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In reply to the discussion: Kobach expert witness: Carlos Murguia sounds foreign. ACLU attorney: Thats a federal judge [View all]Gothmog
(145,130 posts)43. Kobach Exposed at Trial
Super delegates are a distraction and have zero relevance to this thread. The ACLU is doing a great job of showing that the GOP's claims of voter fraud are bogus in this case. https://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression/kobach-exposed-trial
The federal trial over a law that disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in Kansas is expected to end tomorrow. For the past two weeks, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has attempted to defend not just his signature legislation, which requires people to show documentary proof of citizenship such as a birth certificate or passport when registering to vote, but to support his claim of rampant voter fraud.
He failed spectacularly on both scores. Here are the courtroom highlights:
Kobachs iceberg of fraud:
Kobach has been looking for proof of illegal voters for years, and hes had unparalleled resources to do so. In 2015, he successfully pushed Gov. Sam Brownback for the power to criminally prosecute cases of voter fraud, making him the only secretary of state in the country with such sweeping authority.
So what exactly did he come up with?
At trial, Kobach was only able to identify 18 noncitizens out of 1.8 million voters who have successfully registered to vote over a nearly 20-year period. Only five of them actually cast a ballot. Kobach was not able to show that these 18 instances constituted intentional cases of fraud, rather than mistakes stemming from clerical errors.
Regardless, Kobach claims that these numbers represent just the tip of the iceberg. In his crusade to find the rest of the non-existent mass, he seems willing to accept the more than 35,000 people who were actually blocked from registering to vote under his law as collateral damage.
He failed spectacularly on both scores. Here are the courtroom highlights:
Kobachs iceberg of fraud:
Kobach has been looking for proof of illegal voters for years, and hes had unparalleled resources to do so. In 2015, he successfully pushed Gov. Sam Brownback for the power to criminally prosecute cases of voter fraud, making him the only secretary of state in the country with such sweeping authority.
So what exactly did he come up with?
At trial, Kobach was only able to identify 18 noncitizens out of 1.8 million voters who have successfully registered to vote over a nearly 20-year period. Only five of them actually cast a ballot. Kobach was not able to show that these 18 instances constituted intentional cases of fraud, rather than mistakes stemming from clerical errors.
Regardless, Kobach claims that these numbers represent just the tip of the iceberg. In his crusade to find the rest of the non-existent mass, he seems willing to accept the more than 35,000 people who were actually blocked from registering to vote under his law as collateral damage.
In the Texas, North Carolina and Penn. voter id trials, the state could find no evidence of voter fraud. This trial is getting better press and Kobach is the patron saint of voter fraud claims. The ACLU is doing a great job of establishing that there is no voter fraud and that the GOP voter suppression efforts are not needed.
This is an important case and I do not want silly and bogus claims to derailed the importance of this case.
Tomorrow, the court may get to determine if Kobach is in contempt
As trial wraps, opposing sides will make closing arguments and the judge will rule on a motion to hold Kobach in contempt of court for repeatedly refusing to comply with the courts preliminary order blocking the law, and with related orders on notifying the public about voter registration requirements. A federal magistrate has already sanctioned Kobach for making patently misleading representations to the court."
Finally this trial has discredited both Hans van Spanskoy and the idiot that trump claims show that there were three million illegal votes. Dale Ho of the ACLU has asked for finding that Hans be declared to be non-expert in this area
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Kobach expert witness: Carlos Murguia sounds foreign. ACLU attorney: Thats a federal judge [View all]
Gothmog
Mar 2018
OP
It is not a good sign when the judge tells you to read the Rules of Fed. Civil Procedure
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#4
Here is the interesting part of this, because of fucking NOSE HOLDERS and whiners
Eliot Rosewater
Mar 2018
#12
Kobach is going a great job of proving that it is the GOP who is committing fraud
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#31
In California, the number of delegates pledged to a candidate is voted on in the
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#32
So, you're saying that the Democratic party nominee selection "a lie and a sham?"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#62
My thread points out that votes can be watered down in more ways than one and that
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#46
Not only are you are wrong as to the math, you ignore how offensive your comparison is
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#47
The ACLU is great. But if the Democratic Party wants the super delegates to have
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#48
Why are you making clearly false claims that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread?
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#49
All good points. The items you raised all paint a singular picture of a person
stevenleser
Mar 2018
#56
It's interesting that there were indeed superdelegates who have supported candidates
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#59
I live in the real world where super delegates dilute my vote in presidential primaries.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#80
Legal Team Led by David Boies and LULAC Files Lawsuits Challenging Winner-Take-All Approach to Selec
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#86
Changing the winner take all aspect of the electoral college will not make it fairer
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#88
At least Boies is living in the real world and is attempting to solve a real problem
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#90
Boies' theories with which I am very familiar, do nothing to solve the injustice
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#94
I am very happy that you are working on the voter suppression that you are working on.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#110
Your hurt feelings about super delegates being mean to your candidate are not relevant
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#123
Thanks for confirming this is about Bernie, which was obvious. Your doublespeak is
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#112
Guess what! You weren't there at the "California primary". California is a huge state,
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#114
I was there. I was at two polling places. I saw the provisional ballots and the many
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#115
You should take your own advice. Your posts are full of aggressive and unfounded insults
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#124
And it's interesting how their voice is dismissed entirely among some in the discussion. (nt)
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#58
If the Democratic part is so corrupt, as you describe, "putting thumbs on the scale"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#54
Your hijacking of this thread to change it to one where you bash the Democratic party is noted. (nt)
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#60
Top ACLU Voting Rights Lawyer Rips Into Trump Experts Evidence Of Kansas Voter Fraud
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#17
Ho should have said "A federal judge whose family has been US citizens for X generations".
Blue_true
Mar 2018
#20
Pseudoscience on Trial: The Spectacular Fall of President Trumps Voter Fraud Thesis
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#119
Kobach's Behavior During Recent Trial Prompts Ethics Complaint From Overland Park Lawyer
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#129
This flew completely under my radar last week, but Kobach has picked a running mate,
stranger81
Mar 2018
#130