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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. No, illegal is illegal
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 06:30 PM
Mar 2018

If the purpose is illegal, then as a contract claim per se, the court doesn't matter.

The other hazard for Daniels in going into the whether the NDA was an agreement to remain silent about the agreement and payment itself, is that it does get a step closer to a plausible claim that by agreeing to get paid not to speak about the agreement, she was engaged in blackmail.

I had touched on the difference between the federal statute defining "blackmail" and the colloquial meaning of the word in a prior post.

In essence, most people think about "blackmail" as getting paid to be quiet about something "bad" about someone - i.e. broadly some sort of embarrassing information. The actual federal statute is:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/873

18 U.S. Code § 873 - Blackmail

Whoever, under a threat of informing, or as a consideration for not informing, against any violation of any law of the United States, demands or receives any money or other valuable thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.


Now, I haven't kept abreast of every one of Avenatti's numerous television appearances. One aspect of the circumstances in general which is unclear to me is how the ball got rolling on the NDA in the first place.

Daniels attorney at that time - Davidson - is in the business of extracting money from people for locking down sex tapes etc.. That's what he does for a living. Also, Daniels has never alleged, in the original complaint or in this one, that the NDA itself was the product of any sort of coercion or threat. In the interview, she says:

When a gossip website reported a few months later that she'd had an affair with Mr. Trump, Stormy Daniels publically denied it. Five years later, Donald Trump won the Republican nomination for president.

Stormy Daniels: Suddenly people are reaching out to me again, offering me money. Large amounts of money. Was I tempted? Yes-- I struggle with it. And then I get the call. "I think I have the best deal for you."

Anderson Cooper: From your lawyer?

Stormy Daniels: Yeah.

The deal was an offer not to tell her story. It came from Mr. Trump's attorney Michael Cohen. In return for signing this non-disclosure agreement, Cohen would pay her $130,000 dollars through a Delaware-based limited liability corporation he had established in mid-October 2016 called essential consultants. Daniels says the agreement was appealing because it meant she would receive some money but also not have to worry about the effect the revelation of the affair would have on her child who was now old enough to watch the news. She signed the agreement eleven days before the election.


So, what sorts of deals was Davidson pursuing on her behalf, such that he would ring her up and say "I got one."

Now, sure, at the time, Daniels may not have understood the deal itself to constitute an illegal campaign contribution, but among her contentions in the Amended Complaint, she is now claiming the contract to be void as an illegal agreement not to disclose a violation of federal law - i.e. that the contract is void because she was committing blackmail under the definition above.

It's sort of like fighting a parking ticket by arguing, "My car couldn't have been parked in that space, because I was using it at the time as the getaway driver for a bank robbery." I mean, yeah, that will certainly be effective against the parking ticket, but probably not an argument I would advance on behalf of my client.

Perhaps you may want to rephrase #1 hlthe2b Mar 2018 #1
I wonder if the new argument was available in state court? gratuitous Mar 2018 #2
No, illegal is illegal jberryhill Mar 2018 #3
Under this argument, every NDA is problematic because it is a form of blackmail EffieBlack Mar 2018 #10
I write NDA's all of the time jberryhill Mar 2018 #18
There was no federal crime UNTIL the money was paid EffieBlack Mar 2018 #21
Then you should go argue with Avenatti jberryhill Mar 2018 #23
Perhaps YOU should go argue with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #25
I'm qualified to second guess or criticize whom I please jberryhill Mar 2018 #26
of course you are. And others are free to think you're wrong EffieBlack Mar 2018 #30
So let me ask you this jberryhill Mar 2018 #32
Oh please - your hypos are getting more ridiculous EffieBlack Mar 2018 #34
Umhmmm.... Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #4
Trump is getting roasted in the court of public opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #5
Not really my point Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #7
He's won some humongous judgments, mid nine figure ones. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #9
That may well be. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #16
I'm impressed with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #11
He seems like a "killer" DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #12
"when he first filed the suit, the campaign finance issue was floating around in the ether" jberryhill Mar 2018 #15
I agree as to the PR aspects. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #17
Take a look at paragraph 54 jberryhill Mar 2018 #24
Makes my brain hurt. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #27
Thanks, having fun learning from you 2, elleng Mar 2018 #31
Interesting analysis - but I think the campaign finance argument is stronger than you do EffieBlack Mar 2018 #6
I said it was the strongest of the bunch jberryhill Mar 2018 #13
Your hypos just don't work here EffieBlack Mar 2018 #20
That still conflates the object of the contract with the means of performance jberryhill Mar 2018 #22
Does Daniels have to have been in on the scheme to evade campaign laws? unblock Mar 2018 #8
Okay, fine jberryhill Mar 2018 #14
That I don't know. If one party designed it to evade laws, unblock Mar 2018 #19
No jberryhill Mar 2018 #29
Not the same EffieBlack Mar 2018 #37
Except one thing Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #39
Whether or not she knew the payment was an illegal campaign contribution is irrelevant EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41
Thanks for taking this up. elleng Mar 2018 #28
I think there is more to the amended complaint than the summary in the top post Jarqui Mar 2018 #33
And his media strategy is pushing them further into a legal box EffieBlack Mar 2018 #35
I agree. "He's goading" - my words have been "he's baiting" Jarqui Mar 2018 #36
From the bleacher seats it seems Michael Avenatti has David Dennison right where he wants him. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #38
I think this may be the first time this has ever been claimed by anyone Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #40
Ewww EffieBlack Mar 2018 #42
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