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northremembers

(63 posts)
73. All that is true but...
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:55 PM
Apr 2018

I voted for Hillary in both the general election and even the primary when all my liberal friends voted for Bernie. I think she was a great Secretary of State and a quiet but powerful advocate for women's rights throughout the world. I still don't like her. It bugs me when she takes credit for #metoo or takes money to talk to Wall Street execs.

I don't look at Hillary and see single payer health care, or cleaning up Wall Street, or investing in a moderate middle class to stabilize unstable parts of the world, or challenging Scott Walker on labor unions, or solving the high cost of housing (my #1 issue). Even though these were all policies during her husband's administration she didn't campaign on them. Bill Clinton openly advocated higher taxes and gays in the military during his 1992 campaign. He also made an outspoken environmentalist his VP candidate. Hillary was very moderate , took few chances, and focused on negative campaigning against Trump.

I live in California and feel pretty good about most of the people I vote for. We have lots of policies I am proud to support. The truth, however, is we all feel the economy is pulling away from us. Many people throughout the country fell the same way, but here Democrats are in a position to do something about it. The average voters have political will to implement progressive policies, Democrats have all the power they need to implement such policies, all the technological, financial, and educational resources are available to facilitate better cost of living policies. Yet, the whole world sees it costs too much to live here and our leaders are not in front of this issue.

If working class Americans looked at liberal policies and saw we had a real handle on individual economic empowerment and social mobility we would win every election. Yes, there are extremists who support bad leaders like Trump. Most of the people I know personally who voted for him are average people who are looking to build a better life for themselves and their families. That's why most people voted for Trump, Putin, Brexit, and even Hitler (he won the popular vote before he made himself a dictator). We have to change our party's image on this issue and we can only do this by producing results working class Americans can connect with. Until we do, mainstream voters will continue to be vulnerable to all the dirty campaigning conservatives throw at us.

