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Ms. Toad

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4. Umhmmm....

Mon Mar 26, 2018, 06:34 PM

Mar 2018

I see you share my opinion about Mr. Aveneti's legal prowess.

What's interesting is that Avenatti finally included the strongest argument for invalidity - that it was void on policy grounds as an illegal campaign contribution. He had not included that in the original complaint, so it's good to see that he's gotten some help.

He seems to be pretty good at the PR game, but his initial complaint has proven to be very fertile ground for hypos for my students preparing for the July bar exam. As of the first complaint, the half of the room that I assigned as Trump's attorney was having a field day.

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A quick read of the Amended Stormy Daniels Complaint [View all] jberryhill Mar 2018 OP

Perhaps you may want to rephrase #1 hlthe2b Mar 2018 #1

I wonder if the new argument was available in state court? gratuitous Mar 2018 #2

No, illegal is illegal jberryhill Mar 2018 #3

Under this argument, every NDA is problematic because it is a form of blackmail EffieBlack Mar 2018 #10

I write NDA's all of the time jberryhill Mar 2018 #18

There was no federal crime UNTIL the money was paid EffieBlack Mar 2018 #21

Then you should go argue with Avenatti jberryhill Mar 2018 #23

Perhaps YOU should go argue with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #25

I'm qualified to second guess or criticize whom I please jberryhill Mar 2018 #26

of course you are. And others are free to think you're wrong EffieBlack Mar 2018 #30

So let me ask you this jberryhill Mar 2018 #32

Oh please - your hypos are getting more ridiculous EffieBlack Mar 2018 #34

Umhmmm.... Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #4

Trump is getting roasted in the court of public opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #5

Not really my point Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #7

He's won some humongous judgments, mid nine figure ones. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #9

That may well be. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #16

I'm impressed with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #11

He seems like a "killer" DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #12

"when he first filed the suit, the campaign finance issue was floating around in the ether" jberryhill Mar 2018 #15

I agree as to the PR aspects. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #17

Take a look at paragraph 54 jberryhill Mar 2018 #24

Makes my brain hurt. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #27

Thanks, having fun learning from you 2, elleng Mar 2018 #31

Interesting analysis - but I think the campaign finance argument is stronger than you do EffieBlack Mar 2018 #6

I said it was the strongest of the bunch jberryhill Mar 2018 #13

Your hypos just don't work here EffieBlack Mar 2018 #20

That still conflates the object of the contract with the means of performance jberryhill Mar 2018 #22

Does Daniels have to have been in on the scheme to evade campaign laws? unblock Mar 2018 #8

Okay, fine jberryhill Mar 2018 #14

That I don't know. If one party designed it to evade laws, unblock Mar 2018 #19

No jberryhill Mar 2018 #29

Not the same EffieBlack Mar 2018 #37

Except one thing Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #39

Whether or not she knew the payment was an illegal campaign contribution is irrelevant EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41

Thanks for taking this up. elleng Mar 2018 #28

I think there is more to the amended complaint than the summary in the top post Jarqui Mar 2018 #33

And his media strategy is pushing them further into a legal box EffieBlack Mar 2018 #35

I agree. "He's goading" - my words have been "he's baiting" Jarqui Mar 2018 #36

From the bleacher seats it seems Michael Avenatti has David Dennison right where he wants him. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #38

I think this may be the first time this has ever been claimed by anyone Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #40

Ewww EffieBlack Mar 2018 #42