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Straw Man

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32. Not even remotely "provable."

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 08:38 PM

Mar 2018

Pointing at other weapons and possible scenarios makes it sound as though you are trying to ignore a provable fact.

Yes, rate of fire increases lethality of the incident, all other things being equal. But all other things are never equal. Skill and preparation of the shooter, physical layout of the crime scene, presence or absence of armed security, and many other factors are involved.

So what's your goal? A massive disruption of American society for the purpose of a possible slight reduction in the death toll of bizarre incidents that are an extreme outlier in the American crime portfolio?

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Don't let the NRA fool you with their "facts" [View all] Ohioboy Mar 2018 OP

Excellent. Plus, so-called "assault rifles" are used against society ways besides mass shootings. Hoyt Mar 2018 #1

Fools on parade Ohioboy Mar 2018 #4

Sorry Fellas, The second amendment won't work for you in this century. dubyadiprecession Mar 2018 #7

good point yonder Mar 2018 #13

PAY ATTENTION TO ME, DAMMIT! moondust Mar 2018 #14

You really do love that picture, don't you Hoyt? Straw Man Mar 2018 #17

Hoyt has quite the collection of racially segregated photos of gun owners... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #24

Represents majority of gun owners, and for some reason you guys seem OK with it. Hoyt Mar 2018 #28

Have you any factual basis for that claim? Straw Man Mar 2018 #35

"Represents majority of gun owners" Really? EX500rider Mar 2018 #56

First, percentage of people who own a gun is a better measure, and it's Hoyt Mar 2018 #57

Your claims are merely 'proof by assertion', or argumentum ad nauseum friendly_iconoclast Apr 2018 #58

Quite the collection? Straw Man Mar 2018 #34

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #26

Well....I don't have any GP6971 Mar 2018 #2

Lucky you Ohioboy Mar 2018 #3

I agree GP6971 Mar 2018 #5

Lots of gunners support NRA efforts, but are too cheap to pay dues. Hoyt Mar 2018 #6

Agree GP6971 Mar 2018 #11

Three kinds of lies... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #8

Twain has always been a favorite of mine. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #9

Point of clarification. The James Oliver Huberty uzi was a semi-auto carbine. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #10

Thanks for the clarification Ohioboy Mar 2018 #12

Not a problem. I'm here to help. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #15

i guess they just prefer AR15's when they're shooting children...fuck the nra spanone Mar 2018 #16

Here's another fact: Straw Man Mar 2018 #18

So what you are saying is... Ohioboy Mar 2018 #19

Nothing of the kind. Straw Man Mar 2018 #20

With all due respect, you are missing the point: 5 of the 10 used ARs within the last 7 years! Ohioboy Mar 2018 #21

Which is not the same point you made in the last post, or the one before that. Straw Man Mar 2018 #22

I get it that you don't want to ban ARs. That's fine. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #23

Not even remotely "provable." Straw Man Mar 2018 #32

I would like to see these weapons treated a little stricter than others. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #36

Remove AR-15s? They aren't going anywhere. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #27

I understand that. And, yes you are right. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #31

Here's where you're wrong. Straw Man Mar 2018 #37

Not all semi-autos are made to accept bump stocks, right? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #38

It's the other way around. Straw Man Mar 2018 #47

But isn't it easier to put a bump stock on a rifle where you can remove the original stock? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #50

It totally depends on the construction of the stock. Straw Man Mar 2018 #52

OK. shanny Mar 2018 #29

Hmm ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #33

Correlation does not equal causation Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #25

My argument is based on facts and numbers. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #30

"designed to accept devices like bump stocks" -- is putting the cart before the horse. X_Digger Mar 2018 #39

They are designed for accessories, whether those accessories came later or not. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #40

All rifles are designed for accessories. A ruger 10/22 has a ton of accessories for it- it's popular X_Digger Mar 2018 #41

Well guess what, my finger is an accessory too then, since I've bump fired with just that before. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #42

A ruger 10/22 is a "platform" as much as an AR is. Meaning, there are lots of accessories. X_Digger Mar 2018 #43

Yeah, and a string. You forgot to mention that string in your list. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #44

What a compelling argument you make. X_Digger Mar 2018 #45

Why are you doing this? Ohioboy Mar 2018 #46

I'm trying to get you to put the cart before the horse because the reverse doesn't make sense. X_Digger Mar 2018 #53

Your argument is based upon a cherry picked numbers Lee-Lee Mar 2018 #48

Substitute the word "capable" for the word "designed" in those statements. Ohioboy Mar 2018 #55

Wait a minute... Ohioboy Mar 2018 #51

and yet mnmoderatedem Mar 2018 #49

And yet again ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #54