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62. The only way
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 09:50 PM
Feb 2018

…..for any politician to survive is to prove themselves over and over. That's what they are there for—to constantly defend us, sponsor new initiatives, fight for issues etc. The nature of politics is that there's no such thing as just having seniority. It's not a corporate job. It's governance.

I'm one of the women who wishes Pelosi and Feinstein were more progressive—these are different times calling for real boldness on a daily basis. Warren proves herself anew every day. DC politics is not for those resting on history—it's for making history. Daily, if necessary.

It's necessary now.

THIS. LisaM Feb 2018 #1
Do you know how old Feinstein is? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #112
There have been others who have stayed in the senate when older than Feinstein. C Moon Feb 2018 #115
Strom Thurmond? True Blue American Feb 2018 #128
She was born before Social Security was a thing... Baconator Feb 2018 #179
the hell she is! shes in better shape than i am mentally... and im 10 yrs younger.... samnsara Feb 2018 #130
Check out some of the things that Betty White has done and said recently. She's 95. George II Feb 2018 #140
Betty White's an anomaly. Plus she's not in politics, which may contribute to her longevity onetexan Feb 2018 #160
Betty White can pick and choose what she wants to do. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #161
Isn't 80 too old to be President, then? Why no spammed posts about R B Garr Feb 2018 #190
Oops! nt stevenleser Feb 2018 #202
I think so. Male or female. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #209
She's a politician, not a gardener or carpenter or any R B Garr Feb 2018 #211
Dianne Feinstein "can pick and choose what she wants to do." She chooses to continue to do.... George II Feb 2018 #198
When she is in the Congress, she cannot pick and choose, not if she wants to do Sophia4 Feb 2018 #208
agree. There comes a time when it's important for the candidate to quit on their own to make room onetexan Feb 2018 #159
government is complex Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #201
You sound like you are projecting age issues onto Feinstein R B Garr Feb 2018 #188
Of course you shouldn't run. 74 with 0 experience, Hortensis Feb 2018 #189
So's the Notorious RBG.. 84, Long May She Wave!. . . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2018 #195
And who are you to decide when she should retire? DarleenMB Feb 2018 #196
Your bias is obvious. You attack male statesmen onit2day Feb 2018 #213
I'll Join You IN That Me. Feb 2018 #2
Old men, old women...perhaps its time to empower younger candidates. Magoo48 Feb 2018 #125
I kinda agree but not many 'youngers' have the political savvy thats been cultivated thru years.. samnsara Feb 2018 #129
Qualified, Experienced Me. Feb 2018 #146
The democratic party is 2 generations behind where it should be... Baconator Feb 2018 #180
Can't rec this enough. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #3
And also that they are too old....time to move along because they are not fresh faced. Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #4
yes i agree... experience is EVERYTHING is politics...if ya wanna win. samnsara Feb 2018 #131
Ain't that the truth!!!!! tonyt53 Feb 2018 #137
ELECTRIC CARS? HIGH SPEED RAIL? Plucketeer Feb 2018 #149
People not being cars or fuel, your post is ridiculous EffieBlack Feb 2018 #153
The same people hate them that hate Hillary. Yes -- those achieving women are mocked for not being pnwmom Feb 2018 #5
Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2018 #10
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #31
Exactly. And most of these women have more experience by the time they get to Congress than politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #47
BOTS pushing Sexist, Anti-Senior Women Politicians, divide conquer OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #70
2018 is NOT THE TIME TO SPLIT THE DEM PARTY, GET A FREAKIN BRAIN OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #72
Hell yes. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #6
Well said. There is a whole lot of stupid out there and it justhanginon Feb 2018 #7
Here is my dream: Mueller takes 9 more months. Democrats demolish Squinch Feb 2018 #8
Sweet revenge! democratisphere Feb 2018 #49
I would love that dottie66 Feb 2018 #51
That is a dream... Baconator Feb 2018 #184
It's a LAME "catch-all" attack from the lunatics... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #9
And they don't seem to have learned from the Trump nightmare that experience DOES make a difference EffieBlack Feb 2018 #11
This is exactly the crux of it all now. It's like a blind stubborness that is R B Garr Feb 2018 #71
Change seems to always, always be automatically "better" ehrnst Feb 2018 #36
But Catch How Often Me. Feb 2018 #147
True. This hasn't gone unnoticed. They're not as clever as they believe. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #172
She has been a great leader of our party hueymahl Feb 2018 #207
I love your OPs, Effie! mcar Feb 2018 #12
Who has done more? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2018 #13
I work in matters where my performance GaryCnf Feb 2018 #14
You've completely missed the point of my OP EffieBlack Feb 2018 #17
Amid a bunch of excellent points GaryCnf Feb 2018 #22
I didn't say that at all EffieBlack Feb 2018 #24
Argh GaryCnf Feb 2018 #27
Exactly! brer cat Feb 2018 #15
K&R Scurrilous Feb 2018 #16
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #18
Unlike Biden EffieBlack Feb 2018 #21
Said the Russian bots, fuck that I don't have to make the same mistake twice !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #28
... ehrnst Feb 2018 #38
Yeah. I heard that about Planned Parenthood too. ehrnst Feb 2018 #42
Can you be more specific? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #44
BUT GaryCnf Feb 2018 #19
Thank you. I'm glad to see this post from you, EffieBlack. NBachers Feb 2018 #20
minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #23
You're confusing policy with place. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #25
Pelosi and Clinton are more progressive than Feinstein but get the same treatment EffieBlack Feb 2018 #35
Notice I didn't address Pelosi RandomAccess Feb 2018 #43
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #59
Your comments about Clinton are somewhat contradictory. The "toxic" part was R B Garr Feb 2018 #73
Uh, no. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #78
She was polling in the high 60s when she was Secretary of State. StevieM Mar 2018 #217
Yes, as has been pointed out many, many times -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #222
Nope. HRC never had the kind of poll numbers she enjoyed while Secretary of State before that time. StevieM Mar 2018 #226
That's not what I said RandomAccess Mar 2018 #230
Well put hueymahl Feb 2018 #178
And isn't it always just a bit discouraging RandomAccess Feb 2018 #194
Yes, but that is nothing new hueymahl Feb 2018 #205
Sigh.Too true. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #214
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2018 #26
Agree agree agree agree lkinwi Feb 2018 #29
*** K&R!!!! DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE !!! *** uponit7771 Feb 2018 #30
Please say this more often, all of us need to. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #32
Look what Gillibrand and her co-horts did to Franken! True Blue American Feb 2018 #187
Didn't Pelosi sponsor the first semi-automatic ban back under Clinton? panader0 Feb 2018 #33
Nancy Pelosi is THE most effective Speaker and Minority Leader in decades EffieBlack Feb 2018 #39
Gloria Steinem nailed it when she said ehrnst Feb 2018 #34
I agree. brer cat Feb 2018 #135
Me Too, to borrow a phrase mchill Feb 2018 #37
Exactly. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #40
This (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #150
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #41
Like em or not, they are establishment Yupster Feb 2018 #45
I WISH that politicians like Feinstein & Pelosi were the "establishment." ehrnst Feb 2018 #50
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #123
I didn't say they aren't "establishment" EffieBlack Feb 2018 #54
This!!!! ehrnst Feb 2018 #120
Oh good lord Egnever Feb 2018 #163
Then Bernie Sanders is establishment. murielm99 Feb 2018 #107
But that's different. ehrnst Feb 2018 #121
Yeah, I know. murielm99 Feb 2018 #185
I saw the guy running against her and his beef was incrementalism redstateblues Feb 2018 #46
Every other sentence, he worked in "status quo." ehrnst Feb 2018 #48
And it's men doing the attacking n/t Blaukraut Feb 2018 #52
and I'm angry our Female women are usually "too establishment" if they are older than 50 years old trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #53
