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Demsrule86

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66. Sometimes you have to think about the politics. Consider that we won't get enough votes in the
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 08:11 AM
Apr 2018

Senatein in 18 to kick Trump out. He would remain after impeachment. In 2016 many did not consider the courts, Trump's criminal past and host of other issues...and didn't vote for Hillary Clinton...more than a few supposedly on our side. We will pay a price for this stupidity for decades. Let's not make it worse by giving Pence a chance to add more right wingers to the court, suppress more votes and and end Medicare/Social Security. Let play this smart. Our goal should be to put a Democrat in office in 20 and if we get the Senate by even one vote in 18, we block all SCOTUS judges.

Trump will likely get Americans killed and divide us for a decade. I dont agree with you. Trust Buster Apr 2018 #1
yes - and this too. the damage happening daily is breathtaking. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #3
I agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10
Horse hockey YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #107
Thats true Nevernose Apr 2018 #20
LOCK DoodieDonald UP. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP. DumpDrumpf Apr 2018 #28
It certainly couldn't get any worse... I want that POS gone!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #32
It could get way worse. Picture 'President' Pence winning in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #64
Sure it could - President Pence. marble falls Apr 2018 #129
I am banking on this thing going so deep that it will take Pence, maybe Ryan and McConnell NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #2
That's certainly a possibility. But I'm not banking on it at this point. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #8
strong hoping for sure - but I have an intuition what went on dwarfs watergate big time. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #9
Oh, I have no doubt it does. I'm just not confident that all of these people would be taken EffieBlack Apr 2018 #12
Yes! the next step is to inpeach Pence FakeNoose Apr 2018 #128
Agreed. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #130
Who can forget the 10 years of President Ford that we had? Nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #4
Because Gerald Ford and Mike Pence are exactly the same EffieBlack Apr 2018 #7
yep, chalk and cheese Exotica Apr 2018 #29
Ford was a much bigger name in his heyday compared to Mike Pence. John Fante Apr 2018 #33
By now, we should know better than to underestimate anyone EffieBlack Apr 2018 #53
The country is divided...the usual suspects would vote for Pence. And if it was perceived as Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #65
Same percentages Trump would get. John Fante Apr 2018 #86
Pence would have a better chance with mainstream Republicans, and he is from the midwest... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #93
But it would make progressives feel SO good! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109
Fact is, if Trump is impeached and removed (or resigns) and Pence takes over.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #80
Unless I'm missing the point, Ford was President for only 2 1/2 years. Nt Timer Apr 2018 #104
Yes, I'm afraid you did miss the point. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #140
Is this some kind of inside joke? Ford was not president for 10 years. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #119
Very good. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #141
EXCELLENT point! orangecrush Apr 2018 #127
We go as far as the evidence leads us. Eko Apr 2018 #5
Yup...there has to be such a thing as standards BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #40
I don't n/t SonofDonald Apr 2018 #6
Pence would certainly get Americans killed and divide us for a decade. J_William_Ryan Apr 2018 #11
You are exactly right about Pence EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13
Nope manor321 Apr 2018 #14
Pence does indeed have a following - and it will be larger and stronger than Trump's small base EffieBlack Apr 2018 #15
I agree Effie radical noodle Apr 2018 #27
Pence will have to make a choice RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #36
Republicans have been big supporters of Trump NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #99
Good luck with that EffieBlack Apr 2018 #106
I agree that Pence is more palatable to mainstream Republicans. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #16
Trump won't start a nuclear war NewsCenter28 Apr 2018 #18
I'm glad you're that confident. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #21
There is no time for that jberryhill Apr 2018 #43
If a Democrat can't beat Pence, we're fucked leftstreet Apr 2018 #17
Sometimes you have to think about the politics. Consider that we won't get enough votes in the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #66
I think its best for us if Trump's wretched baggage continues to carry us into 2020. ooky Apr 2018 #19
Let's look forward to the future, not backwards to the past gratuitous Apr 2018 #22
I want Trump around long enough for him to destroy the Republican party 4now Apr 2018 #23
Then you clearly don't understand 2 essential things RandomAccess Apr 2018 #24
I understand what's going on at least as well as you do. I just don't agree with you. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #25
Those questions are utterly irrelevant RandomAccess Apr 2018 #30
+1 Blues Heron Apr 2018 #71
Exactly right - RandomAccess Apr 2018 #84
It doesn't matter trixie2 Apr 2018 #26
I'll agree with you right down the line. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #31
I can't help but side-eye anyone who argues that Pence is John Fante Apr 2018 #34
Well, he'd promote the same policies and do so more competently. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #38
Border wall? Muslim ban? Killing DACA because he hates Latinos? John Fante Apr 2018 #42
I'm not convinced Pence wouldn't push for those things, especially the first and the third. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #58
With more support from the GOP Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #79
Read an article some time back, madamesilverspurs Apr 2018 #35
The secret service does NOT determine succession, it is the Constitution. Assuming impeachment was still_one Apr 2018 #44
Didn't suggest otherwise. madamesilverspurs Apr 2018 #48
got it, thanks still_one Apr 2018 #55
That's not an unreasonable argument. However... Garrett78 Apr 2018 #37
