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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts) Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:58 PM Feb 2018

You can forget about Bernie running for President in 2020 [View all]

Everyone will assume Russia is helping him again, even if they aren't.

He may not have known.... but nobody will trust any "grass roots" that gets behind him.

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You can forget about Bernie running for President in 2020 [View all] scheming daemons Feb 2018 OP

Fuckin A BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #1

He runs, he gets my vote DiverDave Feb 2018 #141

Not me Joediss Feb 2018 #179

I would consider voting for him again. David__77 Feb 2018 #182

His reliability, his ability to pull in a majority is now in question more than ever. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #195

He doesn't speak for me. He didn't speak for ne when he voted against immigration reform. He didn't lunamagica Feb 2018 #214

He didn't speak for me on his pro-gun votes, lapucelle Feb 2018 #235

Yup. That's a big issue for me. I can't believe I forgot to list it. lunamagica Feb 2018 #238

Yeah Sherman A1 Feb 2018 #2

Sticking with what Ive been saying. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #3

How can you say that when you don't know who else would be running? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #10

I can easily say it. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #13

Interesting thought BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #41

I dont think he would have done as well either. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #55

After the primary, many turned against him. I wont say anything about during the primary bettyellen Feb 2018 #54

Why is it still important to you to try to delegitimize the last campaign? Ken Burch Feb 2018 #152

Ummm, I didnt say he should not have run. Im saying he should have stopped running once he lost bettyellen Feb 2018 #154

He stopped when it was decided. HRC didn't go over the top until almost the end. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #220

I stopped reading when you started to rationalize that inane shit show the BOBs put on at the DNC. bettyellen Feb 2018 #222

How could you expect those kids to just sit and cheer Ken Burch Feb 2018 #224

They were provoked into booing every black speaker? For fucks sake they showed bettyellen Feb 2018 #230

No one was booed for being black. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #232

Please, point to me where she says he shouldn't be allowed to run lunamagica Feb 2018 #215

Hes making this up as he goes along. bettyellen Feb 2018 #223

The whole point of the OP is to trash the idea of the guy running, which is pointless. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #225

See, you couldn't poit it out to me because it isn't there lunamagica Feb 2018 #226

I didn't claim she said he shouldn't be allowed to run. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #228

"why still argue that he shouldn't ever have been allowed in at all?" LanternWaste Feb 2018 #237

You're simply making inferences and allegations predicated on your own biases. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #236

He didn't do well in primaries. He did well in caucuses. LisaM Feb 2018 #81

I agree with you about the early going, but that won't last. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #119

"All to his right" mcar Feb 2018 #146

What the HELL is it with reading comprehension on DU? Jim Lane Feb 2018 #147

Ahhh...to those pitching Sanders, he is not a Democrat. The party is not going to allow... brush Feb 2018 #160

I have a question about "The party is not going to allow" it. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #167

My take is as stated. Who wants that divisive crap from 2016 repeated again from someone... brush Feb 2018 #168

Sorry, I still don't understand your answer Jim Lane Feb 2018 #173

Again, no one wants the divisiveness another Sanders campaign as a Dem will bring to the... brush Feb 2018 #194

Don't Worry About It Me. Feb 2018 #205

This. But he probably thinks he can get away with it again lunamagica Feb 2018 #216

Then He Will Have A Choice To Make Me. Feb 2018 #219

Youre so right. David__77 Feb 2018 #183

LOL, more prefabricated 2020 DNC conspiracy theories! R B Garr Feb 2018 #159

Guess he'll be running as an independent, what he is btw, because the Democratic Party... brush Feb 2018 #157

I agree. He has a base and inertia Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #12

+1 NCTraveler Feb 2018 #14

His "large base" has now been exposed as being fake, or easily duped scheming daemons Feb 2018 #17

I dont think they have been exposed as either. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #33

some had to have been the Russians... after this indictments this much is clear. I don't Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #165

The vote totals in the last primary say otherwise Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #38

Those were the easily duped. They'll be angry at themselves for falling for Russian active measures scheming daemons Feb 2018 #40

I'm among the many who weren't duped. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #92

His base was manufactured in part with Russian assisance BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #51

