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Trump will likely get Americans killed and divide us for a decade. I dont agree with you. Trust Buster Apr 2018 #1
yes - and this too. the damage happening daily is breathtaking. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #3
I agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10
Horse hockey YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #107
Thats true Nevernose Apr 2018 #20
LOCK DoodieDonald UP. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP. DumpDrumpf Apr 2018 #28
It certainly couldn't get any worse... I want that POS gone!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #32
It could get way worse. Picture 'President' Pence winning in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #64
Sure it could - President Pence. marble falls Apr 2018 #129
I am banking on this thing going so deep that it will take Pence, maybe Ryan and McConnell NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #2
That's certainly a possibility. But I'm not banking on it at this point. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #8
strong hoping for sure - but I have an intuition what went on dwarfs watergate big time. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #9
Oh, I have no doubt it does. I'm just not confident that all of these people would be taken EffieBlack Apr 2018 #12
Yes! the next step is to inpeach Pence FakeNoose Apr 2018 #128
Agreed. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #130
Who can forget the 10 years of President Ford that we had? Nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #4
Because Gerald Ford and Mike Pence are exactly the same EffieBlack Apr 2018 #7
yep, chalk and cheese Exotica Apr 2018 #29
Ford was a much bigger name in his heyday compared to Mike Pence. John Fante Apr 2018 #33
By now, we should know better than to underestimate anyone EffieBlack Apr 2018 #53
The country is divided...the usual suspects would vote for Pence. And if it was perceived as Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #65
Same percentages Trump would get. John Fante Apr 2018 #86
Pence would have a better chance with mainstream Republicans, and he is from the midwest... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #93
But it would make progressives feel SO good! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109
Fact is, if Trump is impeached and removed (or resigns) and Pence takes over.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #80
Unless I'm missing the point, Ford was President for only 2 1/2 years. Nt Timer Apr 2018 #104
Yes, I'm afraid you did miss the point. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #140
Is this some kind of inside joke? Ford was not president for 10 years. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #119
Very good. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #141
EXCELLENT point! orangecrush Apr 2018 #127
We go as far as the evidence leads us. Eko Apr 2018 #5
Yup...there has to be such a thing as standards BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #40
I don't n/t SonofDonald Apr 2018 #6
Pence would certainly get Americans killed and divide us for a decade. J_William_Ryan Apr 2018 #11
You are exactly right about Pence EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13
Nope manor321 Apr 2018 #14
Pence does indeed have a following - and it will be larger and stronger than Trump's small base EffieBlack Apr 2018 #15
I agree Effie radical noodle Apr 2018 #27
Pence will have to make a choice RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #36
Republicans have been big supporters of Trump NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #99
Good luck with that EffieBlack Apr 2018 #106
I agree that Pence is more palatable to mainstream Republicans. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #16
Trump won't start a nuclear war NewsCenter28 Apr 2018 #18
I'm glad you're that confident. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #21
There is no time for that jberryhill Apr 2018 #43
If a Democrat can't beat Pence, we're fucked leftstreet Apr 2018 #17
Sometimes you have to think about the politics. Consider that we won't get enough votes in the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #66
I think its best for us if Trump's wretched baggage continues to carry us into 2020. ooky Apr 2018 #19
Let's look forward to the future, not backwards to the past gratuitous Apr 2018 #22
I want Trump around long enough for him to destroy the Republican party 4now Apr 2018 #23
Then you clearly don't understand 2 essential things RandomAccess Apr 2018 #24
I understand what's going on at least as well as you do. I just don't agree with you. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #25
Those questions are utterly irrelevant RandomAccess Apr 2018 #30
+1 Blues Heron Apr 2018 #71
Exactly right - RandomAccess Apr 2018 #84
It doesn't matter trixie2 Apr 2018 #26
I'll agree with you right down the line. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #31
I can't help but side-eye anyone who argues that Pence is John Fante Apr 2018 #34
Well, he'd promote the same policies and do so more competently. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #38
Border wall? Muslim ban? Killing DACA because he hates Latinos? John Fante Apr 2018 #42
I'm not convinced Pence wouldn't push for those things, especially the first and the third. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #58
With more support from the GOP Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #79
Read an article some time back, madamesilverspurs Apr 2018 #35
The secret service does NOT determine succession, it is the Constitution. Assuming impeachment was still_one Apr 2018 #44
Didn't suggest otherwise. madamesilverspurs Apr 2018 #48
got it, thanks still_one Apr 2018 #55
That's not an unreasonable argument. However... Garrett78 Apr 2018 #37
No. Fuck Trump. Ill take my chances with Dem majority congress and Pence in Oval Office blake2012 Apr 2018 #39
And Pence would have a natural advantage in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #67
Your logic is sound Effie, but I think it would be a deriliction of duty if the Democrats won the still_one Apr 2018 #41
And if we had allied with Hitler, we wouldnt be having to deal with Putin! jberryhill Apr 2018 #45
