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Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
4. And also that they are too old....time to move along because they are not fresh faced.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:41 PM
Feb 2018

I believe people are severely underestimating the importance of experience....ESPECIALLY in politics.

THIS. LisaM Feb 2018 #1
Do you know how old Feinstein is? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #112
There have been others who have stayed in the senate when older than Feinstein. C Moon Feb 2018 #115
Strom Thurmond? True Blue American Feb 2018 #128
She was born before Social Security was a thing... Baconator Feb 2018 #179
the hell she is! shes in better shape than i am mentally... and im 10 yrs younger.... samnsara Feb 2018 #130
Check out some of the things that Betty White has done and said recently. She's 95. George II Feb 2018 #140
Betty White's an anomaly. Plus she's not in politics, which may contribute to her longevity onetexan Feb 2018 #160
Betty White can pick and choose what she wants to do. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #161
Isn't 80 too old to be President, then? Why no spammed posts about R B Garr Feb 2018 #190
Oops! nt stevenleser Feb 2018 #202
I think so. Male or female. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #209
She's a politician, not a gardener or carpenter or any R B Garr Feb 2018 #211
Dianne Feinstein "can pick and choose what she wants to do." She chooses to continue to do.... George II Feb 2018 #198
When she is in the Congress, she cannot pick and choose, not if she wants to do Sophia4 Feb 2018 #208
agree. There comes a time when it's important for the candidate to quit on their own to make room onetexan Feb 2018 #159
government is complex Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #201
You sound like you are projecting age issues onto Feinstein R B Garr Feb 2018 #188
Of course you shouldn't run. 74 with 0 experience, Hortensis Feb 2018 #189
So's the Notorious RBG.. 84, Long May She Wave!. . . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2018 #195
And who are you to decide when she should retire? DarleenMB Feb 2018 #196
Your bias is obvious. You attack male statesmen onit2day Feb 2018 #213
I'll Join You IN That Me. Feb 2018 #2
Old men, old women...perhaps its time to empower younger candidates. Magoo48 Feb 2018 #125
I kinda agree but not many 'youngers' have the political savvy thats been cultivated thru years.. samnsara Feb 2018 #129
Qualified, Experienced Me. Feb 2018 #146
The democratic party is 2 generations behind where it should be... Baconator Feb 2018 #180
Can't rec this enough. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #3
And also that they are too old....time to move along because they are not fresh faced. Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #4
yes i agree... experience is EVERYTHING is politics...if ya wanna win. samnsara Feb 2018 #131
Ain't that the truth!!!!! tonyt53 Feb 2018 #137
ELECTRIC CARS? HIGH SPEED RAIL? Plucketeer Feb 2018 #149
People not being cars or fuel, your post is ridiculous EffieBlack Feb 2018 #153
The same people hate them that hate Hillary. Yes -- those achieving women are mocked for not being pnwmom Feb 2018 #5
Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2018 #10
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #31
Exactly. And most of these women have more experience by the time they get to Congress than politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #47
BOTS pushing Sexist, Anti-Senior Women Politicians, divide conquer OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #70
2018 is NOT THE TIME TO SPLIT THE DEM PARTY, GET A FREAKIN BRAIN OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #72
Hell yes. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #6
Well said. There is a whole lot of stupid out there and it justhanginon Feb 2018 #7
Here is my dream: Mueller takes 9 more months. Democrats demolish Squinch Feb 2018 #8
Sweet revenge! democratisphere Feb 2018 #49
I would love that dottie66 Feb 2018 #51
That is a dream... Baconator Feb 2018 #184
It's a LAME "catch-all" attack from the lunatics... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #9
And they don't seem to have learned from the Trump nightmare that experience DOES make a difference EffieBlack Feb 2018 #11
