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Sophia4

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88. Changing the winner take all aspect of the electoral college will not make it fairer
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:28 PM
Mar 2018

for Californians. We 39 million people. And a number of states are less than one million.

Fact is, they get far more electors per voter than we do.

The problem is not how California's votes are divided up.

The problem is that because we only have two senators for our 39 million people, and states like Wyoming, Montana and Vermont to name only three of them, have fewer than one million people and two senators, the overall number of electors from our state versus less populous states is a big, big problem, a big, big source of inequity and voter repression.

So their idea of changing winner take all will not help voters in populous states. And note that the less populous states including, for example, Alaska tend to be very conservative. Think of the Dakotas that have low populations and are conservative.

So Bowie' approach fails when it comes to making Californians' votes for president count anywhere near as much as those of votes in many other states.

My son (another lawyer) just sent me this tweet Gothmog Mar 2018 #1
This guy is using the ever successful "Betsy DeVos" ploy dameatball Mar 2018 #3
Yep Gothmog Mar 2018 #13
K&R TeamPooka Mar 2018 #2
It is not a good sign when the judge tells you to read the Rules of Fed. Civil Procedure Gothmog Mar 2018 #4
The judge just gave kobach a quiz on the rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #6
Laughing at your opposing counsel Gothmog Mar 2018 #5
Kick dalton99a Mar 2018 #7
It is hard to stop following this trainwreck Gothmog Mar 2018 #11
I have a foreign-sounding name they should try on Jesse Richman DFW Mar 2018 #8
You know you are enjoying this too much! brer cat Mar 2018 #9
I have two children who are lawyers who are also having fun with this case Gothmog Mar 2018 #10
Here is the interesting part of this, because of fucking NOSE HOLDERS and whiners Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #12
+++++++that is correct. So many already lunasun Mar 2018 #64
This is more to the point ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #14
To me this is one of the key moments in this trial Gothmog Mar 2018 #16
Damned right! ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #18
Kobach is going a great job of proving that it is the GOP who is committing fraud Gothmog Mar 2018 #31
This is important! Sophia4 Mar 2018 #27
This attack on super delegates makes no sense Gothmog Mar 2018 #28
In California, the number of delegates pledged to a candidate is voted on in the Sophia4 Mar 2018 #32
You are wrong yet again Gothmog Mar 2018 #36
Here you go: Sophia4 Mar 2018 #37
This has nothing to do with real voter suppression in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #40
I agree on all your points. You are correct. LiberalFighter Mar 2018 #105
Sophia, your allegation that Republican voter suppression Hortensis Mar 2018 #61
So, you're saying that the Democratic party nominee selection "a lie and a sham?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #62
Since you mention California, how about this for diluting votes: George II Mar 2018 #68
It is set up that way because we are a union of states, and each state gets Sophia4 Mar 2018 #69
What do super delegates have to do with this legal proceeding? George II Mar 2018 #33
They have to do with the fact that the way that votes were being diluted Sophia4 Mar 2018 #34
I deal with real voter suppression in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #38
Super delegates are a way for those who support a status quo or a particular Sophia4 Mar 2018 #39
The real voters in the real world will disagree with your hurt feelings Gothmog Mar 2018 #41
I was a delegate to my state convention. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #44
Really? Gothmog Mar 2018 #45
My thread points out that votes can be watered down in more ways than one and that Sophia4 Mar 2018 #46
Not only are you are wrong as to the math, you ignore how offensive your comparison is Gothmog Mar 2018 #47
The ACLU is great. But if the Democratic Party wants the super delegates to have Sophia4 Mar 2018 #48
Why are you making clearly false claims that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread? Gothmog Mar 2018 #49
All good points. The items you raised all paint a singular picture of a person stevenleser Mar 2018 #56
It's interesting that there were indeed superdelegates who have supported candidates ehrnst Mar 2018 #59
Super delegates dilute the votes that reveal the will of the ordinary voters. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #77
Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #78
Meanwhile back in the real world, the ACLU is claiming victory Gothmog Mar 2018 #70
Good for the ACLU. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #76
But some of us are working in the real world to deal with this issue Gothmog Mar 2018 #79
I live in the real world where super delegates dilute my vote in presidential primaries. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #80
Your claims are false in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #81
Super delegates are real vote dilution. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #82
And others will continue to be amused by your hurt feelings and lack of facts Gothmog Mar 2018 #84
Super delegates and the electoral college are forms of voter dilution. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #85
Legal Team Led by David Boies and LULAC Files Lawsuits Challenging Winner-Take-All Approach to Selec Gothmog Mar 2018 #86
Changing the winner take all aspect of the electoral college will not make it fairer Sophia4 Mar 2018 #88
At least Boies is living in the real world and is attempting to solve a real problem Gothmog Mar 2018 #90
Boies' theories with which I am very familiar, do nothing to solve the injustice Sophia4 Mar 2018 #94