Also Republicans in open primaries helped. bettyellen Feb 2018 #57

Exactly. Codeine Feb 2018 #124

So true BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #129

Agree Joediss Feb 2018 #192

What lie did Bernie tell you? Jim Lane Feb 2018 #204

Yes. This. Exactly. Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2018 #76

I wasnt duped to support him. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2018 #79

Bernie supporter lindalou65 Feb 2018 #90

We can already see right here JackInGreen Feb 2018 #133

Which also points to the divisiveness that comes with Sanders as a Dem candidate. brush Feb 2018 #211

Same here Joediss Feb 2018 #181

Thank you. David__77 Feb 2018 #184

What's not to like? I have plety of stuff I do nott like about him lunamagica Feb 2018 #217

"Easily duped"? DiverDave Feb 2018 #144

That is how Trump defeated the other 16 TOP candidates--they split the slightly less tblue37 Feb 2018 #65

I disagree Gothmog Feb 2018 #28

Disagree. He only got where he did because he R B Garr Feb 2018 #44

While I do not agree that he got MuseRider Feb 2018 #48

Yes, more transparency would probably be expected. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #95

The media will not start questioning him. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #60

Yes, privileged status is an excellent description. R B Garr Feb 2018 #97

NO. Cha Feb 2018 #66

Its what I truly see happening. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #69

He's not a Democrat. There won't be a repeat of that 2016 divisiveness. The party would be crazy... brush Feb 2018 #162

Why do you think that? Why would you think that? ehrnst Feb 2018 #93

. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #120

I think that prior to vetting, it's a bit premature to crown anyone. ehrnst Feb 2018 #126

Who will be asking them? The media? NCTraveler Feb 2018 #130

So, it'll be a coronation?...nt SidDithers Feb 2018 #105

And a disaster. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #127

God, not another one. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2018 #140

LOL! R B Garr Feb 2018 #148

A caucus, maybe. Primaries, not so much. TeamPooka Feb 2018 #142

I don't think he does. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #151

He's not a Democrat. That what's going to stop him as the party would be crazy to allow that... brush Feb 2018 #163

The result against T___p would have been exactly the same if Bern had been barred from running. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #231

I don't agree at all. Some Sanders voters stayed home or voted Stein in the GE... brush Feb 2018 #234

Hmmm...no. I think he does because not enough people will vote for him. It's that simple lunamagica Feb 2018 #218

As I said, I don't think he actually WANTS to run. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #221

The guy want to run. In fact, he has bbeen running for 2020 since Nov. '16 lunamagica Feb 2018 #227

That's your interpretation. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #229

Ahhh...he lost the primaries easily in 2016. Many new, younger, attractive candidates will emerge. brush Feb 2018 #155

Bernie now has two strikes. Adrahil Feb 2018 #175

Lynch mob now! moondust Feb 2018 #4

I wasn't even worrying about it maxsolomon Feb 2018 #5

How can you say that? Has Mueller's final investigation report been released? DonViejo Feb 2018 #6

Sad to say on the other hand I still have seen his full tax returns either uponit7771 Feb 2018 #7

He had not a fucking thing to do with it and you know it. alarimer Feb 2018 #8

People don't like to find out they've been duped. scheming daemons Feb 2018 #19

Just stop with the bullshit. alarimer Feb 2018 #27

I'm assuming nothing. I'm reading it in Mueller's indictment. scheming daemons Feb 2018 #31

According to the indictment (I'm paraphrasing) Russians posed as Sanders supporters.... George II Feb 2018 #49

Guess what askyagerz Feb 2018 #86

And there it is. Codeine Feb 2018 #128

Yep we all commrades askyagerz Feb 2018 #137

Well, one big point is he's not a Democrat so pls no more 2016 divisiveness. Another point is... brush Feb 2018 #166

It may be sour grapes. David__77 Feb 2018 #188

In worry about no vote on russian sanctions. boston bean Feb 2018 #94

The usefully vague term "supporters" lends itself to a totally false impression Jim Lane Feb 2018 #96

More nonreality and pure fabrication. There are criminal R B Garr Feb 2018 #161

After the primary it was quite apparent- RT articles and stupid memes and yeah... bettyellen Feb 2018 #62

The Russians saw a chance to put a wedge between the left askyagerz Feb 2018 #84

Yeah like all the people who went to all his rally's were imported from Russia. Cobalt Violet Feb 2018 #87