This is exactly the crux of it all now. It's like a blind stubborness that is R B Garr Feb 2018 #71
Change seems to always, always be automatically "better" ehrnst Feb 2018 #36
But Catch How Often Me. Feb 2018 #147
True. This hasn't gone unnoticed. They're not as clever as they believe. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #172
She has been a great leader of our party hueymahl Feb 2018 #207
I love your OPs, Effie! mcar Feb 2018 #12
Who has done more? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2018 #13
I work in matters where my performance GaryCnf Feb 2018 #14
You've completely missed the point of my OP EffieBlack Feb 2018 #17
Amid a bunch of excellent points GaryCnf Feb 2018 #22
I didn't say that at all EffieBlack Feb 2018 #24
Argh GaryCnf Feb 2018 #27
Exactly! brer cat Feb 2018 #15
K&R Scurrilous Feb 2018 #16
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #18
Unlike Biden EffieBlack Feb 2018 #21
Said the Russian bots, fuck that I don't have to make the same mistake twice !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #28
... ehrnst Feb 2018 #38
Yeah. I heard that about Planned Parenthood too. ehrnst Feb 2018 #42
Can you be more specific? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #44
BUT GaryCnf Feb 2018 #19
Thank you. I'm glad to see this post from you, EffieBlack. NBachers Feb 2018 #20
minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #23
You're confusing policy with place. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #25
Pelosi and Clinton are more progressive than Feinstein but get the same treatment EffieBlack Feb 2018 #35
Notice I didn't address Pelosi RandomAccess Feb 2018 #43
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #59
Your comments about Clinton are somewhat contradictory. The "toxic" part was R B Garr Feb 2018 #73
Uh, no. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #78
She was polling in the high 60s when she was Secretary of State. StevieM Mar 2018 #217
Yes, as has been pointed out many, many times -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #222
Nope. HRC never had the kind of poll numbers she enjoyed while Secretary of State before that time. StevieM Mar 2018 #226
That's not what I said RandomAccess Mar 2018 #230
Well put hueymahl Feb 2018 #178
And isn't it always just a bit discouraging RandomAccess Feb 2018 #194
Yes, but that is nothing new hueymahl Feb 2018 #205
Sigh.Too true. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #214
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2018 #26
Agree agree agree agree lkinwi Feb 2018 #29
*** K&R!!!! DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE !!! *** uponit7771 Feb 2018 #30
Please say this more often, all of us need to. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #32
Look what Gillibrand and her co-horts did to Franken! True Blue American Feb 2018 #187
Didn't Pelosi sponsor the first semi-automatic ban back under Clinton? panader0 Feb 2018 #33
Nancy Pelosi is THE most effective Speaker and Minority Leader in decades EffieBlack Feb 2018 #39
Gloria Steinem nailed it when she said ehrnst Feb 2018 #34
I agree. brer cat Feb 2018 #135
Me Too, to borrow a phrase mchill Feb 2018 #37
Exactly. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #40
This (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #150
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #41
Like em or not, they are establishment Yupster Feb 2018 #45
I WISH that politicians like Feinstein & Pelosi were the "establishment." ehrnst Feb 2018 #50
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #123
I didn't say they aren't "establishment" EffieBlack Feb 2018 #54
This!!!! ehrnst Feb 2018 #120
Oh good lord Egnever Feb 2018 #163
Then Bernie Sanders is establishment. murielm99 Feb 2018 #107
But that's different. ehrnst Feb 2018 #121
Yeah, I know. murielm99 Feb 2018 #185
I saw the guy running against her and his beef was incrementalism redstateblues Feb 2018 #46
Every other sentence, he worked in "status quo." ehrnst Feb 2018 #48
And it's men doing the attacking n/t Blaukraut Feb 2018 #52
and I'm angry our Female women are usually "too establishment" if they are older than 50 years old trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #53
WRONG ! vkkv Feb 2018 #55
People who insist that Pelosi needs to be replaced seem to have no idea what EffieBlack Feb 2018 #68
