not "reign." Sophia4 Feb 2018 #120

It's a good think you understood what I meant. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #122

Yes. A good think. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #126

got you thinging BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #127

Ahhh! The English language. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #131

You are a hoot... sheshe2 Feb 2018 #198

I absolutely do not believe Bernie would do this. lark Feb 2018 #29

Tad Devine has Russian connections. Russia Today is a known R B Garr Feb 2018 #30

I don't think Bernie chose some of his advisors wisely. LisaM Feb 2018 #107

Agreed, they personified the combativeness and divisiveness R B Garr Feb 2018 #160

Didn't Tad Devine have business dealings in the Ukraine with the now indicted Paul Manafort? George II Feb 2018 #116

Yes, and Tad Devine had to know the Russian playbook. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #162

I do not like Bernie at all - but I find it difficult to believe that he was involved. So my answer seaglass Feb 2018 #32

He wasnt. Its nonsense. ooky Feb 2018 #61

Yes. And its still working on a few just reading through the thread LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #95

At the very least this is finally one good reason the Sanders' Tax forms were never produced BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #34

I have issues with the tax forms as well but don't think it has anything to do with this. CentralMass Feb 2018 #37

many Sanders supporters would never have guessed Bernie's name would have shown up at all BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #47

There us nothig in this indictment that indicates that Sanders has any involvement in this. CentralMass Feb 2018 #56

did I say he was involved? His name is in the indictment though. Protectionism is not necesary BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #69

Why would anyone be surprised that the Russians were trying to get Trump elected. CentralMass Feb 2018 #73

That Russians were infiltrating Bernie sites is not a new revelation to Bernie supporters LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #102

agreed....yet so many still deny the interferance with every fiber of their being. see JPR. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #105

I'd say the vast majority of Bernie supporters are smart enough to believe it happened. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #113

Yes, you did. maryallen Feb 2018 #144

Yep, THat Tax Return Business Is A Problem Me. Feb 2018 #70

Are you say I g that his tax returns a relevant to Russians in Texas? CentralMass Feb 2018 #79

His tax returns, his vote against Russia Sanctions, his name mentioned in the indictment BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #93

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #36

You are not alone in your suspicions. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #130

I doubt it Hav Feb 2018 #43

I think exploitation of Bernie's campaign is a possibility loyalsister Feb 2018 #68

Clinton lost Michigan (blacks) by a tiny percentage. It had to have been effective there. George II Feb 2018 #80

I don't believe so. John Fante Feb 2018 #81

YOUR smoking gun? Are you alleging an agenda of the OP? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #86

I'm sure Putin was involved in it and his hatred for the Clintons goes back a long way elmac Feb 2018 #103

Wow! William769 Feb 2018 #27

I have 4 hides for telling the truth about BS. Wwcd Feb 2018 #35

The truth that Russians undermining Hillary to benefit of electing tRump CentralMass Feb 2018 #41

Ask Robert Mueller Wwcd Feb 2018 #46

There is nothing in that indictment indicating Bernie Sanders of having anything to do with this. CentralMass Feb 2018 #51

😎 Wwcd Feb 2018 #78

Remember, Rosenstein pointedly said "in this indictment", hinting that there will be others. George II Feb 2018 #82

Quite Me. Feb 2018 #76

and Jill Stein. triron Feb 2018 #39

Yep. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #99

A suggested statement for Mr. Sanders nycbos Feb 2018 #40

I doubt that hed has anything whatsoever to answer for on this matter. CentralMass Feb 2018 #45

I have to say. It is a little suspicious he voted against russian sanctions. boston bean Feb 2018 #165

Yup yup yup nycbos Feb 2018 #166

"Suspicious" indeed. I'm almost certain Tad Devine is in this up to his neck. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #184

Sure looks that way. Trumps smears against Hillary R B Garr Feb 2018 #211

Devine & Co were much sleazier than even Donald Trump, and that's saying something. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #212

