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Hortensis

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108. Take a look at the southern and southwestern states.

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 05:05 PM

Mar 2018

Not coincidentally, either, they tended to be settled more, or at least first on the coasts, by people bringing culture from southern European regions, which developed from Rome's, which believed that a person's rights were conferred by social status, not inborn. (Presumably that's why Maximus in Gladiator accepted going from confidant of an emperor to slave, instead of saying nuts to this and cutting out like any self respecting American would.)

Conversely, Germanic cultures from cooler, more northern regions tended to believe in inborn individual rights, at least of men, one of the earliest antecedents to the Enlightenment.

Very simplistic, but that's about as far as my education extends. Scientists have linked these big cultural patterns in a variety of ways to climate, though.

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SC Justice Kennedy to retire this summer, is the rumor. [View all] Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 OP

FFS!!!!!! The US will be over with any hint of a democracy or civil rights. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #1

NOTHING that happens in November changes this either. Impeachment, etc. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #2

If I were in my youth, I would be leaving this place. I think the future for the US is RKP5637 Mar 2018 #4

I regularly have that discussion with my 20 year old daughter exboyfil Mar 2018 #14

Yep, it's very smart to consider all of the options in other countries. It's hard to tell where the RKP5637 Mar 2018 #25

Other countries have their resurgent right wings also. Hortensis Mar 2018 #77

Living in Florida you have a point. But is it better educational systems? Oppaloopa Mar 2018 #98

:) No. Chicken and egg. Better educational systems Hortensis Mar 2018 #102

Interesting - I recommend choosing a nation with a cooler climate like Canada. RKP5637 Mar 2018 #100

Take a look at the southern and southwestern states. Hortensis Mar 2018 #108

It's a very interesting observation! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #109

In colder climates the people have to work together to survive. When it is warmer individualism LiberalArkie Mar 2018 #155

I was just reading that there are a lot of opportunities for RNs in Mexico. Queen of the Iceni Mar 2018 #118

Spanish is one of the easiest languages for an English speaker to learn... pangaia Mar 2018 #132

What this could mean makes me feel sick. Hortensis Mar 2018 #3

I agree with this genxlib Mar 2018 #20

I think that last might just be. There are true believers Hortensis Mar 2018 #65

The religious right is showing now that it is more right than religious. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #94

I can't disagree with you on that for sure genxlib Mar 2018 #96

Abortion is a health issue. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #35

I put it "out there" for discussion. You are presenting Hortensis Mar 2018 #72

Another pregnancy carried to term would have been a death sentence for me. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #93

As I said. Your position is entirely stated in 5 words. Hortensis Mar 2018 #97

I repeat. Abortion prohibitions are death sentences for a certain number of women. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #99

They're already attacking birth control. Mariana Mar 2018 #146

It's by and large not about babies and the unborn. Ligyron Mar 2018 #101

I would venture to say it could be about many things even to same person nolabels Mar 2018 #152

Well yes. Because anything was better than President Hillary Clinton. Wwcd Mar 2018 #5

Yep, but her emails! And insert various JPR Wharrgarbl here stevenleser Mar 2018 #126

Yep. Matt_R Mar 2018 #159

It means the absolute end of the great American experiment. sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #6

Good grief. Some virtual worms to go eat, maybe? Hortensis Mar 2018 #79

I have never missed a national election in the last 50 years. I do not sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #124

As opposed to the ugly sentiments that it's all hopeless? mythology Mar 2018 #142

I can express as many sentiments that the USA as a democracy is sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #145

It's hard not to feel like this would be the nail in the coffin. CrispyQ Mar 2018 #7

Kennedy hired four clerks for the Fall term. Dawson Leery Mar 2018 #8

Hope so. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #11

When Barack Obama was the candidate, Democrats came out and voted for him. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #59

Righteous rant! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #85

Thanks. We cannot win if we are divided. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #91

It will in all likelyhood be too late next time which is the entire point...these folks can fuck off Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #110

I hope those who refused to be 'united' and vote for the only one who could stop Trump...take the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #107

