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In reply to the discussion: Kobach expert witness: Carlos Murguia sounds foreign. ACLU attorney: Thats a federal judge [View all]Gothmog
(145,079 posts)93. Kris Kobach Just Got Humiliated in Federal Court
The Kansas secretary of state wanted to prove his claims of widespread voter fraud. Instead, he was repeatedly embarrassed.
This trial has really made me happy. The GOP lies about voter fraud were destroyed. The expert witnesses were torn to pieces and Kobach may have killed his chances to be governor. I love this article https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/kris-kobach-just-got-humiliated-in-federal-court/
Judge Julie Robinson was losing patience. Before the 2016 election, she had ordered Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to restore the right to vote to thousands of Kansans whod been disenfranchised by a state law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. On Tuesday, Kobach was again in her courtroom, this time at the tail end of an eight-day trial challenging the proof-of-citizenship law, in which the ACLU was also asking Robinson to hold Kobach in contempt of court for declining to tell those voters that they were once again eligible to vote. I made it clear theyre fully registered voters, she told Kobach, pounding on her desk for emphasis.
Kobachs battle against the ACLU was supposed to be a showcase for his claims of widespread voter fraud. When he ran for Kansas secretary of state in 2010, Kobach said the illegal registration of alien voters has become pervasive. That led Kansas to pass the law requiring people to provide documentation including a birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers to register to vote. The law prevented 35,000 Kansans from registering between 2013 and 2016.
Instead, the trial devolved into a comedy of errors, with Kobachs witnesses frequently contradicting his claims or getting humiliated by pointed questions they couldnt answer.
Kobach, who led President Donald Trumps election integrity commission and is now running for governor, hired Hans von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation to support his claim that illegal votes by non-citizens had swung US elections. But under questioning from ACLU lawyer Dale Ho, von Spakovsky admitted he couldnt name a single election where votes by non-citizens had decided the outcome.
Kobachs battle against the ACLU was supposed to be a showcase for his claims of widespread voter fraud. When he ran for Kansas secretary of state in 2010, Kobach said the illegal registration of alien voters has become pervasive. That led Kansas to pass the law requiring people to provide documentation including a birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers to register to vote. The law prevented 35,000 Kansans from registering between 2013 and 2016.
Instead, the trial devolved into a comedy of errors, with Kobachs witnesses frequently contradicting his claims or getting humiliated by pointed questions they couldnt answer.
Kobach, who led President Donald Trumps election integrity commission and is now running for governor, hired Hans von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation to support his claim that illegal votes by non-citizens had swung US elections. But under questioning from ACLU lawyer Dale Ho, von Spakovsky admitted he couldnt name a single election where votes by non-citizens had decided the outcome.
Von Spakovsky is a truly evil person who really believes that it is voter fraud when a non-white vote. I followed other voting rights trial. In the Texas, the North Carolina, and the Penn. voter id trials no evidence of voter fraud was provided but the attorneys in those cases did not make fools of themselves. Here the amazing failure of Kobach to prove anything will hurt the GOP's attempt to use lies about voter fraud to justify voter suppression
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Kobach expert witness: Carlos Murguia sounds foreign. ACLU attorney: Thats a federal judge [View all]
Gothmog
Mar 2018
OP
It is not a good sign when the judge tells you to read the Rules of Fed. Civil Procedure
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#4
Here is the interesting part of this, because of fucking NOSE HOLDERS and whiners
Eliot Rosewater
Mar 2018
#12
Kobach is going a great job of proving that it is the GOP who is committing fraud
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#31
In California, the number of delegates pledged to a candidate is voted on in the
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#32
So, you're saying that the Democratic party nominee selection "a lie and a sham?"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#62
My thread points out that votes can be watered down in more ways than one and that
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#46
Not only are you are wrong as to the math, you ignore how offensive your comparison is
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#47
The ACLU is great. But if the Democratic Party wants the super delegates to have
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#48
Why are you making clearly false claims that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread?
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#49
All good points. The items you raised all paint a singular picture of a person
stevenleser
Mar 2018
#56
It's interesting that there were indeed superdelegates who have supported candidates
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#59
I live in the real world where super delegates dilute my vote in presidential primaries.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#80
Legal Team Led by David Boies and LULAC Files Lawsuits Challenging Winner-Take-All Approach to Selec
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#86
Changing the winner take all aspect of the electoral college will not make it fairer
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#88
At least Boies is living in the real world and is attempting to solve a real problem
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#90
Boies' theories with which I am very familiar, do nothing to solve the injustice
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#94
I am very happy that you are working on the voter suppression that you are working on.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#110
Your hurt feelings about super delegates being mean to your candidate are not relevant
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#123
Thanks for confirming this is about Bernie, which was obvious. Your doublespeak is
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#112
Guess what! You weren't there at the "California primary". California is a huge state,
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#114
I was there. I was at two polling places. I saw the provisional ballots and the many
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#115
You should take your own advice. Your posts are full of aggressive and unfounded insults
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#124
And it's interesting how their voice is dismissed entirely among some in the discussion. (nt)
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#58
If the Democratic part is so corrupt, as you describe, "putting thumbs on the scale"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#54
Your hijacking of this thread to change it to one where you bash the Democratic party is noted. (nt)
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#60
Top ACLU Voting Rights Lawyer Rips Into Trump Experts Evidence Of Kansas Voter Fraud
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#17
Ho should have said "A federal judge whose family has been US citizens for X generations".
Blue_true
Mar 2018
#20
Pseudoscience on Trial: The Spectacular Fall of President Trumps Voter Fraud Thesis
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#119
Kobach's Behavior During Recent Trial Prompts Ethics Complaint From Overland Park Lawyer
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#129
This flew completely under my radar last week, but Kobach has picked a running mate,
stranger81
Mar 2018
#130