Critical thinking should tell you he's not a Democrat and the party would be crazy to invite that... brush Feb 2018 #164

Latest 2020 polling show Biden polling higher than Bernie in Trump match-ups emulatorloo Feb 2018 #170

Or........... George II Feb 2018 #47

What? Is that in the reporting that it is a known fact that neither he or anyone in his Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #26

You are casting aspersions with no evidence alarimer Feb 2018 #29

How in the FUCK is my ASKING you to point me to the story that proves your assertion is me Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #30

You are the one that Sanders knew about Russian interference. alarimer Feb 2018 #34

WHERE did I say that PROVE it this INSTANT or RETRACT it THIS INSTANT Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #37

"Prove" something that wasn't said? Really? George II Feb 2018 #52

I was amazed to see such an absolute statement made so I just had to inquire. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #59

your knee jerk, defensive, apologist reactions are funny BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #56

The indictment says the Russians actively helped him. It does *NOT* say he knew about it. scheming daemons Feb 2018 #36

Exactly, to which this was said by someone Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #39

Bernie was given ample opportunity to reign in the bot messaging.... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #88

Not just bullshit -- DOUBLE bullshit! Jim Lane Feb 2018 #101

Bernie is lucky to have you in his rah-rah section BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #109

Yes, he is, and he realizes it. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #112

That's a super strange admission. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #123

Cold War mindset. David__77 Feb 2018 #187

I dont think there were many Russians at those the packed stadium rallies Fiendish Thingy Feb 2018 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #45

I'm guessing it was more Fake online support TNLib Feb 2018 #63

Maybe the Russians encouraged them to show up? And they weren't all that packed anyway. George II Feb 2018 #91

You are mistaken Fiendish Thingy Feb 2018 #100

Sanders had crowds "reported" over 10,000. Check the indictment, looks like the Russian groups.... George II Feb 2018 #136

It was the bullshit being spewed by the Broskis Codeine Feb 2018 #118

I am not sure...always a discrepancy between who went to the rally and the vote. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #208

Bernie will know what to do and do what he wants. MuseRider Feb 2018 #11

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #25

LOL MuseRider Feb 2018 #32

Why is his response so damned weak? Adrahil Feb 2018 #176

Bernie tends to not want to discuss MuseRider Feb 2018 #186

He needs to discuss it because too many of his followers fell victim to it. Adrahil Feb 2018 #190

What you demand that he say about party unity is what he SAID at the convention. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #198

It's always been Lukewarm. Adrahil Feb 2018 #200

Perhaps you should write to him. MuseRider Feb 2018 #213

Meh. He'll easily be the frontrunner at this point leftstreet Feb 2018 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #21

I think you're wrong. People hate to find out they were duped. scheming daemons Feb 2018 #23

You'll really think Trump supporters care that they were the targets of Russian interference? Ace Rothstein Feb 2018 #61

Anyone could be "the frontrunner" at this point, because there's no race.... ehrnst Feb 2018 #74

That is not true...I thought he should not run in 20 anyway because we need younger fresher Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #209

So you're OK with foreign powers picking and/or disqualifying our candidates? shanny Feb 2018 #16

That's some creative spin BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #18

It's the company I keep shanny Feb 2018 #24

I hope we will be much smarter next time 4now Feb 2018 #20

Stein will run again, if not indicted. She has no shame. samir.g Feb 2018 #22

Indicted for what? nt Snotcicles Feb 2018 #35

She should be indicted for that fucking recount scam she ran BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #43

Lots of DUers sent her money oberliner Feb 2018 #53

probably for helping Russia interfere with our election samir.g Feb 2018 #82

Plenty of us knew..... and Jill Stein certainly knew. NT Adrahil Feb 2018 #42

If I were able to go back in time... demmiblue Feb 2018 #46

I completely agree with you about both of my 2016 votes Jim Lane Feb 2018 #106

It's sad because even in late 2015 I was noticing Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #50

Exactly! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #111

Typical Jeff Weaver, imho emulatorloo Feb 2018 #171

Love Bernie, but I wouldn't be sorry if he stayed out of the race... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #58

Agreed - he did a lot of good hueymahl Feb 2018 #75

Some good and some harm WhiteTara Feb 2018 #80

I agree. He energized people who had been turned off by the sheer mountain grammy Feb 2018 #99