Thanks for that! lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #12

He always was more conservative than liberal exboyfil Mar 2018 #22

I think its the opposite. mr_liberal Mar 2018 #30

Going forward whoever controls exboyfil Mar 2018 #36

I doubt the democrats could hold out more than a year. mr_liberal Mar 2018 #47

I don't think anyone should count on Trump to Hortensis Mar 2018 #80

Isn't he the "swing" vote who's leaned more right anyway? brush Mar 2018 #23

No, he's liberal on social issues. He's the 5th vote that upholds Roe v Wade, for gay rights... nm mr_liberal Mar 2018 #32

He's not called the "swing" vote for nothing. He's been swinging more right than left lately. brush Mar 2018 #106

with him gone...Womens rights, gay rights and a host of other important issues are Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111

I don't want him gone because of who will replace him but I wish he swing left more... brush Mar 2018 #115

Oh for sure... I agree. But right now, he is all we have to stop the GOP train. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #143

Most of the legal blogs believe that Justice Kennedy is not retiring in July Gothmog Mar 2018 #81

+1 Dawson Leery Mar 2018 #84

Do the leftists purists get it now? nycbos Mar 2018 #9

I hope center-right purists will be able to start seeing beyond resentment and start lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #16

what are you talking about? getagrip_already Mar 2018 #46

I am a very progressive person. nycbos Mar 2018 #76

Two types of capital-P Progressives, neither purists. Hortensis Mar 2018 #86

There is no such thing as a center right purist...the pure movement is on the left. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #112

Oh there most certainly is melman Mar 2018 #134

No there isn't...and the pure movement has cost us big policy going back to 2000 ...94 Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #140

you're right.... tomp Mar 2018 #138

I am progressive. I would love to run 'pure' in all states. But I challenge you to examine all Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #141

more rationalization for centrism. tomp Mar 2018 #144

Trump is an extinction level event...existential threat to the USA as we know it. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #10

The next Democratic president should expand the Supreme Court dalton99a Mar 2018 #13

FDR tried that in 1937. It didn't end well. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #26

That is never going to happen...not ever. We will be stuck with a right wing court for years. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #113

The right is throwing this out to energize the base for the midterm MattP Mar 2018 #15

This rumor has been out there for months and months. beaglelover Mar 2018 #17

Let's hope that is all it is. Let's also make sure we DONT make the SAME mistakes that Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #18

Agree. GOTV this November and November 2020. beaglelover Mar 2018 #19

Thanks, yes. GOTV and stop with the fucking NOSE holding when a democratic politician Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #21

GOTV mean little if votes are not counted honestly. tomp Mar 2018 #139

the rumor will always be there until it actually happens pstokely Mar 2018 #56

Yep, America will turn Corgigal Mar 2018 #24

STOP! Ginsburg, Kennedy hire law clerks for future Supreme Court terms. elleng Mar 2018 #27

Heller is likely gone. Dawson Leery Mar 2018 #29

The only way it would work though is if it actually happens. nm mr_liberal Mar 2018 #34

Exactly! Chill its just Heller throwing a Hail Mary. Pepsidog Mar 2018 #83

Agreed. Heller is "Most Endangered Senator" (R) 2018; he's desperate stuffmatters Mar 2018 #130

While your assessment may be correct, the fact is that none of them are particularly young, and still_one Mar 2018 #38

+1 demmiblue Mar 2018 #127

Repug senator tries to fire up the base by saying louis-t Mar 2018 #28

That's right Eiot, and why I will NEVER forgive those self-identified progressives who refused to still_one Mar 2018 #31

Hell, I will go one step further, I want an apology from the ones who DID vote for her Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #33

Let's not let this rumor create opportunities for people to revisit the 2016 election... Chakaconcarne Mar 2018 #37

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. MoonRiver Mar 2018 #40

Shh, dont discuss how certain folks put us here in the first place, shhhh Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #43

Sorry...it's simply not productive.. Chakaconcarne Mar 2018 #69

No, far too many don't. nt stevenleser Mar 2018 #125

In my case I identify those who have an agenda here and I refuse to respond to them. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #70

Yes, I know what you mean. MoonRiver Mar 2018 #71

Wasn't he also supposed to retire last summer? NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #39