I am very happy that you are working on the voter suppression that you are working on. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #110
I worked on the McGovern campaign also even though I was too young to vote Gothmog Mar 2018 #118
I don't have hurt feelings. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #122
Your hurt feelings about super delegates being mean to your candidate are not relevant Gothmog Mar 2018 #123
Bernie lost California by millions. You keep trying to R B Garr Mar 2018 #102
This does not have to do with Bernie. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #103
Your hurt feelings about super delegates being mean to your candidate are sad Gothmog Mar 2018 #107
You contradict yourself and it's too late to say this isn't about Bernie R B Garr Mar 2018 #108
California voted for Hillary. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #109
Thanks for confirming this is about Bernie, which was obvious. Your doublespeak is R B Garr Mar 2018 #112
Guess what! I was there at the California primary. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #113
Guess what! You weren't there at the "California primary". California is a huge state, R B Garr Mar 2018 #114
I was there. I was at two polling places. I saw the provisional ballots and the many Sophia4 Mar 2018 #115
At least you now admit that you are abstractly criticizing.... R B Garr Mar 2018 #116
I don't blame super delegates for Hillary's winning anything. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #117
You should take your own advice. Your posts are full of aggressive and unfounded insults R B Garr Mar 2018 #124
Yep and such posts are based on claims that fall apart very easily Gothmog Mar 2018 #126
Yes, very easily. They are purely a strategy of getting smears out, R B Garr Mar 2018 #128
The black Caucas would disagree with you Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #50
And it's interesting how their voice is dismissed entirely among some in the discussion. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #58
Yeah, unfortunately the Democratic party isn't completely devoid of racism, KitSileya Mar 2018 #67
If the Democratic part is so corrupt, as you describe, "putting thumbs on the scale" ehrnst Mar 2018 #54
All good questions. nt stevenleser Mar 2018 #55
Yes, thank you. NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #66
Kobach Exposed at Trial Gothmog Mar 2018 #43
Why would Bernie participate as a superdelegate if it was so wrong? ehrnst Mar 2018 #52
So if you think superdelegates make Democratic primaries a "sham" ehrnst Mar 2018 #53
Your hijacking of this thread to change it to one where you bash the Democratic party is noted. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #60
Meanwhile back in the real world, I am so proud of the ACLU and this victory Gothmog Mar 2018 #72
Fantastic! Real progress on actual voter supression! ehrnst Mar 2018 #74
This is one of those very important issues mcar Mar 2018 #15
Top ACLU Voting Rights Lawyer Rips Into Trump Experts Evidence Of Kansas Voter Fraud Gothmog Mar 2018 #17
My soap opera is only hold until Monday Gothmog Mar 2018 #19
Ho should have said "A federal judge whose family has been US citizens for X generations". Blue_true Mar 2018 #20
The judge in that case knows Gothmog Mar 2018 #22
A hard lesson for Kobach and his cronies gratuitous Mar 2018 #21
But judge, it says right here on page 27! Dread Pirate Roberts Mar 2018 #23
How not to try a case Gothmog Mar 2018 #42
The judge is not happy with Kobach Gothmog Mar 2018 #75
Doesn't sound like Mr. Kobach knows how to make a factual record Dread Pirate Roberts Mar 2018 #104
Kobach needed this Gothmog Mar 2018 #106
My soap opera starts again on Monday Gothmog Mar 2018 #24
This is not a good sign for Kobach Gothmog Mar 2018 #25
Were Kobach and his witnesses all homeschooled by Betsy DeVos? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #26
You may be right Gothmog Mar 2018 #30
One of the observers at this trial asks a very important question Gothmog Mar 2018 #35
Kris Kobach Is a Loser Gothmog Mar 2018 #29
A preview of what dumpf would be like SonofDonald Mar 2018 #51
I went to law school with Carlos Murguia--SMART guy! lastlib Mar 2018 #57
The contempt phase starts today Gothmog Mar 2018 #63
K&R This how they do it and it must be stopped lunasun Mar 2018 #65
Yeah for the ACLU-there is no voter fraud Gothmog Mar 2018 #71
Federal judge scolds Kobach for violating her trust at contempt hearing Gothmog Mar 2018 #73
wish I could shake your hand Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #83
The judge was not amused Gothmog Mar 2018 #89
roast him! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #91
This will make you smile Gothmog Mar 2018 #92
Trump's claims of voter fraud are on trial in Kansas and Kris Kobach is losing Gothmog Mar 2018 #95
thanks! needs more coverage Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #96
"Kobach" sounds like a foreign name. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #87
Kris Kobach Just Got Humiliated in Federal Court Gothmog Mar 2018 #93
was about to post the motherjones Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #97
The Mother Jones article is great Gothmog Mar 2018 #98
Fish v. Kobach ? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #99
That is the original style of this case Gothmog Mar 2018 #100
it has the principals Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #101
It is the same case according to what I read Gothmog Mar 2018 #121
Pseudoscience on Trial: The Spectacular Fall of President Trumps Voter Fraud Thesis Gothmog Mar 2018 #119
needs own OP! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #120
Done Gothmog Mar 2018 #127
This is better than "Law and Order" NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #111
Yep Gothmog Mar 2018 #131
The Kris Kobach Voter Fraud Trial Was About Much More Than Kris Kobach Gothmog Mar 2018 #125
Kobach's Behavior During Recent Trial Prompts Ethics Complaint From Overland Park Lawyer Gothmog Mar 2018 #129
This flew completely under my radar last week, but Kobach has picked a running mate, stranger81 Mar 2018 #130
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