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Person of color here who loves Joe Biden. IluvPitties Mar 2018 #1
Person of European descent here thinking he's often out of touch. DemocracyMouse Mar 2018 #97
Just another person who thinks Joe's time has come and gone. There are better candidates we have to still_one Mar 2018 #127
Senior citizen here Taraman Mar 2018 #112
Yep. lillypaddle Mar 2018 #125
Agreed, time for the 70 somethings to step aside... Magoo48 Mar 2018 #173
I once spent an afternoon with Freeman Dyson... NNadir Mar 2018 #232
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Mar 2018 #2
I prefer Biden (the first VP to serve under the first Black president of the US) to the others. FreepFryer Mar 2018 #3
If you think this is a "racist frame" you must not have read my entire OP EffieBlack Mar 2018 #11
I didn't say it was - I'm saying my preference for Biden is not based in racial/gender bias... FreepFryer Mar 2018 #16
"you completely missed the point." NCTraveler Mar 2018 #40
Agreed - and many will get it, and reject it even while understanding white male privilege. (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #73
Yes, they will. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2018 #79
Or perhaps people don't take it seriously given the last frontrunner mythology Mar 2018 #248
Are you serious? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #249
So when you wrote this in your OP it had NOTHING to with race ?? see vkkv Mar 2018 #93
Um - talking about race is not a "racist frame" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #100
It is when you are telling that Joe Biden is the front runner b/c he is white. You called it vkkv Mar 2018 #104
Because white entitlement/privilege is not the same as racism. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #133
They are not the same, but white entlement / privilege is racist. see text vkkv Mar 2018 #188
I brought up white male privilege - why are you focusing only on the white part EffieBlack Mar 2018 #192
Most of what you say is correct, however, your OP did not mention ONE SINGLE quality of vkkv Mar 2018 #196
Effie, the reality is that Hillary was under a masked attack. Blue_true Mar 2018 #239
This post only makes sense if SomethingNew Mar 2018 #4
We really are look closely at the sexist side of things elehhhhna Mar 2018 #207
Or if you are drunk. Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #246
You should drink more wine EffieBlack Mar 2018 #253
I think people are just trying to figure out how to beat Trump leftstreet Mar 2018 #5
No I like Joe and I got to say if Sen. Sanders runs, and I hope he doesn't, we need a strong Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #27
Ha. progressoid Mar 2018 #148
I actually don't have hard feeling for Sanders...but I notice you rush to his defense even when its Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #183
You know this is the internet right? progressoid Mar 2018 #201
My concern is the next presidential election. I believe him to be divisive and that could cause Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #230
Good reply. Blue_true Mar 2018 #243
Bernie is giving all indications that he is running. Blue_true Mar 2018 #241
That's how I see it. Biden is respected by left & right. Disillusioned R's will vote for Biden. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #31
I hear you - but that's always the excuse used to keep white men in power EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41
Obama wasn't running against an incumbent leftstreet Mar 2018 #47
So only a white guy can beat an incumbent? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #54
No. Hillary definitely would have beaten McCain leftstreet Mar 2018 #56
It's not a matter of being the 'only' choice... Baconator Mar 2018 #263
this incumbent barbtries Mar 2018 #68
He was the worst candidate to ever run in my lifetime. Yet he still won. progressoid Mar 2018 #156
true, but not legitimately. barbtries Mar 2018 #198
Effie, the problem is, 1/3 of the country doesn't agree with us--yet. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #75
Geeezzuzz - This is a racist statement. Let the most qualified win! You really don't see your vkkv Mar 2018 #110
Representation is still so new that the system continues to reward people who have "paid their WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #6
It smacks more of name recognition. We did nominate HRC last time and Barack Obama before her. FSogol Mar 2018 #7
Agreed. Dulcinea Mar 2018 #26
He has had presidential fever for years...if he is healthy, and there is support, he will run. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #29
i Get Your Point Me. Mar 2018 #8
I am ok with the club...as long as a Democrat wins. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #22
I Want DEms To Win Me. Mar 2018 #28
That will never happen...Dems start at different places...they just do. It can Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #39
THere Is AWay Me. Mar 2018 #81
It may change over time as people become more accustomed to female candidates and Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #103
Before I Make Any Voting Decisions Me. Mar 2018 #118
That would be wonderful and it could happen. I like all the Democratic Candidates Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #140
I agree, you make good points. dottie66 Mar 2018 #132
I am not happy about the situation but we must must win in 20. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #139
What is a level playing field? Blue_true Mar 2018 #244