Yes indeed. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #201

People in the Bernie organisation noticed this tirebiter Feb 2018 #49

No no no! moondust Feb 2018 #50

Thank you HootieMcBoob Feb 2018 #71

Of course they did! Indictments from Cha Feb 2018 #54

What? Don't tell me folks are actually surprised to read this... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #55

The indictment does not indicate any involvement by Bernie Sanders. CentralMass Feb 2018 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #60

Would you like some pepperoni on your pizza? MelissaB Feb 2018 #62

It's so easy to bring them out of the woodwork. William769 Feb 2018 #64

Yup! Hillary and Maxine Waters. Post a positive thread about Maxine and they are on it MelissaB Feb 2018 #65

You notice that too, unconditional support of the D party is the most dangerous thing you can do Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #90

So those of us who were/are Hillary supporters hamsterjill Feb 2018 #75

Never fell for it Amsterdammer Feb 2018 #133

I hope that we learn from this 4now Feb 2018 #77

That is my hope also. Blue_true Feb 2018 #142

How did they vote on Russia Sanctions? TomCADem Feb 2018 #87

Now that you mention it... Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #89

Not surprised on either count. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #88

Key lines from MUELLER indictment of 13 RUSSIANS accused of meddling in U.S. election Gothmog Feb 2018 #92

so the fears that this lets Trump off the hook....shouldn't be a pearl clutching issue at this time? BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #96

It's Mueller Time!!! bluescribbler Feb 2018 #97

Right on time. malthaussen Feb 2018 #98

Conspiracy. Not collusion. Conspiracy. Hekate Feb 2018 #104

This is huge! mcar Feb 2018 #108

It's because Sanders and Trump had immigrant parents from Europe IronLionZion Feb 2018 #109

Attention DUers! Infighting on Aisle 12! Everybody join in!!1!1!! klook Feb 2018 #112

But but the DNC... tenderfoot Feb 2018 #119

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #123

That's "delusional" and what is really delusional is that you just repeated a Russian meme stevenleser Feb 2018 #161

Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit. nt Codeine Feb 2018 #167

I guess that's one way to frame the narrative. bluedigger Feb 2018 #124

Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Jill Stein all appear to have been helped by Russian election Cha Feb 2018 #128

Bernie won most of his support based on his own views, didnt need Russias help. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #221

Millions were Inspired by Hilary.. way more Cha Feb 2018 #222

Nope, Russia wasnt helping Bernie, they were trying to hurt Hillary. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #224

Millions more were Inspired by Hillary. Cha Feb 2018 #226

At least Bernie didn't take most of the bait. athenasatanjesus Feb 2018 #129

I see the Bernie Bashers are out in force hueymahl Feb 2018 #132

What did I just post that's not true? RandySF Feb 2018 #135

I was not referring to you or your OP. NT hueymahl Feb 2018 #138

some posters had previously garnered many "hides" for speaking out on Bernie BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #137

Considering how often I got swarmed Codeine Feb 2018 #169

Where are the Sanders' tax returns? Why didn't they release them? yardwork Feb 2018 #217

I know, they jump at any excuse to throw Bernie under the bus. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #219

Gee who knew? ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #136

I am shocked, shocked I tell you! tammywammy Feb 2018 #159

Mueller's strategic flanking move around conservative swamp colluders. ffr Feb 2018 #164

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2018 #183

Sanders candidacy was always about keeping Hillary from having an easy path to the White House Renew Deal Feb 2018 #202

that's true, and is a favorite of the Corp media to do too...never take the lefty JCanete Feb 2018 #230

Exciting as it SOUNDS, I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is the CRIME? mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #208

I hope paranoia doesn't become the ruling element in our Party. jalan48 Feb 2018 #210

Paranoia is what I saw on DU in 2016. This is fresh air. yardwork Feb 2018 #238

Good BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #223