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97. You are mixing apples and oranges

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:05 PM

Jul 2012

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

At the time the Constitution was written, regulated did not mean controlled or the contemporary of the term 'regulated'.

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"Well regulated" my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [View all] 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 OP

Damn constitution, Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #1

If the theater is, in fact, ON FIRE, not only are you allowed to point that out Volaris Jul 2012 #23

Text of the 2nd Amendment Tx4obama Jul 2012 #2

Might have been necessary before we had amassed enough military hardware to 2on2u Jul 2012 #7

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #17

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #26

The meaning of ... Tx4obama Jul 2012 #3

Cool. Thanks for the minutia. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #13

The 2nd Amendment doesn't mention hunting because hunting is completely unrelated. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #35

So we've come full circle 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #50

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say in this comment. nt Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #69

the "being" clause is clear enough treestar Jul 2012 #99

What gun controls do you believe would have stopped the Aurora shooter? LAGC Jul 2012 #4

The very fact 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #14

He didn't have an assault rifle permatex Jul 2012 #18

It was originally a semi, but was converted to fully auto 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #24

No one has said that at all. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #25

I AM saying it, and here's the proof. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #34

Do you have any evidence at all that this device was used by the Colorado shooter? NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #39

Given how many rounds he got off 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #45

One bullet per second krispos42 Jul 2012 #58

If this isn't full-auto, the effect is certainly the same 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #106

99th_Monkey, I can't find any reports that the shooter used any sort of mechanical aid in order to Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #71

This guy fired 30 rounds in about 3 secs with no mechanical aid Kaleva Jul 2012 #73

Pull an imaginary trigger. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #98

I feel you are mis-stating my point 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #103

I'll have to check with a relative of mine who is FBI permatex Jul 2012 #46

Akins accelerator-Check the date on your info rl6214 Jul 2012 #59

Source? clffrdjk Jul 2012 #27

source 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #44

Old story-can't get em. rl6214 Jul 2012 #60

So you SAY, but where the fuck is YOUR link? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #83

Nope, not simply ..... oldhippie Jul 2012 #29

"AR-15 CONVERSION (to auto) KIT" easily available on-line 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #37

That's a bump fire device. It doesn't actually convert the gun to an automatic. Kaleva Jul 2012 #68

Ahhh? Hello? are you not aware of such on-line offers? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #42

That is complete bullshit. NT Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #33

Modern semi autos are not easy to convert permatex Jul 2012 #36

Please explain this "conversion kit" offer on-line then. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #38

Again accuracy in advertising clffrdjk Jul 2012 #48

It's a bump fire device and not an actual conversion kit. Kaleva Jul 2012 #70

But the effect is pretty much the same 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #87

Yes. I agree. Kaleva Jul 2012 #90

WTF? Most ignorant post on DU today. rl6214 Jul 2012 #57

In case you hadn't noticed 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #61

That Slide Fire Stock is NOT a full auto conversion, regardless of what the advertisement is rl6214 Jul 2012 #65

Splitting hairs 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #67

If AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle", why are vendors promoting it as such? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #32

I don't know why they're advertising an AR-15 as an assault rifle permatex Jul 2012 #40

What do you make of these "AR-15 Conversion Kits" (from semi to automatic)? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #43

Have you ever heard of a sear? oldhippie Jul 2012 #75

I'd like to give you full credit 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #82

Accuracy in advertising who needs it. clffrdjk Jul 2012 #41

Given how many rounds he got off 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #49

Prove your own claims that is all I asked clffrdjk Jul 2012 #51

I provided links 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #54

Not full auto, just working the trigger extremely fast rl6214 Jul 2012 #62

I don't see any "proof" of your claims 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #66

One still has to pull the trigger once for every round fired and then release the trigger... Kaleva Jul 2012 #72

Illegal rl6214 Jul 2012 #63

Poor fellow, Akins would be. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #64

i think tracking ammunition sales would have prompted an alert samsingh Jul 2012 #77

Licenses, renewals treestar Jul 2012 #101

unforunatly Confusious Jul 2012 #5

Whatever the Framers of the Constitution meant 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #19

No, Confusious Jul 2012 #21

the fact that they said veganlush Jul 2012 #6

Seems to me we already have a National Guard, don't we? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #15

Taxes-that's how they get away with kywildcat Jul 2012 #8

Just saying "rational controls" don't make pipoman Jul 2012 #9

I don't think the Founding Fathers had the "slightest clue" 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #16

The US always has pipoman Jul 2012 #22

"that we have more deaths by guns 10x over any other nation on earth?" EX500rider Jul 2012 #47

Actually we are 4th WORSE, for the record. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #88

Not even... EX500rider Jul 2012 #91

It means people who don't have regularity problems MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #10

and we know that those who are not regular................. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #12

That's why we still have "armories", even though they aren't used that way anymore. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #11

Agreed. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #20

Agree! As with many things technology has changed and our laws have RKP5637 Jul 2012 #28

Do you two believe that the First Amendment applies to your Internet postings? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #30

The First Amendment could use some modification. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #31

Which would be, what? Be specific... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #53

An area we need to get under control in this country is "Hate Speech for Profit." There are RKP5637 Jul 2012 #74

You're damn right it's a slippery slope. What do you think would happen if the RW got power? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #78

We do actually agree more than we disagree! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #81

I prefer Voltaire's take on that.. EX500rider Jul 2012 #92

Yep, the end result would be pretty bad if it were tampered with ... n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #93

Supreme Court in Heller says restrictions are AOK. Need some more. Hoyt Jul 2012 #52

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #84

Not this tired old BS again rl6214 Jul 2012 #55

-100 nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #85

Congress sets what "well regulated" is krispos42 Jul 2012 #56

Hey! I've got a heartbeat. Where's my gun?? ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #86

you are absolutely right. 'well regulated miltia' suggests controls, behavour, and expectations samsingh Jul 2012 #76

Hmm, why don't you try this variant of that on for size: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #79

free speech should be important to everyone samsingh Jul 2012 #80

Who defines "offensive material?" LAGC Jul 2012 #100

that is your ox? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #89

Ah, an appeal to emotion from a cartoon lover. Well, here's another cartoon: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #94

that is a joke when said inappropriately. is that appeal inappropriate? tiny elvis Jul 2012 #95

You're free to imply that people that don't see things your way on guns don't care about children. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #96

You are mixing apples and oranges guardian Jul 2012 #97

We are left to guess what the Framers intended 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #105

And the Gun Nuts heads explode liberal N proud Jul 2012 #102

The amendment speaks of regulating the militia Shrek Jul 2012 #104

Excuse me? 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #107

I have no way to know Shrek Jul 2012 #109

True. And I'm totally in support of that 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #110

+1 DesMoinesDem Jul 2012 #108

Locking SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #111