My starting point is where I'd start in the discussion (Reply #71)

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SHRED (28,136 posts)

71. My starting point is where I'd start in the discussion

Legitimate hunters should want these solutions to protect their sport. Otherwise the backlash coming could be a lot worse.

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Many people may not know this about the AR15. [View all]	shockey80	Feb 2018	OP
Me too	underpants	Feb 2018	#1
I agree 100%.	Aristus	Feb 2018	#2
Easily customized to become automat machine gun-like too	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#68
Two things worth noting however	better	Feb 2018	#74
One thing worth noting, it took 30 seconds to find 30-60 BULLET clips for AR-15 online	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#101
Yes, I know.	better	Feb 2018	#189
Well, a few disagreements:	yagotme	Feb 2018	#91
I consider 1-1/2 & 2 yr olds babies	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#96
You didn't read my post correctly.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#172
Thank you. Muddled mind overcome by sadness and anger and wtfery	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#177
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2018	#180
Wonderful. "Death Bunnies" for the.....	SergeStorms	Feb 2018	#175
Tumbling Bullet Correct. Saw Two Dead VC Where Exit Wound Far From Entry Wound.	TheMastersNemesis	Feb 2018	#3
AR-15 Actually Hyped Up M-16 That Can Have Bigger Magazine.	TheMastersNemesis	Feb 2018	#4
15 holds more bullets than 16?	samir.g	Feb 2018	#36
The magazines are interchangeable	sarisataka	Feb 2018	#38
SEE THIS PIC: 30-60 BULLET clips available online, under $20 each	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#103
Keep looking. There are 120 round drums.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#123
We have the superior product	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2018	#145
Seriously bad line, aimed at the white supremist/racists imo	OhNo-Really	Feb 2018	#165
No it is not	sarisataka	Feb 2018	#40
my understanding	cab67	Feb 2018	#55
When the M-16 came out	sarisataka	Feb 2018	#75
In Vietnam...	jimmil	Feb 2018	#99
The AR-15 and the M-16 are physically identical in every way that matters to feeding a mag into	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#125
What? No.	aikoaiko	Feb 2018	#108
I am told that there are similar guns,	Yonnie3	Feb 2018	#5
there are ak lookalikes as well as some m14 lookalikes I believe as well	getagrip_already	Feb 2018	#24
Thank you.	Yonnie3	Feb 2018	#31
Knowledge is power. nt	yagotme	Feb 2018	#93
M14 vs 16	njcpa1978	Feb 2018	#199
From the tenor of your post...	ADX	Feb 2018	#6
Let's cover all the bases here--ban 'em both.	lastlib	Feb 2018	#52
I don't think anyone who wants an AR-15 ban is against banning other similar weapons...	ExciteBike66	Feb 2018	#62
Ban them all	samir.g	Feb 2018	#64
I Carried My Captain's CAR15 In Nam. It Was About 18" Long With Expandable Stock.	TheMastersNemesis	Feb 2018	#7
+1, that's right !!! The AR-15 was designed to kill a lot of people quickly !!!	uponit7771	Feb 2018	#8
Exactly... The gun is a force multiplier.	mitch96	Feb 2018	#86
Absolutely...I think the destructive power needs to be demonstrated	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#9
That seems to contradict the earlier post about	exboyfil	Feb 2018	#13
Absolutley correct...it's a combination of velocity bullet design and other factors...	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#30
any ban has to be carreful with wording.	dixiegrrrrl	Feb 2018	#92
M-1 reloading:	yagotme	Feb 2018	#94
Agreed. The .30-06 is a monster...accurate to over 1000 yards...	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#97
Not "Cartridge Fed" they are magazine fed	SonofDonald	Feb 2018	#77
Sorry for the mistake	exboyfil	Feb 2018	#82
Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#132
I refuse to argue with you...	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#135
You're misremembering. My 30-06 WILL go through my exterior wall and penetrate the neighbors	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#136
That's why it's locked up!	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#139
Ok. Maybe we're not disagreeing then?	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#141
Not in the slightest sir...	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#143
You had me at what appears to be a glass of guinness.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#144
THIS is why DU is so amazing...talking it out	Ryano42	Feb 2018	#148
Ban weapons of war	SHRED	Feb 2018	#10
agree 100% nt	shanny	Feb 2018	#11
It should be common sense	Mr. Ected	Feb 2018	#12
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2018	#168
Please illuminate me.	Mr. Ected	Feb 2018	#171
Damn straight	Clarity2	Feb 2018	#45
No semi automatics.	SHRED	Feb 2018	#46
I know nothing about guns	Clarity2	Feb 2018	#106
Semi automatic refers to the action style.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#154
What is your definition of a weapon of war?	Marengo	Feb 2018	#138
Anything not a hand gun or hunting rifle	SHRED	Feb 2018	#146
So, my Colt 1911A1, made in 1944, is safe??? n/t	yagotme	Feb 2018	#155
The Pistol, Semiautomatic, 9mm, M9 is not a weapon of war?	Marengo	Feb 2018	#159
This is silly	Calculating	Feb 2018	#14
Gun nerds.	mac56	Feb 2018	#20
You want an informed solution?	Calculating	Feb 2018	#25
Bingo. Best reply in this thread.	SlimJimmy	Feb 2018	#47
Here's a better solution	SHRED	Feb 2018	#49
a complete ban on semiautomatics would not be workable.	cab67	Feb 2018	#61
My starting point is where I'd start in the discussion	SHRED	Feb 2018	#71
The problem I see with getting "legitimate hunters" on board,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#95
Hunting is not a right.	samir.g	Feb 2018	#109
That's a different position that I'm used to hearing.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#113
It's a hobby. An obsolete one that was useful 100 years ago.	samir.g	Feb 2018	#114
Again, the arguments for banning XYZ were that they weren't	yagotme	Feb 2018	#116
fine, leave them their precious bambi-killing	samir.g	Feb 2018	#117
"For now."	yagotme	Feb 2018	#122
That makes the other side not want to come to the table.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#147
You obviously know a lot about wildlife management.	Act_of_Reparation	Feb 2018	#196
Re: Fully automatic weapons should certainly be prohibited	TwistOneUp	Feb 2018	#134
Bump stocks rapidly manipulate the trigger,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#160
What is workable	quakerboy	Feb 2018	#184
I agree	cab67	Feb 2018	#186
As unilaterally determined by you.	quakerboy	Feb 2018	#192
This is a vapid misunderstanding of my view	cab67	Feb 2018	#197
How about adding registration of each firearm and an insurance requirment like with autos?	brush	Feb 2018	#133
We only require liability insurance on cars operated on public roads.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#140
This. Step one. Day one.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#137
So are we moving the age of major majority to 21 now?	krispos42	Feb 2018	#193
Yes. Yes. And yes.	Gidney N Cloyd	Feb 2018	#23
OK, sure. Ban them all.	MineralMan	Feb 2018	#27
Not only that...	ExciteBike66	Feb 2018	#67
The 3-round burst option wasn't available back when I qualified.	MineralMan	Feb 2018	#73
Heh, I went all rock-and-roll with the burst mode at the range once	ExciteBike66	Feb 2018	#87
I think I got away with it because they had just verified	MineralMan	Feb 2018	#88
In Vietnam...	jimmil	Feb 2018	#107
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2018	#162
Ban all semi-auto long guns including the M1A	VMA131Marine	Feb 2018	#60
Thank you,	lark	Feb 2018	#15
What kind of mental health criteria would you suggest?	Marengo	Feb 2018	#157
Make it mandatory to report anyone who talks, writes about killing others.	lark	Feb 2018	#198
Yep. Not much legitimate use for that 5.56 mm round other than shredding human bodies.	Still In Wisconsin	Feb 2018	#16
What about similar cartridges, such as the .222? .22 caliber centerfire cartridges are popular for..	Marengo	Feb 2018	#32
The NATO 5.56 mm cartridge was derived from the .222 Remington sporting round	FarCenter	Feb 2018	#17
I do not have your experience, education or knowledge	genxlib	Feb 2018	#18
The AR-15 Is The Same As M-16 As To the .223 Round They Both fire.	TheMastersNemesis	Feb 2018	#56
The AR15 can fire dozens of different calibers.	Kaleva	Feb 2018	#130
One caveat. 5.56 NATO has a higher pressure rating than .223 Remington.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#149
The "loose tolerance" is that the front of the chamber is cut deeper,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#163
Yep, that's it.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#166
It'll chamber and extract OK,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#173
Not the case any more	hack89	Feb 2018	#19
They actually had trouble with the new rounds under performing in Iraq and going back to Somalia	EX500rider	Feb 2018	#105
The new round was designed to "work" with 20" barrels,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#164
I too have an expert marksman qualification on the M16	better	Feb 2018	#21
Would you be okay with that, along with licensing and serialization for ammo?	moriah	Feb 2018	#29
Yes, absolutely.	better	Feb 2018	#33
Hand guns?	Yonnie3	Feb 2018	#42
Yes, I would say that logic applies to any type of firearm.	better	Feb 2018	#70
Thank you.	Yonnie3	Feb 2018	#79
My pleasure, and thanks for the tactful discourse!	better	Feb 2018	#81
Someone posted this article in another thread:	Saviolo	Feb 2018	#90
Thanks - insightful	Yonnie3	Feb 2018	#98
The .223 and similar ammunition	jimmil	Feb 2018	#110
Thank you for sharing this point of view	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2018	#22
I grew up around hunters, not one of them ever used an AR-15 or similar	IronLionZion	Feb 2018	#26
Semi-automatic version of m-4 is illegal?	samir.g	Feb 2018	#44
The shorter barrel is illegal. There are laws for the barrel length	IronLionZion	Feb 2018	#57