Since this is the last year of Trump's presidency IronLionZion Mar 2018 #41

Can they find someone worse than gorsuch? mountain grammy Mar 2018 #42

The Republicans stoled the election and 2 Supreme Court justices njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #44

And to all those purists that said they wouldnt vote for Hillary Thekaspervote Mar 2018 #45

and the ones who finally did vote for her after telling anyone who would listen how corrupt she was Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #48

If true, that's the end of the country as we know it. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #49

I'd bet everything I have that you are wrong. SomethingNew Mar 2018 #103

LOL. That's funny. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #122

How so? SomethingNew Mar 2018 #123

Perhaps... the "rumor" is being floated out there to bolster rethugs' resolve. Texin Mar 2018 #50

I wont bring it up again, but I mainly wanted to make the larger point that we didnt need Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #53

We need a new system. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #51

Um, no. n/t MichMary Mar 2018 #64

Why not? smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #66

As a "for instance," MichMary Mar 2018 #73

Ok, I guess that makes sense. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #89

That's why elections matter MichMary Mar 2018 #90

Tried to tell folks what was at stake... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #52

The Democrats should immediately state ... aggiesal Mar 2018 #54

That won't work. mr_liberal Mar 2018 #74

Don't rain on my parade. n/t aggiesal Mar 2018 #82

There is some hope.... mr_liberal Mar 2018 #87

filibuster would be gone either way InformedElitist Mar 2018 #149

Yes, it would have worked mr_liberal Mar 2018 #153

NO!!!!! lark Mar 2018 #55

We should pull a McConnell and let the next president pick the SCOTUS justice. Initech Mar 2018 #57

So anyone who says ONE WORD about purity, who could interfere with taking over the House or Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #58

Call it what it is. cab67 Mar 2018 #67

Better still would be if the SCOTUS hadn't installed Bush. LisaM Mar 2018 #60

You don't think Mitch had anything to do with ornotna Mar 2018 #61

I am not refighting the primary, you seem to be doing that though Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #63

never mind ornotna Mar 2018 #151

JESUS.... rtracey Mar 2018 #62

We are FUCKED if Kennedy retires while Trump is president. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #68

I do not think he is going to retire this year. Who knows about next. Exotica Mar 2018 #137

Yep. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #150

OK, breathe. ananda Mar 2018 #75

YES Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #78

So many people on DU are still smoking what the russian trolls were/are selling. n/t woundedkarma Mar 2018 #88

Oh brother... calimary Mar 2018 #92

I will vote for Beto for U.S. Senate this fall, and the entire Democratic ticket as usual DFW Mar 2018 #95

But... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #104

Yeah...of course they elected someone that gave millions of taxpayer money essentially to Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #114

We tried to warn them. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105

I think the next President should be allowed to appoint a SC Justice world wide wally Mar 2018 #116

What a drag. nt bondwooley Mar 2018 #117

Unfortunate/disturbing. trump will get at least this one, and one or two other nominations. Hoyt Mar 2018 #119

Exactly, how and why all of a sudden did Hillary not get close to her polling? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #121

Agree. For some reason I was not aware we disagree on guns, but I am easily Hoyt Mar 2018 #131

Want to be Republicans replace him in six weeks flat. They don't care that they applegrove Mar 2018 #120

lets preparet to hear this song from trumps xtian soliders.. DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #128

2018 becomes even more critical, especially in the Senate where the majority party in the Senate can still_one Mar 2018 #129

Garbage thread melman Mar 2018 #133

Why would any thinking person give a grain of credence to anything Heller says? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #135

Sam Seder on MSNBC DeminPennswoods Mar 2018 #136

The would not be good timing. If there's anything that gets the GOP base out, it's Nitram Mar 2018 #147

I wish we could convince him to stay until January AllyCat Mar 2018 #148

A rumor by a GOP Senator is merely wishful thinking DesertRat Mar 2018 #154

You are correct DesertRat 40RatRod Mar 2018 #157

Stolen Supreme Court Seat #2 bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #156

God forbid diane in sf Mar 2018 #158