I'm an Eric Holder fan, he has it all. n/t monmouth4 Mar 2018 #9
He is so smart...great guy. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #106
Is Holder even interested? FakeNoose Mar 2018 #116
Disagree Mojo2 Mar 2018 #10
I agree. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #20
I appreciate your response, but with all due respect EffieBlack Mar 2018 #23
Wow. You are accusing everyone who disagrees with you of not reading/understanding the OP. Not ok. FreepFryer Mar 2018 #30
No, I'm saying if you respond to my lengthy and thoughtful post within 10 minutes EffieBlack Mar 2018 #37
Lots of us think about similar things regularly or might have had this conversation before Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #60
yup (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #74
Omg lol Fullduplexxx Mar 2018 #32
A little thought exercise. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #215
Wow! Beautifully stated! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #222
Old white guy here Cartoonist Mar 2018 #12
I say none that you mentioned are electable in 20. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #18
Donald Trump wasn't electable in 2014; Barack Obama wasn't electable in 2006 EffieBlack Mar 2018 #33
I don't think Donald Trump was elected...election stolen...but he was an outsider...two of your Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #42
It is now becoming evident that Trump directly or indirectly had hidden help. Blue_true Mar 2018 #245
Middle-aged white guy here TommyCelt Mar 2018 #143
No way on Oprah Jake Stern Mar 2018 #219
Oprah only over Trump Cartoonist Mar 2018 #250
It smacks of predictability BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #13
I love Joe Biden and don't agree...I am a woman. If Joe Biden is shown to strong in the primaries, Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #14
I agree totally - operative word: "primaries" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #46
And I certainly hope DownriverDem Mar 2018 #155
You have now made multiple comments. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #51
I don't think Biden has the same "presumptive lock" on the nomination as Clinton had. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #15
He's the antithesis of dt, and perhaps babylonsister Mar 2018 #17
Biden's the anti-Trump, yes. AND, he has that "non-PC" off-the-cuff style that Trump voters love. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #43
"Authenticity" in my opinion is a BS attribute EffieBlack Mar 2018 #58
TRUTH, right here. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #102
I would suggest that over his career, it HAS been used against him karynnj Mar 2018 #203
You make my point EffieBlack Mar 2018 #212
Hillary's accomplishments and her experiences were not seen as a problem karynnj Mar 2018 #217
If you believe that her experience was not an impediment for some, you just weren't paying attention EffieBlack Mar 2018 #223
Her experience or things she did or was to thought to have done? karynnj Mar 2018 #235
One thing that skews the discussion is just how damned good Pres Obama was The Mouth Mar 2018 #242
. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #101
So are the other Democratic possibilities EffieBlack Mar 2018 #48
I cant imagine a situation where I would vote for Biden in a primary. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #19
I'm thinking he could have won where Hillary didn't treestar Mar 2018 #21
Yeah! Who would imagine that a former incumbent VP would be considered a front-runner for President? brooklynite Mar 2018 #24
inorite? (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #35
Thank you! COLGATE4 Mar 2018 #36
LOL Scurrilous Mar 2018 #131
I wonder if anyone will call Biden shrill Codeine Mar 2018 #25
Or make a big deal of him taking a bathroom break pandr32 Mar 2018 #77
He DOES need to smile more EffieBlack Mar 2018 #147
His bronzer make-up is too heavy pandr32 Mar 2018 #202
I love Uncle Joe. BUT... JaneQPublic Mar 2018 #34
All your factors would be disastrous against any other Republican. Marcuse Mar 2018 #137
Perhaps white... but not male FBaggins Mar 2018 #38
And she and her supporters were attacked endlessly for her frontrunner status EffieBlack Mar 2018 #50
Yep... Likely for the same reason that you're attacking his reported frontrunner status FBaggins Mar 2018 #55
You're making some pretty obnoxious assumptions about me EffieBlack Mar 2018 #69
I'd say at this point that you're the only one really being obnoxious in this thread Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #72
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Mar 2018 #78
My reply was carefully tailored to get this very response from you. FBaggins Mar 2018 #80
Whatever EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86
That was because her supporters acted like she was OWED the nomination and... MicaelS Mar 2018 #226
I take your point PoorMonger Mar 2018 #44
Joe Biden has a charisma PatSeg Mar 2018 #45
How much do you know about the others' "charisma" if they're not yet in the ring? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #52
It's not like they're unknowns, especially to people at DU that talk about them daily Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #63
Many presidential candidates PatSeg Mar 2018 #126
Exactly Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #129
Yes PatSeg Mar 2018 #160
Which is why I want a mixed field Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #162
That's a good point PatSeg Mar 2018 #185
Bill Clinton was seen as little more than a joke before well into the '92 race EffieBlack Mar 2018 #134
Like I basically said PatSeg Mar 2018 #166
So we just shouldn't run a minority or woman because some people are bigots? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #170
Of course not PatSeg Mar 2018 #189
I agree with that EffieBlack Mar 2018 #191
Knowing about a politician and knowing whether they have charisma on the presidential campaign trail EffieBlack Mar 2018 #159
I personally don't care as much about the charisma PatSeg Mar 2018 #122
Winning is all that matters. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2018 #49
I agree - but we don't yet know who the best shot will be EffieBlack Mar 2018 #61
He was Vice President for eight years Dream Girl Mar 2018 #53
This shit wears me out. EricMaundry Mar 2018 #57
You're not the only one. Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #65
It wears me out, too EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76
Right. Joe Biden is a racist. EricMaundry Mar 2018 #258
We'll probably have 101 candidates running against Trump IronLionZion Mar 2018 #59
All of this angst is based on a poll that was predictable from the get go Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #67
Actually, I worry that it is too similar to how Clinton was treated. Chemisse Mar 2018 #62
i love Joe Biden barbtries Mar 2018 #64
I don't think we can really call this male (or white) entitlement jimlup Mar 2018 #66
I don't think it's frontrunner status by itself is evidence of the entitlement EffieBlack Mar 2018 #82
Perhaps but there is no need to take it out on Biden jimlup Mar 2018 #213
Oh, Good Lord. I'm not taking out anything on Biden. Nor have I suggested that he be "disqualified." EffieBlack Mar 2018 #220
Some will never even attempt to understand this. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #70
I like Biden, but I ain't voting for him in a primary. nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #71
I thought Oprah was the front runner oberliner Mar 2018 #83
Am I awful Blue_playwright Mar 2018 #84
Get off of it. If I said that I hadn't even considered race than I'm a racist, right? If I said vkkv Mar 2018 #85
Oh, please - spare me the "You mentioned race. Stop calling me a RACIST!" response EffieBlack Mar 2018 #92
No response to the Harris Gillibrand poor judgement on Franken? Is that leadership points for them? vkkv Mar 2018 #95
If I only blame women for taking down an old white man, I'm a sexist right? LexVegas Mar 2018 #109
Exactly, that too.. Harris Gillibrand screwed Al Franken. That was not a good demostration of vkkv Mar 2018 #114
I haven't seen much of this talk. GeorgeGist Mar 2018 #87
Well thought out, EffieBlack Hekate Mar 2018 #88
Effie I agree with you on everything except your last paragraph. njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #89
I actually edited the OP earlier to take out that reference to "white" Democrats EffieBlack Mar 2018 #128
Thank you your explanation is appreciated njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #204
I would like to see Sharrod Brown and Barbara Lee on the ticket. Kurt V. Mar 2018 #90
Yes, he should be a real gentleman like Al Gore was in Y2K. lpbk2713 Mar 2018 #91
I'm really nervous Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #94
Is it sexist to attack him because he is male? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #96
And the only reason some are listing him as a frontrunner is because of a name recognition poll Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #99
It's reverse sexism and reverse racism.... LexVegas Mar 2018 #105
don't you mean old, white male privilege? WhiteTara Mar 2018 #98
No. elleng Mar 2018 #107
I like Joe Biden and would support his if he runs Gothmog Mar 2018 #108
What it smacks of is a complete unwillingness PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #111
Its amazing all the politicians you call out askyagerz Mar 2018 #113
Do y'all realize how much the Joe Biden "frontrunner" talk smacks of white male entitlement? bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #115
To create unity! Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #117
LOL! FreepFryer Mar 2018 #145
Discussion about white male entitlement on a Democratic discussion board sews discord? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #149
My God, must EVERYTHING be about privilege and how Hillary was treated? Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #119
You discuss what you want, I'll discuss what I want EffieBlack Mar 2018 #138
Yes. LWolf Mar 2018 #120
Oh dang... disillusioned73 Mar 2018 #179
Just a quick read of her Wikipedia page. MicaelS Mar 2018 #231
Listening to LWolf Mar 2018 #264
I don't think it is us get the red out Mar 2018 #121
I didn't say it was created here. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #153
Most people love Joe lillypaddle Mar 2018 #123
He was VP! He would have likely been the candidate had Hillary not run. themaguffin Mar 2018 #124
Theres a huge difference between frontrunner and presumptive nominee before the race even starts Kentonio Mar 2018 #130
This white male has been touting Kamala for quite awhile. The Mouth Mar 2018 #135
Sen Harris at the top of the ticket and Adm. William McRaven for VP would be a HUGE Exotica Mar 2018 #197
Oh hell yeah The Mouth Mar 2018 #236
When you see Joe Biden to you see a white man or do you see a man? ollie10 Mar 2018 #136
OK, I get it. You don't see race. But why do you see him as a man first and not just a person? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #142
