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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
41. Whether or not she knew the payment was an illegal campaign contribution is irrelevant
Tue Mar 27, 2018, 11:24 AM
Mar 2018

And, although your hypo is more on point than the one I was responding to, it’s still distinguishable from this case.

Specifically, the illegal contribution in your hypo was not the purchase of the truck by the supporter who bought the truck outright from the dealer and then took ownership. The illegal contribution was the the donation of his property to the candidate. The contract he used to obtain that property is irrelevant. This would apply to any property he owned and gave to the candidate - cash, jewelry, real estate, furniture, etc. Once he bought it, it’s his with which to do what he chooses and his actions have no impact on how he obtained it. The fact that, once he owned the property, he illegally donated it to a candidate does not void the contract by which he originally acquired that property.

On the other hand, in this instance, the transaction itself is what triggers the campaign finance violation. Daniels’ silence is the campaign benefit being purchased under the contract and the campaign benefit is very specific to Daniels and only Daniels. It is buying HER silence and without her involvement, the illegal purpose could not be fulfilled. This is not an instance of Cohen buying a product from Daniels and then later giving it to Trump who subsequently used it for an illegal campaign purpose. The deal itself is the illegal campaign purpose. And since courts are loathe to enforce contracts to perform illegal acts, it is very reasonable to argue the unenforceabilty of a contract entered into for the purpose of influencing a presidential campaign if the consideration is deemed an illegal campaign contribution.

Perhaps you may want to rephrase #1 hlthe2b Mar 2018 #1
I wonder if the new argument was available in state court? gratuitous Mar 2018 #2
No, illegal is illegal jberryhill Mar 2018 #3
Under this argument, every NDA is problematic because it is a form of blackmail EffieBlack Mar 2018 #10
I write NDA's all of the time jberryhill Mar 2018 #18
There was no federal crime UNTIL the money was paid EffieBlack Mar 2018 #21
Then you should go argue with Avenatti jberryhill Mar 2018 #23
Perhaps YOU should go argue with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #25
I'm qualified to second guess or criticize whom I please jberryhill Mar 2018 #26
of course you are. And others are free to think you're wrong EffieBlack Mar 2018 #30
So let me ask you this jberryhill Mar 2018 #32
Oh please - your hypos are getting more ridiculous EffieBlack Mar 2018 #34
Umhmmm.... Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #4
Trump is getting roasted in the court of public opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #5
Not really my point Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #7
He's won some humongous judgments, mid nine figure ones. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #9
That may well be. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #16
I'm impressed with him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #11
He seems like a "killer" DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #12
"when he first filed the suit, the campaign finance issue was floating around in the ether" jberryhill Mar 2018 #15
I agree as to the PR aspects. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #17
Take a look at paragraph 54 jberryhill Mar 2018 #24
Makes my brain hurt. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #27
Thanks, having fun learning from you 2, elleng Mar 2018 #31
Interesting analysis - but I think the campaign finance argument is stronger than you do EffieBlack Mar 2018 #6
I said it was the strongest of the bunch jberryhill Mar 2018 #13
Your hypos just don't work here EffieBlack Mar 2018 #20
That still conflates the object of the contract with the means of performance jberryhill Mar 2018 #22
Does Daniels have to have been in on the scheme to evade campaign laws? unblock Mar 2018 #8
Okay, fine jberryhill Mar 2018 #14
That I don't know. If one party designed it to evade laws, unblock Mar 2018 #19
No jberryhill Mar 2018 #29
Not the same EffieBlack Mar 2018 #37
Except one thing Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #39
Whether or not she knew the payment was an illegal campaign contribution is irrelevant EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41
Thanks for taking this up. elleng Mar 2018 #28
I think there is more to the amended complaint than the summary in the top post Jarqui Mar 2018 #33
And his media strategy is pushing them further into a legal box EffieBlack Mar 2018 #35
I agree. "He's goading" - my words have been "he's baiting" Jarqui Mar 2018 #36
From the bleacher seats it seems Michael Avenatti has David Dennison right where he wants him. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 #38
I think this may be the first time this has ever been claimed by anyone Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #40
Ewww EffieBlack Mar 2018 #42
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