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Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
31. Really? You'll look out for us?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:07 AM
Jul 2012

Shouldn't gun deaths be much lower given that logic? Your right to access guns has yet to be infringed and yet gun deaths are so high? How is that looking out for us? Where is this payoff of protection gun access is supposed to bring us you speak of?

*yawn* LAGC Jul 2012 #1
I already FEEL SAFE. It's ALIVE I apparently have to argue about. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #3
Should we take away everyone's cars because a few idiots drive drunk and kill people? LAGC Jul 2012 #4
Cars = Guns is NOT a solution. (EDIT: Maybe it could work?) IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #6
"I. Am. Done. Arguing." pintobean Jul 2012 #7
The argument is over; we are now finding a solution to the problem. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #17
"sit down and be quiet" hack89 Jul 2012 #130
Not a "dead issue" - its the dead PEOPLE. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #136
You're the one looking for a solution. LAGC Jul 2012 #139
We HAVE a solution. Melt 'em all down, and there won't be any gun crimes. lastlib Jul 2012 #174
Except, of course, for weapons in the hands of government employees slackmaster Jul 2012 #179
ok, great! You support the death penalty too! It's nice to not feel alone..... but.... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2012 #212
I'm actually against the death penalty, and don't think it is a deterrent. LAGC Jul 2012 #270
I thought I was replying to the poster below you, "lastlib" who said.. Ghost in the Machine Jul 2012 #289
My bad, I thought you were replying to me. LAGC Jul 2012 #293
Here is my solution to gun crime hack89 Jul 2012 #141
Isn't this the same mentality that gave us the patriot act, DHS, TSA screeners and the like? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #146
+100000000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #278
Well said. Generally speaking "reasonable" gun control to folks like the OP mean take ALL the guns SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #291
You're right, the argument is over. pintobean Jul 2012 #308
If you're worried about keeping people alive, go fight heart disease. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #311
+1 well said. SemperEadem Jul 2012 #11
The only "false equivilency" is that there is no right to own a car in the Constitution. LAGC Jul 2012 #36
neener neener? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #49
Wow. That is a powerful visual. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #91
only if youre part of a militia which we dont have so there goes the 2nd amendmnt and your leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #61
Part of two militias actually. Clames Jul 2012 #65
does neighborhood watch count? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #73
President Obama disagrees with you. LAGC Jul 2012 #153
Read that again, because it presupposes the ability to REGULATE your precious nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #188
I'll bet I'm better regulated than you. One thing I learned from Vietnam... slackmaster Jul 2012 #201
Whoosh nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #211
The problem with universal background checks is that it is de facto registration. LAGC Jul 2012 #205
There you go, predictable talking point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #216
All of what you said...PLUS... polmaven Jul 2012 #72
The only ONE intended purpose of a gun. LAGC Jul 2012 #138
Cars are not designed with the PRIMARY INTENT to hurt or kill someone. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 #215
Who says guns are? LAGC Jul 2012 #271
Wrong! The primary purpose of guns is to punch holes in living things, including humans. RC Jul 2012 #279
Well, all of the guns I've ever owned in my life, and those of most everyone I know must all be LAGC Jul 2012 #281
it transcends the constitution - don't you get that?????? DrDan Jul 2012 #8
"Feeling safe" is NOT an inalienable right. LAGC Jul 2012 #39
Not until you use it to defend your guns malaise Jul 2012 #43
ok - I agree DrDan Jul 2012 #47
Not until you use it to defend your guns tiny elvis Jul 2012 #51
Most gun-owners don't own guns to "feel safe" either. LAGC Jul 2012 #56
fun trumps murder? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #64
Absolutely. LAGC Jul 2012 #69
no happiness without it? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #74
The right to gun people down in the streets is not in the Constitution either. RC Jul 2012 #102
+1000 nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #251
These INALIENABLE RIGHTS MrDiaz Jul 2012 #50
these "American" constitutional rights are subject to restrictions DrDan Jul 2012 #54
the 2nd admendment gives every single AMERICAN the right to own and bear arms tiny elvis Jul 2012 #59
subject to restrictions DrDan Jul 2012 #62
you wrote something that has no meaning tiny elvis Jul 2012 #67
