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In reply to the discussion: Kobach expert witness: Carlos Murguia sounds foreign. ACLU attorney: Thats a federal judge [View all]Gothmog
(145,046 posts)I am sorry but your understanding of math rivals your lack of understanding of the convention process. There is no dilution because under party rules these super delegates are in addition to the number of delegates that a state would otherwise be entitled to. I know the formulas and rules for delegate allocation and super delegates help a state by increasing the number of delegates and the number of votes cast at the national convention. Again I live in the real world and I know many of the super delegates who attended the 2016 convention. These super delegates did not replace other delegates but were additions to the delegation.
I know that your feelings are really hurt that these mean super delegates were not nice to your favored candidate but there is no dilution. States are granted extra delegates if that state wins either a senate seat or congressional seat. We want our states to win congressional and senate seats in the real world. In Texas we hope to pick up three or four congressional seats and have a chance of electing Beto as Senator over Carnival Cruz. If this happens, these victories will increase the size of the Texas delegation and everyone including the national party will be very very happy (have you met Carnival Cruz?). Due to the recent redistricting decisions in Penn., the Democrats may pick up five additional congressional seats which would increase the size of the Penn. delegation. That is not dilution but a reward for taking seats away from the GOP.
More importantly your comparison of real GOP voter suppression efforts to your hurt feelings about super delegates would offend real voters who are being denied the right to vote by GOP voter suppression tactics. This thread is about the trial where GOP voter suppression tactics are put on trial. Again, voter participation in Texas went from 39% in 2010 to 33% in 2014 and Wendy Davis got almost 300,000 fewer votes compared to the 2010 Democratic governor candidate. I had to deal with voters who could not get an id and were unable to vote. It was not fun.
If the ACLU wins this trial, then Kobach may be eliminated as one of the GOP's main witnesses for claims of fictional voter fraud. Here is some more from the trial http://www.cjonline.com/news/20180319/aclu-voter-fraud-story-isnt-real-kobach-respect-kansas-legislature
As seven days of testimony concluded in the federal trial over the Kansas voter registration law, the ACLUs Dale Ho alluded to Kobachs frequently spoken claim that the few known examples of voter fraud are just the tip of the iceberg. Ho worked to dismantle Kobachs estimate of 18,000 illegal voters in the state by pointing to flaws with the estimates underlying survey of just 37 people.
The iceberg, on close inspection, your honor, is more of an ice cube, Ho said in closing arguments before U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson.
The ACLU has done a great job in this case and the net result of this trial is that the GOP may not have Kobach available to make bogus claims of voter fraud to be used to justify GOP voter suppression efforts in the future.
Link to tweet
I live in the real world and I am fighting real GOP efforts of voter suppression. Harris County turned blue in 2016 due in part to the voter id trial win and as a result one of the people I trained as a poll watcher in 2012 is now in charge of voter registration. This will be one of the first cycles when the local party does not have to sue the county on failure to register voters. During one cycle, the county refused to pay for sufficient voter registration forms in the needed languages (Harris County has to provide for six different languages on its voting machines and voter registration forms). That is not going to happen this cycle.
Progress is being made in the real world and progress will be continued to be made by actually fighting real GOP voter suppression efforts and not complaining about hurt feelings. A voter who was denied the right to vote will be offended by your comparison of your hurt feelings about super delegates being mean to your chosen candidate to their denial of the right to vote.
Again, this thread is about Kobach and real voter suppression and not hurt feelings about super delegates