Ah, you mean like a "den mother" ? vkkv Feb 2018 #98
No, not like a "den mother" - like a Speaker of the House EffieBlack Feb 2018 #99
She needs to retire... vkkv Feb 2018 #100
She needs to do whatever she and her constituents want. MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #132
That's how it works in this country, a person's constituents elect him/her, not outsiders. George II Feb 2018 #144
When lived in SF, 1988 to 1999, I voted for her. I would still vote for her as a Rep. - but not for vkkv Feb 2018 #175
Why? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #151
She's fine for the left - but the right and middle have been brainwashed to hate her. vkkv Feb 2018 #173
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Feb 2018 #143
Isn't Wendy Davis from Texas? Is she in the House of Representatives? George II Feb 2018 #145
When she ran for Governor.. She might have won in this climate. vkkv Feb 2018 #170
I do not agree GWC58 Feb 2018 #56
Well said...++++++++++++++++++ agree. I'm a Californian and will vote for Sen Feinstein. iluvtennis Feb 2018 #57
Same here wryter2000 Feb 2018 #65
Feinstein is a woman the Russians fear like Hillary MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #58
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #60
Feinstein is the one who ignored the Republicans and published those PatrickforO Feb 2018 #61
Because she is being challenged Egnever Feb 2018 #164
Not really. This Trump coup is unprecedented. Did you see R B Garr Feb 2018 #165
Funny thing - they accuse her of not doing the right things EffieBlack Feb 2018 #167
Yes, it is predictable. It looks like they can't accept that the strategy R B Garr Feb 2018 #181
The only way zentrum Feb 2018 #62
You are 100% right!! spooky3 Feb 2018 #63
K&R JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #64
Pelosi is damn good at her job mythology Feb 2018 #66
do not fall into the divisive trap being set by the russians tiredtoo Feb 2018 #67
Surely, you're not saying I'M falling into a Russian trap by standing up for our female stalwarts? EffieBlack Feb 2018 #69
No tiredtoo Feb 2018 #85
I suggest you direct your lectures to those who are attacking our female stalwarts EffieBlack Feb 2018 #88
point one out to me and i will gladly lecture them. EOM tiredtoo Feb 2018 #90
Great post. The irony is that Feinstein said herself that she thought about R B Garr Feb 2018 #74
Great point! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #75
Feinstein and Pelosi are part of the establishment... mudstump Feb 2018 #76
It wasn't Feinstein's and Pelosi's fault that too many progressives got a boo boo hurt because Obama EffieBlack Feb 2018 #81
Most Righteous Post, EffieBlack🍃 Wwcd Feb 2018 #83
:-) EffieBlack Feb 2018 #84
the left has been really fucking stupid expecting their reps to stick their necks out while certainot Feb 2018 #92
Amen!!! Misogyny Takes Many Forms Including Demanding Accomplished Women "Step Aside" dlk Feb 2018 #77
Amen! It's Long Past Time to Call BS on this Insidious Form of Misogyny dlk Feb 2018 #79
Spot on, EffieBlack Hekate Feb 2018 #80
Thank you EricMaundry Feb 2018 #82
So no more primaries Bettie Feb 2018 #86
You surely didn't get that from my OP EffieBlack Feb 2018 #89
Damn right! apcalc Feb 2018 #87
Liking them or not it's certainly not because they're women lunatica Feb 2018 #91
I never said you like or dislike them because they're women nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #95
You said they are attacked as "too establishment" because they are women meadowlander Feb 2018 #105
I did NOT say "they are attacked as 'too establishment' because they are women" EffieBlack Feb 2018 #117
Really? Because thats one of the things I got from your post as well whopis01 Feb 2018 #122
That's literally the title of your OP. meadowlander Feb 2018 #169
You need to learn the definition of "literally". Nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #177
Yeah, you actually did melman Feb 2018 #182
Whatever EffieBlack Feb 2018 #183
DiFi's Assault Weapon Ban is the only one ever passed. tirebiter Feb 2018 #93
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #94
K&R betsuni Feb 2018 #96
👏🏼👏🏽👏🏾👏🏻👏🏿 MLAA Feb 2018 #97
Kick again Hekate Feb 2018 #101
I lived in California for a number of years. I love CA Dems. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #102
I agree EffieBlack Feb 2018 #103
I agree seta1950 Feb 2018 #104