so you really don't believe there are restrictions? DrDan Jul 2012 #114
Yet, 100% background checks are popular except iwth the precsious crowd nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #199
Wrong yet again. Florida is 24th in death rates from guns. SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #294
Quit it with facts. CokeMachine Jul 2012 #298
Sorry, it just erks me when someone uses blatently false information. SlimJimmy Jul 2012 #300
ubiquity meets such a demand in practice tiny elvis Jul 2012 #210
in the hands of CRIMINALS MrDiaz Jul 2012 #255
and non-criminals DrDan Jul 2012 #259
lost only in some states, but ask a repub if votes are dangerous tiny elvis Jul 2012 #261
No right in the constituion is free and clear of regulations and limits nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #195
Bill of Rights = Natural Rights = Inalienable Rights hack89 Jul 2012 #132
good try - and perhaps you think it is your inalienable right - but way off base DrDan Jul 2012 #160
So show me the case history that says otherwise. hack89 Jul 2012 #164
felons are denied 2A rights - for the safety of the citizens DrDan Jul 2012 #166
Are felons denied inalienable rights also? hack89 Jul 2012 #167
in the name of the safety for the rest of us DrDan Jul 2012 #173
All the rights must be balanced hack89 Jul 2012 #182
whatever helps you sleep at night deacon_sephiroth Jul 2012 #25
+100 nt Skip Intro Jul 2012 #284
Yuppers. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #309
i love it... xchrom Jul 2012 #2
I'm in as a... GTurck Jul 2012 #27
Well said! nt IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #92
No they don't... sendero Jul 2012 #5
and cars are regulated - and registered DrDan Jul 2012 #9
I have no problem with .. sendero Jul 2012 #10
insurance, registration, strict controls, enforcement, age limits, learners permits, inspections DrDan Jul 2012 #15
Brilliant! I'm all for this! deacon_sephiroth Jul 2012 #28
exactly - plus there is a worthwhile purpose for cars DrDan Jul 2012 #32
Same as there is with guns. LAGC Jul 2012 #45
are they fun to rub and lick? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #83
Gosh, I wouldn't have thought so, but now that you mention it... Orrex Jul 2012 #95
I'd like to see hard statistics on that Orrex Jul 2012 #94
It's a false NRA talking point. DanTex Jul 2012 #104
That study's methodology is flawed, like others of its kind. LAGC Jul 2012 #190
Call the NRA Talking Points what they really are bongbong Jul 2012 #280
The main difference is driving is a privilege, owning guns is a right. LAGC Jul 2012 #44
Damn if accidental deaths from car accidents aren't way down, just safeinOhio Jul 2012 #38
Sure, let's do the car thing. Clames Jul 2012 #75
nice try DrDan Jul 2012 #105
You want guns treated like cars. Clames Jul 2012 #177
not worth a response DrDan Jul 2012 #178
Then why did you bother to type that? Clames Jul 2012 #209
LAGC beat you to this one, but I am glad you like this solution, too! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #14
Do you know what a magnitude of order is? EOTE Jul 2012 #16
Millions of people get benefit from relatively inexpensive transportation. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #18
Did you mean to reply to me? NT EOTE Jul 2012 #40
Oops! In a hurry! Sorry! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #78
"...about 30K people die annually from gun violence in the U.S."??? Here's a link showing fewer Petrushka Jul 2012 #93
Here you go. EOTE Jul 2012 #142
When you said, "gun violence ", I took for granted that you meant murder. In any case . . . Petrushka Jul 2012 #149
Because people who are killed otherwise, aren't killed in a violent manner? EOTE Jul 2012 #161
Sorry I asked a question. My bad! But . . . thanks again for the link, nonetheless. Petrushka Jul 2012 #273
Why would self inflicted gunshots count as gun violence? EX500rider Jul 2012 #295
Because self-inflicted violence is still violence? EOTE Jul 2012 #299
Actually, cars only kill slightly more people than guns. DanTex Jul 2012 #70
Millions of people benefit from inexpensive transportation. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #80
My rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness justanidea Jul 2012 #12
how'd that work out with second-hand smoke? DrDan Jul 2012 #22
I guess all good things have to end somewhere deacon_sephiroth Jul 2012 #29
you have to change the constitution to allow non- militia people to carry guns leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #63
Not so. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #111
Wrong bongbong Jul 2012 #304
Nope. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #313
Stop at "LIFE" - its the one where we seem to be having the problem. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #87
So you feel that you forfeit you right to life when you enter a place that doesn't allow guns? Orrex Jul 2012 #90
Maybe this makes you feel better era veteran Jul 2012 #13
Really? You'll look out for us? Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #31
Payoff for protection? How about 236 years as a Republic? Forget all that? era veteran Jul 2012 #79
I know Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #110
Nazi Germany era veteran Jul 2012 #244
Yet, when the US helped Adenauer and the rest WRITE the post war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #248
We were still occupying Germany as a conquerer. era veteran Jul 2012 #287
Gee so we can do that because of that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #301
The problem with your argument Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #275
Since you bring it up era veteran Jul 2012 #283
Concentration camps???? So we're getting our talking points from Joe the Plumber now? nt DanTex Jul 2012 #119
What did you just post? era veteran Jul 2012 #246
Umm, the majority of Democrats don't think that gun control had anything to do with the holocaust. DanTex Jul 2012 #312
Historical Genocide era veteran Jul 2012 #288
Cause Chicago and DC show us that banning guns stops murders joeglow3 Jul 2012 #112
People can't go outside dc and Chicago Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #116
Do criminals need to leave DC or Chicago joeglow3 Jul 2012 #186
That's odd deacon_sephiroth Jul 2012 #34
The 1% already took over the country? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #46
That meme is bullshit era veteran Jul 2012 #76
That is a joke, right? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #82
Thanks for all your helpful insight era veteran Jul 2012 #100
If you're happy with referring Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #124
There is no debate The 2nd Amendment is clear era veteran Jul 2012 #165
Hate to point this out nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #219
Considering how well the insurgency in Iraq... Clames Jul 2012 #241
What else did they use nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #245
You are seriously clueless. Clames Jul 2012 #254
Of course you do, why the next civil war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #302
Also don't forget CokeMachine Jul 2012 #305
Ah two more fantasies nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #306
Hello era veteran Jul 2012 #250
Contextually they were BOTH internal rebellions nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #257
And watch the smug punks come out of their dark corners to rub you face in the geckosfeet Jul 2012 #19
THE TERRORISTS WIN! deacon_sephiroth Jul 2012 #37
describe the difference between taking guns away tiny elvis Jul 2012 #89
I'm afraid JackInGreen Jul 2012 #20
Was there a solution posted by the OP? Clames Jul 2012 #21
See post #30. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #33
Keep a gun? Clames Jul 2012 #48
You want to keep a gun, get to work thinking! xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #52
You can own as many guns as you want; I can regulate the heck out of the bullets then. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #85
All of which would be declared unconstitutional joeglow3 Jul 2012 #115
? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #123
Leaving aside the fact you can't actually do any of those things, let's pretend you could dmallind Jul 2012 #148
Very well stated!! CokeMachine Jul 2012 #307
Exactly Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #23
What Can You Do About It? billy_j Jul 2012 #24
That is the point exactly. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #30
And I'll back you up on this Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #41
So what other hobbyists are responsible for making it safe for others around them? LAGC Jul 2012 #42
As a matter of fact, YES. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #96
The same thing is already true for forearms. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #122
Well smart guy. 99Forever Jul 2012 #108
What are you doing to ensure OTHER pool owners are taking the same responsibility? Marengo Jul 2012 #267
Ask me that the next time someones pool ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #285
I've got you covered on that one, IdaBriggs slackmaster Jul 2012 #137
Interesting idea. Pab Sungenis Jul 2012 #197
IMO reducing stolen firearms would reduce law enforcement and emergency medical costs slackmaster Jul 2012 #198
I'm serious. I think it would be a good idea. Pab Sungenis Jul 2012 #202
I like this, slackmaster. It makes sense to me. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #243
Bravo! liberal N proud Jul 2012 #26
Hmmm xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #35
Finally. A post in this thread that makes sense. leftofcool Jul 2012 #53
that's right cause your ar15 is going to fend off the govrmnt if they come after you leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #58
Really? Offer proof of your claim, please. Thor_MN Jul 2012 #66
world history is my proof xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #151
So tell me, how well did that work out nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #222
Funny how Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #68
Most defensive gun uses don't involve killing anyone. LAGC Jul 2012 #71
Most defensive gun uses aren't actually "defensive" DanTex Jul 2012 #81
So I've read on DU recently. klook Jul 2012 #214
Wow. Nicely phrased! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #256
Japan? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #145
Firstly Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #171
Im not paranoid. xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #131
No, not really nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #221
KNR...the gun aficionados don't seem to realize it's called the Bill of RightS joeybee12 Jul 2012 #55
I support the entire Bill of Rights. LAGC Jul 2012 #57
Excellent OP IdaBriggs, and same for your subsequent posts. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH secondwind Jul 2012 #60
Thank you. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #98
And every mass murderer started out as A CHILD! Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #77
LOL! Yes. And every criminal started out as a smarty pants. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #86
I don't own any assault weapons michreject Jul 2012 #84
That is part of the problem - you can only control YOU IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #97
I don't drink or do drugs michreject Jul 2012 #103
It's not guns that scare me LynneSin Jul 2012 #88
It would be inconvenient to own a shitload of penises. Orrex Jul 2012 #99
Nuts generally are paired up with a penis. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #196
DUzy! Pab Sungenis Jul 2012 #204
How does that apply to all the millions of women gun-owners? LAGC Jul 2012 #143
This isn't about people who own a gun LynneSin Jul 2012 #152
Thanks for the post! Javaman Jul 2012 #101
Yep you're done. dmallind Jul 2012 #106
Yawn. More "neener neener" - now address the issues, please. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #120
A billion dollars would make me happy. Alduin Jul 2012 #107
Are. You. Done. ileus Jul 2012 #109
People are killed by Bellerophon Jul 2012 #113
Read the thread: Tens of Millions drive, and receive a benefit from get benefit. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #126
You say you're done arguing so I won't bother refuting your claims 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #117
The "arguing" was over whether random gun violence was a new, acceptable norm. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #121
I doubt there was ANY actual "argument" over that point. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #125
Unfortunately, the "neener neener" crowd disagrees with you. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #127
Fortunately, it's NOT getting worse. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #134
Saying "the problem isn't really that bad" isn't working for me. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #170
You realize I said no such thing, right? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #228
Gun violence is on the decline 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #129
all recent violence aside tiny elvis Jul 2012 #249
LOL, was this a serious post? Logical Jul 2012 #118
Whoops - just understood your PM! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #128
7 out of possible 10 points slackmaster Jul 2012 #133
Thank you - thank you very much! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #140
Please see reply #137 - I haven't overlooked the content of your OP, but I consider it proper... slackmaster Jul 2012 #157
The RKBA is an inalienable right hack89 Jul 2012 #135
If they were natural and inalienable, they wouldn't need to be enumerated Orrex Jul 2012 #150
So none of the BOR are inalienable rights? OK. hack89 Jul 2012 #154
If they were natural and inalienable, they wouldn't need to be enumerated Orrex Jul 2012 #159
So show me where in the US system of justice, inalienable rights trump enumerated rights. hack89 Jul 2012 #162
I'm arguing the opposite. Orrex Jul 2012 #229
I think we agree - sorry for the confusion. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #230
I'll totallly kick you ass for agreeing with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!! Orrex Jul 2012 #238
The phrase "inalienable rights" isn't found in the Constitution but . . . Petrushka Jul 2012 #144
Got me on that one. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #163
Didn't the British soldiers who fought on this side of the pond have the same "inalienable rights"? Petrushka Jul 2012 #269
Thank you IdaBriggs. 99Forever Jul 2012 #147
The NRA has over 4 million members. LAGC Jul 2012 #155
The current population of the USA is ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #168
There are 80 million gun owners in the United States. LAGC Jul 2012 #176
"Mobilized" 99Forever Jul 2012 #181
My goodness, no! LAGC Jul 2012 #193
Mobilized to act and vote disidoro01 Jul 2012 #207
33 posts... 99Forever Jul 2012 #220
no disidoro01 Jul 2012 #290
Wow, I'm stunned. 99Forever Jul 2012 #292
Just don't make the mistake of all gun owners nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #225
If I'm over the top... 99Forever Jul 2012 #272
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #227
the pool analogy disidoro01 Jul 2012 #156
K&R xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #169
Our pool... 99Forever Jul 2012 #175
K&R Thanks Ida qb Jul 2012 #158
Guess it's obvious, our kids will never play together. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #172
And what did they think of the new Batman movie? IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #185
My kids are sane and mature. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #194
Militia wear uniforms dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #180
Actually, only members of the organized components of the militia e.g. National Guard wear uniforms. slackmaster Jul 2012 #184
Where does that mention uniforms? dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #189
Members of the unorganized militia aren't combatants slackmaster Jul 2012 #191
The art students on campus all wear uniform clothing. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #192
That's because art students are all strive to be unique individuals slackmaster Jul 2012 #203
I like the sculpture-art students. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #218
This has some serious points - a "knight in shining armor" concept, maybe? IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #236
Anyone else notice xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #183
Nobody is more blind to a hypocrite's logical inconsistencies than the hypocrite himself or herself slackmaster Jul 2012 #187
For heaven's sake, SAFETY CONCERNS for your HOBBY are not a dictatorship! IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #208
Is anybody telling you to give up your precious nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #233
Yawning facepalm... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #200
No they don't kctim Jul 2012 #206
This is tongue in cheek and I'm the only one who gets it. Right? badtoworse Jul 2012 #213
IdaBriggs, "And you won't like my solution. I promise." aikoaiko Jul 2012 #217
Sounds like the same kind logic ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #223
Not well for them but it led to a law to prevent that from happening to gun manufacturers. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #240
Doesn't that make .. 99Forever Jul 2012 #286
Big Tobacco was done in because the contemplated and LAWFUL use of their product caused harm. badtoworse Jul 2012 #242
Mommy can put her foot down as often as she wants.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #224
Sigh. "Neener neener" - right? IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #237
I can sum up my opinion regarding your little screed... -..__... Jul 2012 #226
Yes, its clear. Didn't they all die? IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #239
I understand your frustration, but I don't think you have a point other cali Jul 2012 #231
I think I'm going to do a little more, cali. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #253
What about the gun owners' "inalienable right Marcia Brady Jul 2012 #232
They come in order of importance: Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #234
The phase "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" appears in the Declaration of Synicus Maximus Jul 2012 #235
Because it is one of the major concepts on which our country is founded - IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #247
ah but it does have power in the law DrDan Jul 2012 #264
IMO the Declaration is implicitly referenced in the Constitution dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #274
In this RW-graced country, 2nd Amendment rights trump all others and if you indepat Jul 2012 #252
Amen! People who own guns, EACH OF YOU are personally responsible for the actions hughee99 Jul 2012 #258
that's because it transcends the constitution DrDan Jul 2012 #260
In general, hughee99 Jul 2012 #277
Please see the 10th amendment. ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #265
1 - 2 - 3 - 4... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #262
And another "neener neener" answer. IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #266
Your welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #268
Dear President Obama (www.whitehouse.gov) IdaBriggs Jul 2012 #263
someday people will look back and call it "the right to slaughter their fellow citizens" in the CTyankee Jul 2012 #276
No, you are NOT clear guardian Jul 2012 #282
They'll get huffy and inveigh some more on the internet. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2012 #296
If only we could ban guns... EX500rider Jul 2012 #297
+1.000.000! LiberalEsto Jul 2012 #303
You have my permission to go ahead and do what you say we won't like. Kaleva Jul 2012 #310
Locking SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #314
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