No. Fuck Trump. Ill take my chances with Dem majority congress and Pence in Oval Office blake2012 Apr 2018 #39
And Pence would have a natural advantage in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #67
Your logic is sound Effie, but I think it would be a deriliction of duty if the Democrats won the still_one Apr 2018 #41
And if we had allied with Hitler, we wouldnt be having to deal with Putin! jberryhill Apr 2018 #45
I wholeheartedly disagree Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #46
I hear you. But do you think they would actually remove him from office? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #47
Not important- what's important is they try. Speak truth to power nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #77
I think its very important EffieBlack Apr 2018 #81
Pence would be an automatic lame duck, hobbled by a Democratic House, and vastly unpopular Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #49
Ford Went From Honorable Man To Punch Line ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #61
He wouldn't be a lame duck. And all of Trumps voters would be livid and punish Democrats Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #68
Laughably unrealistic scenario. John Fante Apr 2018 #131
He would be a new president. Americans alway give new presidents the benefit of the doubt. Consider Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #137
It is a dliema I struggle with TheRealNorth Apr 2018 #50
I am mixed DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #51
From Eric Holder and David Axelrod Gothmog Apr 2018 #52
I absolutely agree. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #69
There is no way to get 67 votes in the Senate Gothmog Apr 2018 #74
There is not path to 67 in 18. It might make some feel good to impeach or be 'principled', Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #91
That is aggressive Gothmog Apr 2018 #95
I think you are correct. God...I would so like to see Rubio out...he is so smarmy. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #96
Prof Tribe agrees Gothmog Apr 2018 #90
He is right. This talk will only inflame Trump's base, and we lose the natural advantage that the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #92
I don't think you have much to worry about DFW Apr 2018 #54
well said loyalsister Apr 2018 #56
Maggot needs to go MFM008 Apr 2018 #57
+1000s DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #76
Agreed. Nothing worse. All of our health is being fucked up ecstatic Apr 2018 #111
Yesterday I though of Pence. I was in traffic in Vermont and following a car with Indiana plates. Vinca Apr 2018 #59
Like fucking a meat grinder. Orsino Apr 2018 #60
Something is missing. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #62
I have said this too. I hadn't thought about Pence as an incumbent but incumbents have a natural Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #63
I'd like trump gone today but as you said it will give pence time to dig in. Afromania Apr 2018 #70
If enough Republicans voted to impeach...? kentuck Apr 2018 #72
Possibly not, but it would depend EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73
I doubt that this will happen Gothmog Apr 2018 #75
I have come to a similar conclusion Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #78
We can not win 18-20 seats in the Senate - there are not that many Republican seats up. karynnj Apr 2018 #82
I agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #83
An absolute best case scenario would be Democrats getting 51/52 seats in the Senate NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #100
If we both take back the Senate, in a year when we had far more seats to defend and get + 40 karynnj Apr 2018 #101
I'll take my chances Bayard Apr 2018 #85
Everyone doesnt have that luxury. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #110
Trumps extreme narcissism is one of the few things... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #87
There is no way Pence doesn't go down with Trump. cbdo2007 Apr 2018 #88
what did Pence know bigtree Apr 2018 #89
Most likely enough that he'll go down right along with Spanky. GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #97
I just feel like criminals & traitors belong in prison. nt Ilsa Apr 2018 #94
I agree mcar Apr 2018 #98
We need some thorough investigative reporting on Pence. Past and present. nature-lover Apr 2018 #102
Definitely mcar Apr 2018 #105
This is really a great thread with good arguments on either side. yonder Apr 2018 #103
I've thought about it a lot too, and I have to disagree. ecstatic Apr 2018 #108
A less obnoxious president Pence w/2 years under his belt would oasis Apr 2018 #112
I'm old enough to remember people saying "They'll never impeach Nixon... thucythucy Apr 2018 #113
Me too EffieBlack Apr 2018 #114
You may well be right. thucythucy Apr 2018 #115
The courts are one of my primary concerns, as well EffieBlack Apr 2018 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #117
I've said from the start any impeachment has to nail Pence. moriah Apr 2018 #118
I agree with you Effie, even more now with Mueller and Rosenstein firings on the horizon Chasing Dreams Apr 2018 #120
Talk of Impeachment is a bad move Gothmog Apr 2018 #121
Trump is a drag on republicans. Blue_true Apr 2018 #122
I respectfully disagree. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #123
Some things can't be "undone with the stroke of a pen." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #124
Right-leaning judges can't make permanent changes. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #142
I don't think you appreciate the power and impact of our federal courts, from the Supreme Court EffieBlack Apr 2018 #143
I'd rather roll the dice with a President Pence. Sparkly Apr 2018 #125
Lots of people don't have the luxury of "rolling the dice" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #126
Every day OrangeTurd is in power democracy is at risk YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #132
A Trump presidency is literally killing people RIGHT NOW. John Fante Apr 2018 #133
The alternative is worse. Sparkly Apr 2018 #134
'and thereby open the door to the possibility of a full 10 YEARS of a Pence presidency' melman Apr 2018 #135
Unless Trump is removed from office before January 20, 2019, Pence could run twice nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #136
Pence is Sane Your Waiter Tonight Apr 2018 #138
Which makes him much more dangerous EffieBlack Apr 2018 #139
We don't know that. Why'd Trump select him? Did Putin tell him to? Fla Dem Apr 2018 #144
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