Touche (with the tilde) angstlessk Apr 2018 #1
Accent acute ('accent aigu' in French) unblock Apr 2018 #6
Accent aigu... dchill Apr 2018 #29
Touché n/t sl8 Apr 2018 #55
Alt + 130 Marty Marzipan Apr 2018 #56
Welcome to DU, Marty Marzipan! calimary Apr 2018 #63
Depress and hold "alt" key icnorth Apr 2018 #69
Include the Electoral College in the list. olegramps Apr 2018 #53
That too. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #101
Crosscheck mhm halobeam Apr 2018 #2
beat me to it LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #96
Beat me to it also but OP did mention database purges. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #102
You are correct, but.... safeinOhio Apr 2018 #3
Yup. Just needed to remind people there is more to the story they tend to spout. shraby Apr 2018 #4
don't forget 1500 coordinated radio stations certainot Apr 2018 #43
Have to remember that saying. nt 7962 Apr 2018 #25
Also disenfranchisement and selective placement of polling places unblock Apr 2018 #5
Yes, she was so much better candidate than Trump that it took all of that to put him ahead. Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #7
Even the Russians are having second thoughts I suspect. Stonepounder Apr 2018 #24
I doubt we will ever know all that happened in that election. My biggest fear is that nothing Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #76
Yep! moose65 Apr 2018 #52
It was a shit storm conglomerate of fucked up things. The End. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #8
+1000 nt Shipwack Apr 2018 #45
Yes it was -- including Comey's October Surprise Martin Eden Apr 2018 #70
Including Hillary lame54 Apr 2018 #9
Then why did she win the popular vote lunatica Apr 2018 #13
She was running against Donald Trump. Kentonio Apr 2018 #14
A cryptic response meaning nothing lunatica Apr 2018 #19
Why the civics lesson... lame54 Apr 2018 #23
I read your remark as Hillary being the cause of her loss lunatica Apr 2018 #27
Actually.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #37
That's a different interview lame54 Apr 2018 #40
From November 2016. Why don't you post a link to the interview you are referring to? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #54
Part of it DownriverDem Apr 2018 #59
"the actual counting of the votes as cast" dchill Apr 2018 #32
What "wrong thing" is HRC "blaming"? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #16
In an interview after the election... lame54 Apr 2018 #22
No, she talked about a lot of things, not just Comey. ehrnst Apr 2018 #36
Awww. Your facts are messing up his meme. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #87
Don't they, tho? ehrnst Apr 2018 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #71
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #86
The election was stolen. Period. Hillary won the popular vote bigly. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #10
I blame one thing - votes were flipped. pnwest Apr 2018 #11
That would not surprise me at all NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #17
I blame that too - plus all of the above RandomAccess Apr 2018 #21
This RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #28
It's far from the only occurrence too. Ligyron Apr 2018 #35
History will not be kind to us, but it WILL be VERY kind to Hillary EffieBlack Apr 2018 #12
Hope you are right hueymahl Apr 2018 #31
I am certain of it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #67
Me too. NT hueymahl Apr 2018 #78
The Republicans know they can't win without some low down dirty manipulation. YOHABLO Apr 2018 #15
Don't forget MSM giving the moron tons of free air time BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #18
if trump paid $1000/hr for radio advertising the radio that dems ignore is worth $18M/day FREE certainot Apr 2018 #49
Using the cards up your sleeve isn't winning the card game, robbing a bank isn't earning money, Neema Apr 2018 #20
On election day there was only 1 thing left to do that was within our power elocs Apr 2018 #26
This: CrispyQ Apr 2018 #81
And the biggie: the electoral college itself eallen Apr 2018 #30
Right. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #51
We all know how presidents are elected and had Clinton won the way Trump did elocs Apr 2018 #90
Millennia of sexism...decades of Clinton mythology on cable news. Orsino Apr 2018 #33
I know exactly who you mean. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #34
What effect did gerrymandering have? sl8 Apr 2018 #38
It has to do with many states engaging in this practice to ensure the favored party wins Hekate Apr 2018 #77
How did gerrymandering affect the 2016 Presidential election? sl8 Apr 2018 #85
It was a volatile electorate for those underlying causes bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #39
Add: Millions of Californians are disenfranchised by the electoral college. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #41
Thank you, Sophia4, from this Californian Hekate Apr 2018 #79
Add the fact that it's hard as hell to keep one party in the WH for more than 8 years TexasBushwhacker Apr 2018 #42
Small nit-pick Cartoonist Apr 2018 #44
Yeah, I'm still not sure what the OP's point was zipplewrath Apr 2018 #50
Those are the fixable things, yep. Misogyny, not so much. n/t TygrBright Apr 2018 #46
I blame voter apathy cutroot Apr 2018 #47
And it still wouldn't have taken many of those situations being reversed. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #48
Hillary didn't lose. jeffreyi Apr 2018 #57
Yes, but . . . MrModerate Apr 2018 #58
Most off us haven't forgotten, shraby. Thanks for reminding those who have. Nitram Apr 2018 #60
Orchestrating October surprise 11 days before election elias7 Apr 2018 #61
Voting Machines. lovemydogs Apr 2018 #62
And Comey dajoki Apr 2018 #64
Really though, do you think he was smart enough to pour the sand out of his boots nolabels Apr 2018 #75
1000% correct Denis 11 Apr 2018 #65
K & R Yes, yes, yes!!! mountain grammy Apr 2018 #66
K&R! nt Mountain Mule Apr 2018 #68
No FBI investigations and the Russian slander reverberates far less andym Apr 2018 #72
All that is true but... northremembers Apr 2018 #73
Good post LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #97
When did Hillary take credit for #metoo mcar Apr 2018 #110
Every time some talking head brings up HRC's loss, I discount everything they have to say unless Hekate Apr 2018 #74
All that, and Comey too. It's absurd to think Comey's October surprise had no effect at all lunamagica Apr 2018 #80
All of the above plus Comey. They manipulated Comey too. They threw everything they had at Hillary C UCmeNdc Apr 2018 #82
check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, and check. debsy Apr 2018 #83
Thank you! That is so correct. Some are just remembering Comey. I NEVER thought Comey... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #84
and COMEY provided the optics and cover ecstatic Apr 2018 #88
I blame it on the above, leveraged in 3 swing states, due to the vile electoral college. diane in sf Apr 2018 #89
Yes! karin_sj Apr 2018 #91
Thank you! ananda Apr 2018 #92
You left off corporate American media in its many forms, JCanete Apr 2018 #93
as H said, she won all the dynamic areas radius777 Apr 2018 #94
Two primary factors for me... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #98
She lost bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #99
Yep... progressoid Apr 2018 #103
Wonder what the charts for Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio etc look like...n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #106
THANK YOU. I knew summer of 2016 that between Crosscheck voter database purges and Russian Amaryllis Apr 2018 #100
Ari Melber had a great show tonight. He disagrees with you about Cohen. DylanUSC Apr 2018 #104
Sorry, I think she lost it herself... brooklynite Apr 2018 #105
I disagree. I think Comey's intervention altered the affect of the election. StevieM Apr 2018 #109
The right-wing hate machine had Turbineguy Apr 2018 #107
And Bernie Sanders. Lil Missy Apr 2018 #108
Definitely this, and it crosses over in so many ways. Hillary R B Garr Apr 2018 #112
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #114
She wasn't nearly as "flawed" a candidate barbtries Apr 2018 #111
Ominous indications exiting the 2014 midterms Awsi Dooger Apr 2018 #113
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