The only way to have a "discussion" with entrenched right wingers on most any topic, and in specific this topic, is to relentlessly treat them with kid gloves, turn the other cheek when they spew their ad hominem's, fight back your gag reflex when they get all snowflakey balling about simple statement of facts that they experience as mortal personal ad hominem attacks, repressing the internal drive to smash your head off the wall over their desperate attachment to the alliterative reality they live in, before finding the "middle ground" of a single half measure they don't carry through on.

Hey - if you can do it, great.

But, the only way to dig out of this is to accept that 40% of the country is walking dead gone, to fight the battle to get our team united, and try to get the mushy middle engaged ...