I wholeheartedly disagree Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #46
I hear you. But do you think they would actually remove him from office? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #47
Not important- what's important is they try. Speak truth to power nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #77
I think its very important EffieBlack Apr 2018 #81
Pence would be an automatic lame duck, hobbled by a Democratic House, and vastly unpopular Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #49
Ford Went From Honorable Man To Punch Line ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #61
He wouldn't be a lame duck. And all of Trumps voters would be livid and punish Democrats Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #68
Laughably unrealistic scenario. John Fante Apr 2018 #131
He would be a new president. Americans alway give new presidents the benefit of the doubt. Consider Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #137
It is a dliema I struggle with TheRealNorth Apr 2018 #50
I am mixed DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #51
From Eric Holder and David Axelrod Gothmog Apr 2018 #52
I absolutely agree. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #69
There is no way to get 67 votes in the Senate Gothmog Apr 2018 #74
There is not path to 67 in 18. It might make some feel good to impeach or be 'principled', Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #91
That is aggressive Gothmog Apr 2018 #95
I think you are correct. God...I would so like to see Rubio out...he is so smarmy. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #96
Prof Tribe agrees Gothmog Apr 2018 #90
He is right. This talk will only inflame Trump's base, and we lose the natural advantage that the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #92
I don't think you have much to worry about DFW Apr 2018 #54
well said loyalsister Apr 2018 #56
Maggot needs to go MFM008 Apr 2018 #57
+1000s DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #76
Agreed. Nothing worse. All of our health is being fucked up ecstatic Apr 2018 #111
Yesterday I though of Pence. I was in traffic in Vermont and following a car with Indiana plates. Vinca Apr 2018 #59
Like fucking a meat grinder. Orsino Apr 2018 #60
Something is missing. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #62
I have said this too. I hadn't thought about Pence as an incumbent but incumbents have a natural Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #63
I'd like trump gone today but as you said it will give pence time to dig in. Afromania Apr 2018 #70
If enough Republicans voted to impeach...? kentuck Apr 2018 #72
Possibly not, but it would depend EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73
I doubt that this will happen Gothmog Apr 2018 #75
I have come to a similar conclusion Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #78
We can not win 18-20 seats in the Senate - there are not that many Republican seats up. karynnj Apr 2018 #82
I agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #83
An absolute best case scenario would be Democrats getting 51/52 seats in the Senate NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #100
If we both take back the Senate, in a year when we had far more seats to defend and get + 40 karynnj Apr 2018 #101
I'll take my chances Bayard Apr 2018 #85
Everyone doesnt have that luxury. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #110
Trumps extreme narcissism is one of the few things... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #87
There is no way Pence doesn't go down with Trump. cbdo2007 Apr 2018 #88
what did Pence know bigtree Apr 2018 #89
Most likely enough that he'll go down right along with Spanky. GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #97
I just feel like criminals & traitors belong in prison. nt Ilsa Apr 2018 #94
I agree mcar Apr 2018 #98
We need some thorough investigative reporting on Pence. Past and present. nature-lover Apr 2018 #102
Definitely mcar Apr 2018 #105
This is really a great thread with good arguments on either side. yonder Apr 2018 #103
I've thought about it a lot too, and I have to disagree. ecstatic Apr 2018 #108
A less obnoxious president Pence w/2 years under his belt would oasis Apr 2018 #112
I'm old enough to remember people saying "They'll never impeach Nixon... thucythucy Apr 2018 #113
Me too EffieBlack Apr 2018 #114
You may well be right. thucythucy Apr 2018 #115
The courts are one of my primary concerns, as well EffieBlack Apr 2018 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #117
I've said from the start any impeachment has to nail Pence. moriah Apr 2018 #118
I agree with you Effie, even more now with Mueller and Rosenstein firings on the horizon Chasing Dreams Apr 2018 #120
Talk of Impeachment is a bad move Gothmog Apr 2018 #121
Trump is a drag on republicans. Blue_true Apr 2018 #122
I respectfully disagree. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #123
Some things can't be "undone with the stroke of a pen." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #124
Right-leaning judges can't make permanent changes. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #142
I don't think you appreciate the power and impact of our federal courts, from the Supreme Court EffieBlack Apr 2018 #143
I'd rather roll the dice with a President Pence. Sparkly Apr 2018 #125
Lots of people don't have the luxury of "rolling the dice" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #126
Every day OrangeTurd is in power democracy is at risk YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #132
A Trump presidency is literally killing people RIGHT NOW. John Fante Apr 2018 #133
The alternative is worse. Sparkly Apr 2018 #134
'and thereby open the door to the possibility of a full 10 YEARS of a Pence presidency' melman Apr 2018 #135
Unless Trump is removed from office before January 20, 2019, Pence could run twice nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #136
Pence is Sane Your Waiter Tonight Apr 2018 #138
Which makes him much more dangerous EffieBlack Apr 2018 #139
We don't know that. Why'd Trump select him? Did Putin tell him to? Fla Dem Apr 2018 #144
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