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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
53. There are lots of cases to be mad about- this just isnt one
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:36 AM
Mar 2018

Sorry, it’s not.

He was armed. He was not compliant with officers acting on a legal reasons to a top about him.

Even after being tased he wasn’t compliant.

When you have an armed person using physical force to resist you who makes attempts to grab a gun, that’s a clear indication their intent is to use the gun.

Now, you can say there is no absolute proof he was reaching for the gun. But let’s look at the totality of the evidence to see what is more likely.

Someone called 911 to report he was threatened by Sterling with a gun.
Alton Sterling did indeed have a gun, the callers information was correct in that regard.
Officers respond and Sterling refuses to comply with lawful orders as they investigate the call.
Sterling continues to resist even after being tazed multiple times.
All those are known facts.

So let’s look at what can be the one disputed aspect- was he reaching for the gun?

Because if a person is fighting cops and reaches for a gun that’s cause to use deadly force, as it must be assumed the intent is to use it.

So, lets look at the information available to see what is more likely, was he reaching for the gun or not?

First, did his behavior up to that moment indicate a person who was likely to or not likely to attempt to use that gun.

Among that behavior- he illegally obtained a firearm. He chose to illegally carry the gun he illagelky possessed that evening. He earlier had threatened a person with that gun. He was using violence to resist lawful police action against him.

So did his behavior that evening indicate a person more likely to attempt to use a gun to resist arrest or less likely?

Second, look at his overall pattern of behavior in life. He was a career criminal with a long history of violence. His history of convictions- not arrests but convictions- includes multiple arrests for domestic violence, assault, battery, carrying weapons illegally, sex offenses. He was a violent person, the record shows this without dispute. So if one looks at this, it makes it clear he is the kind of person who would use a firearm against others, including law enforcement, illegally.

Lastly, one has to consider what he knew he was facing after arrest. When you look at his criminal history you see he probably shouldn’t have been out in society at all given his record. But more to the point he knew he had a weapon illegally. He knew that being caught with it this time would probably send him back to prison for a very, very long time. So from his posit he had nothing to lose, and people who think they have nothing to lose make really stupid choices often.

And the police didn’t put him in that position. He was a convicted felon. He made the conscious choice to illegally obtain a gun even after he was caught and charged with carrying a gun illegally twice. He made the choice to put that illegal gun in his pocket that night. He put himself in that position.

So, looking at the totality of the circumstances do we see it more likely he wasn’t trying to reach for the gun as he resisted as part of his attempts, or that he did?

I know my inclination is to fall on the side of LE since I’ve done the job, and the inclination of most here is the opposite. But try to divorce your biases and look at the facts objectively.



media enid602 Mar 2018 #1
If only the media would give this killing the attention they give a fallen cop mountain grammy Mar 2018 #39
It's tragic. The murders of six year olds rainin Mar 2018 #2
Yep malaise Mar 2018 #3
It's a disgrace! denvine Mar 2018 #4
Go Parkland kids! I saw a lot of intersectionality in those speeches last Saturday.... DemocracyMouse Mar 2018 #5
Billionaires Run Our Country PaulX2 Mar 2018 #11
Yes, and the pyramid we've let them create is steep DemocracyMouse Mar 2018 #16
This was awesome, wasn't it? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #43
+++ heaven05 Mar 2018 #59
You can measure the potential threat to the status quo by the GOP response... Moostache Mar 2018 #6
racism and division is the essential tool that is used to grab power - n/t Locrian Mar 2018 #17
+a brazillion! Very well said indeed! nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #34
Brava! or Bravo! as the case may be. (I make no assumptions) scarletwoman Mar 2018 #42
make opening post Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #46
BLM robersl Mar 2018 #7
Did you see Wendell Perry tell this story on "Real Time"? tblue37 Mar 2018 #35
"Nobody should have to live with this kind of terror hanging over them..." scarletwoman Mar 2018 #44
With a warning like that pintobean Mar 2018 #8
Not being perfectly compliant is not a capital offense. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #12
He was armed. pintobean Mar 2018 #14
"Armed" isn't a reason why whites are killed, its meant more for black people especially uponit7771 Mar 2018 #19
Being armed is not a capital offense either. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #29
170 men from two biker gangs--armed men--after a brawl in which 9 people were killed and 18 injured: tblue37 Mar 2018 #36
Did you see? Blue_true Mar 2018 #41
So many of this sort of example. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2018 #45
Modern form of lynching. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #55
perfect example heaven05 Mar 2018 #51
I don't remember the specifics of the case - just that the video was gory. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #15
so you're heaven05 Mar 2018 #50
Exactly. And there is irrefutable video evidence. But the police get to default to "I felt in danger iluvtennis Mar 2018 #9
But is the gun OK? n/t Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #28
Your sarcasm detector needs adjusting. n/t Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #32
It Is Working Just Fine... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #33
Still In Wisconsin is OBVIOUSLY snarking that the gun humpers would be more worried about the well- tblue37 Mar 2018 #37
so you're heaven05 Mar 2018 #49
Good God, no. Fuck. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #52
If There Wasn't So Many Guns PaulX2 Mar 2018 #13
Police need guns lillypaddle Mar 2018 #24
***THIS POST !!!*** uponit7771 Mar 2018 #18
The police mindset is steeped in racism. Enoki33 Mar 2018 #20
This makes me fucking sick lillypaddle Mar 2018 #21
I wish there were a way to have laws to specifically address LEO mistakes that lead to deaths. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #22
Police know there is no downside to shooting at any threat. They seldom get convicted. n/t USALiberal Mar 2018 #38
UNREC brooklynite Mar 2018 #23
last time I looked LA jodymarie aimee Mar 2018 #25
I see; so by your logic, I take work direction from the Federal Government as well? brooklynite Mar 2018 #26
I noticed that too Progressive dog Mar 2018 #31
right heaven05 Mar 2018 #48
You don't want a reply, so I'll give you one anyway... brooklynite Mar 2018 #56
well I knew heaven05 Mar 2018 #58
The important thing is that you focus on an irrelevance LanternWaste Mar 2018 #57
Thank You... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #27
Black Lives Matter Heartstrings Mar 2018 #30
So sick of these wannabe big guy cops Miigwech Mar 2018 #40
because the MSM heaven05 Mar 2018 #47
There are lots of cases to be mad about- this just isnt one Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #53
I'm sorry but I'm gonna need a link to some of your statment Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #54
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