I think he'll have a shot at the nomination if he runs. dawg Feb 2018 #67

Sad BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #68

I once admired John Edwards BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #72

So Did I... BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #73

So essentially the Russians destroyed two Democratic candidates for the price of one? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #70

Looks that way here appalachiablue Feb 2018 #125

As long as loons like Nomiki Konst are in his camp, Sanders ain't winning shit Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #71

Bernie has a core of support. it's a cult of personality. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2018 #77

Right, no one could possibly support Bernie on the issues. Keep telling yourself that. (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2018 #108

I do not believe that to be true. I know many passionate . . . SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2018 #158

You know who else has a "Cult of Personality"? Motownman78 Feb 2018 #138

absolutely. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2018 #156

Bernie pamdb Feb 2018 #78

He's going to win. Cobalt Violet Feb 2018 #83

Lol BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #85

One assumes the assist from Putin and his bros Codeine Feb 2018 #116

Why this need to denegrate Bernie? yellowwoodII Feb 2018 #89

I am ok with him running if he choses to. Blue_true Feb 2018 #98

Of course he did not know. Bernie has integrity. applegrove Feb 2018 #102

I hope so. nycbos Feb 2018 #103

You say that "Bernie needs to explain" a vote that he explained at the time. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #110

DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2018 #104

Russians did prompt anyone to come to our cacus. waterwatcher123 Feb 2018 #107

For sure Russia will push him again because he is a massively divisive figure Exotica Feb 2018 #113

Theyre pushing him now, right here. Codeine Feb 2018 #132

And, Wall Street and the Big Banks are ecstatic with the news!! jalan48 Feb 2018 #114

Hes a one-trick pony lanlady Feb 2018 #115

Good. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #117

I dont think he would run anyway Renew Deal Feb 2018 #121

He wasn't helped by Russia the first time, and his support was and is real. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #122

People were just indicted for helping him. Codeine Feb 2018 #131

If anything like that happened, he'd have had no way of knowing it. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #135

Bernie knew Russians were dividing Democrats w anti HRC agit-prop and has said so emulatorloo Feb 2018 #172

"The first time"? How many "times" were there? George II Feb 2018 #143

The last campaign was the first time. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author Exotica Feb 2018 #145

Funny, because Bernie's platform would do a hell of a lot to make PatrickforO Feb 2018 #134

Lol. He ain't walkin' in the woods. Sorry to Burt your bubble Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #139

The Russians love this kind of thinking. bluedigger Feb 2018 #149

Let's hope ellie Feb 2018 #153

It's only fodder for Bernie haters who still blame him for HRCs loss. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #169

I actually agree with you...and that is why I think he will not win a primary...too many blame Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #212

Don't forget, only two Senators voted against the Russia sanctions (98-2) George II Feb 2018 #174

Or, to restate it, only two Senators voted against the Iran sanctions. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #197

I read his statement at the time of the vote, and to be honest I'm really not interested in... George II Feb 2018 #199

"Using Iran sanctions as an excuse" -- what complete bullshit Jim Lane Feb 2018 #201

I know it does, and it includes sanctions against North Korea as well. So we shouldn't sanction... George II Feb 2018 #203

Yet you still want it to be just about Russia. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #206

Oh ffs tymorial Feb 2018 #177

I don't know if I agree with this, but he's too fucking old anyway. n/t D23MIURG23 Feb 2018 #178

So many here said that Hillary lacked public trust, no matter if the smears were fake ehrnst Feb 2018 #180

He hasn't aknowledged it but Ari Melber's calling him out.. Cha Feb 2018 #185

I don't care for Bernie but I also don't think it is fair to blame him for this. StevieM Feb 2018 #189

I still want to know why Sanders was one of two senators to vote against the Russia sanctions DesertRat Feb 2018 #191

I'll let Bernie himself tell you why Jim Lane Feb 2018 #196

that part was nowehere near as important as russia sanctions AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #210

We had quite a few posters that sowed the seeds of discord. RT & Sputnik were their go to sources. grossproffit Feb 2018 #193

Some folks always looking for a reason to hate Bernie left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #202

I think it boils down to ones own critical thinking skills and your political issue astuteness. YOHABLO Feb 2018 #207

If he runs, he'll have my vote. LWolf Feb 2018 #233