WRONG ! vkkv Feb 2018 #55
People who insist that Pelosi needs to be replaced seem to have no idea what EffieBlack Feb 2018 #68
Ah, you mean like a "den mother" ? vkkv Feb 2018 #98
No, not like a "den mother" - like a Speaker of the House EffieBlack Feb 2018 #99
She needs to retire... vkkv Feb 2018 #100
She needs to do whatever she and her constituents want. MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #132
That's how it works in this country, a person's constituents elect him/her, not outsiders. George II Feb 2018 #144
When lived in SF, 1988 to 1999, I voted for her. I would still vote for her as a Rep. - but not for vkkv Feb 2018 #175
Why? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #151
She's fine for the left - but the right and middle have been brainwashed to hate her. vkkv Feb 2018 #173
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Feb 2018 #143
Isn't Wendy Davis from Texas? Is she in the House of Representatives? George II Feb 2018 #145
When she ran for Governor.. She might have won in this climate. vkkv Feb 2018 #170
I do not agree GWC58 Feb 2018 #56
Well said...++++++++++++++++++ agree. I'm a Californian and will vote for Sen Feinstein. iluvtennis Feb 2018 #57
Same here wryter2000 Feb 2018 #65
Feinstein is a woman the Russians fear like Hillary MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #58
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #60
Feinstein is the one who ignored the Republicans and published those PatrickforO Feb 2018 #61
Because she is being challenged Egnever Feb 2018 #164
Not really. This Trump coup is unprecedented. Did you see R B Garr Feb 2018 #165
Funny thing - they accuse her of not doing the right things EffieBlack Feb 2018 #167
Yes, it is predictable. It looks like they can't accept that the strategy R B Garr Feb 2018 #181
The only way zentrum Feb 2018 #62
You are 100% right!! spooky3 Feb 2018 #63
K&R JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #64
Pelosi is damn good at her job mythology Feb 2018 #66
do not fall into the divisive trap being set by the russians tiredtoo Feb 2018 #67
Surely, you're not saying I'M falling into a Russian trap by standing up for our female stalwarts? EffieBlack Feb 2018 #69
No tiredtoo Feb 2018 #85
I suggest you direct your lectures to those who are attacking our female stalwarts EffieBlack Feb 2018 #88
point one out to me and i will gladly lecture them. EOM tiredtoo Feb 2018 #90
Great post. The irony is that Feinstein said herself that she thought about R B Garr Feb 2018 #74
Great point! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #75
Feinstein and Pelosi are part of the establishment... mudstump Feb 2018 #76
It wasn't Feinstein's and Pelosi's fault that too many progressives got a boo boo hurt because Obama EffieBlack Feb 2018 #81
Most Righteous Post, EffieBlack🍃 Wwcd Feb 2018 #83
:-) EffieBlack Feb 2018 #84
the left has been really fucking stupid expecting their reps to stick their necks out while certainot Feb 2018 #92
Amen!!! Misogyny Takes Many Forms Including Demanding Accomplished Women "Step Aside" dlk Feb 2018 #77
Amen! It's Long Past Time to Call BS on this Insidious Form of Misogyny dlk Feb 2018 #79
Spot on, EffieBlack Hekate Feb 2018 #80
Thank you EricMaundry Feb 2018 #82
So no more primaries Bettie Feb 2018 #86
You surely didn't get that from my OP EffieBlack Feb 2018 #89
Damn right! apcalc Feb 2018 #87
Liking them or not it's certainly not because they're women lunatica Feb 2018 #91
I never said you like or dislike them because they're women nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #95
You said they are attacked as "too establishment" because they are women meadowlander Feb 2018 #105
I did NOT say "they are attacked as 'too establishment' because they are women" EffieBlack Feb 2018 #117
Really? Because thats one of the things I got from your post as well whopis01 Feb 2018 #122
That's literally the title of your OP. meadowlander Feb 2018 #169
You need to learn the definition of "literally". Nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #177
Yeah, you actually did melman Feb 2018 #182
Whatever EffieBlack Feb 2018 #183
DiFi's Assault Weapon Ban is the only one ever passed. tirebiter Feb 2018 #93
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #94
K&R betsuni Feb 2018 #96
👏🏼👏🏽👏🏾👏🏻👏🏿 MLAA Feb 2018 #97
Kick again Hekate Feb 2018 #101
I lived in California for a number of years. I love CA Dems. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #102