Why does the m4 win?	samir.g	Feb 2018	#63
lighter, shorter, more maneuverable	IronLionZion	Feb 2018	#66
Please stop making shit up. FMJ Ball Nato is FAR less deadly than	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#153
Short barrel rifles are not illegal.	SQUEE	Feb 2018	#152
The M4 is just a flat top carbine AR-15.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#151
there should be special requirements/restrictions for any tactical class weapon.....	getagrip_already	Feb 2018	#28
Read this, it adds more details and pictures	Dem2	Feb 2018	#34
I was issued an M-16 in 1967	The Wizard	Feb 2018	#35
The powder burn rate doesn't have anything to do with the rate of fire.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#102
It was an issue	jimmil	Feb 2018	#120
If I remember correctly (and I may not be)	yagotme	Feb 2018	#126
Gore alert! this is a graphic description I'm sorry but it has to be said/posted	gfwzig	Feb 2018	#37
If you hunted	nil desperandum	Feb 2018	#43
minngal	marieo1	Feb 2018	#84
My father and grandfather used to hunt and fish	BumRushDaShow	Feb 2018	#85
You couldn't if you wanted to. No semi-auto .223 for deer in that state.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#156
+1. Good post. nt	Honeycombe8	Feb 2018	#178
It's certainly a derivative, but sold to hunters also....	nil desperandum	Feb 2018	#39
Military style firearms should be banned	Progressive dog	Feb 2018	#41
Hey, Mr. Expert.....	Adrahil	Feb 2018	#48
Hey, mr pedantic internet guy	samir.g	Feb 2018	#53
Yes, I know... knowledge is useless...	Adrahil	Feb 2018	#76
It's not pedantery to show a post is complete bullshit from stem to stern.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#158
So, where was he wrong??? nt	yagotme	Feb 2018	#167
Post 48 specifies clearly, and accurately where it was wrong.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#174
My bad. I thought you were suggesting the explanation was wrong.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#176
Yeah, no it was the OP that is off the rails	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#183
Out of curiosity,	sarisataka	Feb 2018	#50
Your arguing against	Sgent	Feb 2018	#51
I was in college when the AR-15 was developed.	mikehiggins	Feb 2018	#54
The AR-15 and M16 are Meatgrinders and weapons of death....	Pachamama	Feb 2018	#58
Thanks so much for making this point, shockey80.	calimary	Feb 2018	#59
It is crazy	stanleyollie	Feb 2018	#65
The ones used by the military are way less deadly than ones civilians can buy	GulfCoast66	Feb 2018	#69
I learned the facts about the M16 in basic training in 1967	Stainless	Feb 2018	#72
K&R	stonecutter357	Feb 2018	#78
When they trained me in the M-16...	malthaussen	Feb 2018	#80
minngal	marieo1	Feb 2018	#83
My proposal: any gun that can cut a small adult in half in 10 seconds should be banned.	BamaRefugee	Feb 2018	#89
So, you want to ban shotguns?	yagotme	Feb 2018	#104
Hell yes I do.	samir.g	Feb 2018	#111
So, an all out ban on everything.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#115
Maybe not all at once, but we are on the right side of history	samir.g	Feb 2018	#119
What history is that?? nt	yagotme	Feb 2018	#124
The same one most of the civilized world belongs to	Wednesdays	Feb 2018	#188
You're going to tell me, a shotgun owner and user for over 50 years, that someone with a shotgun	BamaRefugee	Feb 2018	#128
You want me to provide proof, but you don't want to hear technical facts.	yagotme	Feb 2018	#129
Techical facts are always published, annotated, cross-referenced so yeh	BamaRefugee	Feb 2018	#131
Don't know where you got the part about where	yagotme	Feb 2018	#142
Neither can the AR-15.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2018	#161
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2018	#170
Except the M16 (and variants) can fire full automatic and the AR15 is always semi-auto.	aikoaiko	Feb 2018	#100
I was going to ask about that: Do AR15s & AR16s rapid-fire?	Honeycombe8	Feb 2018	#179
ARs don't shoot any faster than any other semi-auto rifle.	aikoaiko	Feb 2018	#195
Note- the damage isn't just AR-15's-	James48	Feb 2018	#112
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2018	#118
google "hunting with AR15" and you'll see a ton of pictures of game killed with ARs	aikoaiko	Feb 2018	#121
A single shot rifle chambered for the .223 round does the exact same thing	Kaleva	Feb 2018	#127
All Assault Rifles?	erpowers	Feb 2018	#150
An "assault rifle", by definition,	yagotme	Feb 2018	#169
Ban Them	Capperdan	Feb 2018	#181
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2018	#182
AR-15s were banned from 1994 to 2004. That Ban was ruled Constitutional,	tclambert	Feb 2018	#185
Manufacturers changed the name which essentially unbanned the AR-15	Kaleva	Feb 2018	#187
Lawrence talked about this tonight, read some quotes from shock/trauma specialists ...	eppur_se_muova	Feb 2018	#190
In the 70's, even the "girls" in the service trained on them.	raven mad	Feb 2018	#191
Politicians that support AR-15's in our society	duforsure	Feb 2018	#194

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