I totally agree Gothmog Feb 2018 #106
I'll probably get flamed for this, but hear me out. . . citizen blues Feb 2018 #108
Agreed. I put it in the same category as the "purity" shit. Lil Missy Feb 2018 #109
Well said!!!👏👏👏 Tumbulu Feb 2018 #110
Dianne Feinstein is 84 years old. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #111
I don't think the OP was about her age. nt LAS14 Feb 2018 #134
This anti-Feinstein spam again?? R B Garr Feb 2018 #154
Let's have the election. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #157
Again with the anti-Feinstein spam. This ageism double standard is just that. R B Garr Feb 2018 #162
A voice of reason EffieBlack Feb 2018 #166
it's time for all of those old fucks to go Egnever Feb 2018 #168
Point of information geardaddy Feb 2018 #176
Yes, that's why this is so superficial. Both look the same in age, or R B Garr Feb 2018 #191
Yep, totally agree. geardaddy Feb 2018 #192
There have actually been calls fr McConnell to step down. & Paul Ryan is fresh blood. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #113
Fresh blood is always needed. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #119
TY!👍🏼✊🏼 arthritisR_US Feb 2018 #114
Thank you!!! Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #116
good points. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #118
Thank you, EffieBlack! BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #124
I AGREE!! WELL SAID! samnsara Feb 2018 #126
Thank you for saying this! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2018 #127
Wonderfully well stated. K & R LAS14 Feb 2018 #133
I can not rec... why so sensitive? jimlup Feb 2018 #136
I voted for her every time Cartoonist Feb 2018 #138
donald trump is a perfect example of what you get when voting against the "establishment". George II Feb 2018 #139
seniority on congressional committies is more important than ever AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #141
I appreciate the passion in all the posts above. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #142
Having a younger brown male compete in the primary is good for Democracy IronLionZion Feb 2018 #148
They are too damned old, Bernie and Biden too BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #152
Boxer continued to serve as long as she did because her constituents voted for her EffieBlack Feb 2018 #156
We have a lot of talented people in our Party who have to wait an eternity for their turn BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #158
"Old And In The Way, thats what Democratic leadership has become" left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #203
Some have not gotten over Pelosi kicking Mr. "Economic Anxieties" ass for house speaker. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #155
All you argue is true. xxqqqzme Feb 2018 #171
Effie saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #174
I'm right there with ya, Effie! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #186
Amen shenmue Feb 2018 #193
Thank you Effie still_one Feb 2018 #197
Age is just a number, but The Mouth Feb 2018 #199
Establishment? HenryWallace Feb 2018 #200
I see a lot of discussion on age & gender... Catch2.2 Feb 2018 #204
Yep hueymahl Feb 2018 #206
I agree Progressive dog Feb 2018 #210
When McCain was running for President I pushed back on his Im a maverick boasts EffieBlack Feb 2018 #212
Lets take a time out for a little self-awareness. HenryWallace Mar 2018 #215
There was a gerrymander in there that you didn't include. And a corrupt FBI director. (eom) StevieM Mar 2018 #218
Oh my, that's really uninspired! HenryWallace Mar 2018 #224
Well, she did put on a good convention and win all three debates. StevieM Mar 2018 #225
Whom are you talking about? Feinstein had debates??? k8conant Mar 2018 #227
We were talking about HRC 2016. (eom) StevieM Mar 2018 #228
This message was self-deleted by its author k8conant Mar 2018 #229
You should spend some time there. Progressive dog Mar 2018 #223
"There is no substitute for experience" oasis Mar 2018 #216
Bingo! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #220
Her connections and calling-in-favors owed are valuable too! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #221
I would add John Kerry and Mitt Romney to your list of men who are given a double standard StevieM Mar 2018 #219
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