Judging Biden in terms of his race or his sex is about as ridiculous as judging him by the color of ollie10 Mar 2018 #158
Please explain to me how I "judged Biden in terms of his race or sex?" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #161
Your topic was whether Biden is the beneficiary of white entitlement.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #169
Pointing out that he's the beneficiary of white male entitlement is not a judgment on him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Mar 2018 #205
So you think he believes he is entitled because he is a white person? ollie10 Mar 2018 #206
You automatically assume he's the current frontrunner John Fante Mar 2018 #200
No - I'm pointing out that certain traits that are treated as excellent qualifications for him EffieBlack Mar 2018 #208
So in the past three presidential elections, we nominated a black twice and a woman once ollie10 Mar 2018 #218
Again you've missed the point altogether EffieBlack Mar 2018 #221
You are entitled to your opinion too ollie10 Mar 2018 #225
"play the race card " What does that mean? nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #144
Me Neither DownriverDem Mar 2018 #151
Do you realize DownriverDem Mar 2018 #141
I like him, too. This isn't a criticism of him at all. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #154
Midterms, people! Heartstrings Mar 2018 #146
Kick ck4829 Mar 2018 #150
Joe would make a great president as would several others who have passed my bar of decent, honest pe Sunlei Mar 2018 #152
My OP doesn't express my "view" of either of them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #163
They're different people, yet both honest and true Ds. Love to see them as Pres & VP :) Sunlei Mar 2018 #165
No to Deval... he wasnt even a good governor. Agschmid Mar 2018 #157
Unremarkable sums him up best Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #164
I love Joe, but I agree.... vi5 Mar 2018 #167
I like your approach to this. We definitely KPN Mar 2018 #168
I think most of the people who frequent this website are attuned to "privilege" ooky Mar 2018 #171
Judging by the reactions on this thread, they're not attuned to it at all EffieBlack Mar 2018 #190
Recognizing that privilege is a thing is a core value on the left ooky Mar 2018 #216
If you read the whole thread, you will see a breathtaking degree of ignorance about what EffieBlack Mar 2018 #224
Thumbs DOWN Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #172
You clearly seem to have a beef against VP Biden for whatever reason. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #174
Joe' she Treatment of Anita Hill Precludes Any Nomination dlk Mar 2018 #175
Let's come together, welcome anyone who wants to run, see where each stands on issues democrank Mar 2018 #176
Baloney RhodeIslandOne Mar 2018 #177
Does this have anything to do with Joe saying that HE would have beaten Trump in 2016? progressoid Mar 2018 #178
Not necessarily a Biden guy here, but he was VP. That puts you near the front by default. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2018 #180
Agree - but that's not the reason that's usually given EffieBlack Mar 2018 #187
This isn't Yahtzee. Let the voters decide. jalan48 Mar 2018 #181
Being called a front runner this early is usually a kiss of death grantcart Mar 2018 #184
He's a former Vice President to a very successful administration that is viewed very positively... Drunken Irishman Mar 2018 #186
You are right about a lot of things rock Mar 2018 #193
Well Biden is not at all on the top of my list, and you're right, the things that were a negative JCanete Mar 2018 #194
Was it white female entitlement when for over 3 years, Hillary Clinton was called the frontrunner? karynnj Mar 2018 #195
You have missed my point altogether EffieBlack Mar 2018 #199
No one missed your - it doesn't jibe with reality, that's all. John Fante Mar 2018 #209
You missed my points and I did not miss your point, I DISAGREE WITH IT. Not the same thing karynnj Mar 2018 #210
I hadn't heard that Biden was considered the front runner... HopeAgain Mar 2018 #211
Between Anita Hill and threatening to punch the president, I dont think so... bettyellen Mar 2018 #214
Who said he was the front runner? SharonClark Mar 2018 #227
He's certainly got the best resume. tazkcmo Mar 2018 #228
While I didn't give it any thought previously, I can see where Effie is comming from. Afromania Mar 2018 #229
Thank you for this awesome post EffieBlack Mar 2018 #233
K&R betsuni Mar 2018 #234
The only old white guy I would vote for is Bernie Sanders milestogo Mar 2018 #237
Why them and not Biden? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #238
I don't like Biden's gaffes. milestogo Mar 2018 #262
huh, and here i thought it was because... druidity33 Mar 2018 #240
He was a senator and V.P. phylny Mar 2018 #247
And Hillary was a Senator, Secretary of State and First Lady EffieBlack Mar 2018 #251
The OP is about frontrunner talk and Hillary was the ultimate frontrunner for the nomination BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #256
Im making perfect sense. You just seem to be having trouble understanding it. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #257
what we need is DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #252
I'm not ready to choose a candidate yet Progressive dog Mar 2018 #254
Aside from Obama, if we needed to fill the job tomorrow, Jarqui Mar 2018 #255
Experience and personality.. Baconator Mar 2018 #259
Depends on who's talking really, but ucrdem Mar 2018 #260
And Biden would be older than Reagan... Garrett78 Mar 2018 #261
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