I agree EffieBlack Feb 2018 #103
I agree seta1950 Feb 2018 #104
I totally agree Gothmog Feb 2018 #106
I'll probably get flamed for this, but hear me out. . . citizen blues Feb 2018 #108
Agreed. I put it in the same category as the "purity" shit. Lil Missy Feb 2018 #109
Well said!!!👏👏👏 Tumbulu Feb 2018 #110
Dianne Feinstein is 84 years old. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #111
I don't think the OP was about her age. nt LAS14 Feb 2018 #134
This anti-Feinstein spam again?? R B Garr Feb 2018 #154
Let's have the election. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #157
Again with the anti-Feinstein spam. This ageism double standard is just that. R B Garr Feb 2018 #162
A voice of reason EffieBlack Feb 2018 #166
it's time for all of those old fucks to go Egnever Feb 2018 #168
Point of information geardaddy Feb 2018 #176
Yes, that's why this is so superficial. Both look the same in age, or R B Garr Feb 2018 #191
Yep, totally agree. geardaddy Feb 2018 #192
There have actually been calls fr McConnell to step down. & Paul Ryan is fresh blood. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #113
Fresh blood is always needed. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #119
TY!👍🏼✊🏼 arthritisR_US Feb 2018 #114
Thank you!!! Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #116
good points. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #118
Thank you, EffieBlack! BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #124
I AGREE!! WELL SAID! samnsara Feb 2018 #126
Thank you for saying this! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2018 #127
Wonderfully well stated. K & R LAS14 Feb 2018 #133
I can not rec... why so sensitive? jimlup Feb 2018 #136
I voted for her every time Cartoonist Feb 2018 #138
donald trump is a perfect example of what you get when voting against the "establishment". George II Feb 2018 #139
seniority on congressional committies is more important than ever AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #141
I appreciate the passion in all the posts above. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #142
Having a younger brown male compete in the primary is good for Democracy IronLionZion Feb 2018 #148
They are too damned old, Bernie and Biden too BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #152
Boxer continued to serve as long as she did because her constituents voted for her EffieBlack Feb 2018 #156
We have a lot of talented people in our Party who have to wait an eternity for their turn BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #158
"Old And In The Way, thats what Democratic leadership has become" left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #203
Some have not gotten over Pelosi kicking Mr. "Economic Anxieties" ass for house speaker. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #155
All you argue is true. xxqqqzme Feb 2018 #171
Effie saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #174
I'm right there with ya, Effie! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2018 #186
Amen shenmue Feb 2018 #193
Thank you Effie still_one Feb 2018 #197
Age is just a number, but The Mouth Feb 2018 #199
Establishment? HenryWallace Feb 2018 #200
I see a lot of discussion on age & gender... Catch2.2 Feb 2018 #204
Yep hueymahl Feb 2018 #206
I agree Progressive dog Feb 2018 #210
When McCain was running for President I pushed back on his Im a maverick boasts EffieBlack Feb 2018 #212
Lets take a time out for a little self-awareness. HenryWallace Mar 2018 #215
There was a gerrymander in there that you didn't include. And a corrupt FBI director. (eom) StevieM Mar 2018 #218
Oh my, that's really uninspired! HenryWallace Mar 2018 #224
Well, she did put on a good convention and win all three debates. StevieM Mar 2018 #225
Whom are you talking about? Feinstein had debates??? k8conant Mar 2018 #227
We were talking about HRC 2016. (eom) StevieM Mar 2018 #228
This message was self-deleted by its author k8conant Mar 2018 #229
You should spend some time there. Progressive dog Mar 2018 #223
"There is no substitute for experience" oasis Mar 2018 #216
Bingo! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #220
Her connections and calling-in-favors owed are valuable too! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #221
I would add John Kerry and Mitt Romney to your list of men who are given a double standard StevieM Mar 2018 #219
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