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R B Garr

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146. There is a yuuuuge factor missing from this list,

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Sun Apr 22, 2018, 10:00 AM

Apr 2018

but, yes, it took a global effort against her to get 75,000 people in our country to vote for a con man.

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Hillary a weak candidate? [View all] SHRED Apr 2018 OP

Hell no, she wasn't! mcar Apr 2018 #1

K&R'd Eko Apr 2018 #2

She would have won in a landslide had it not been for James Comey and the out-of-control FBI. StevieM Apr 2018 #3

I blame the profit-driven media and their completely deceptive trumpeting of a NON-STORY ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #8

I see your point, but only Comey could allow the message to be delivered with the prestige StevieM Apr 2018 #12

I agree with you 1000%. I've always said that if the media had called Trump's lies "a lie" politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #101

Yep, Comey was the main reason. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #34

She was only up 5 points when Comey reopened the case krawhitham Apr 2018 #180

It was more like 6 points. But still, Trump had made recent gains, which also means two things: StevieM Apr 2018 #182

When the opposition actually lies, cheats and steals and HRC won the popular democratisphere Apr 2018 #4

And a hugely biased media. Donnie got 80% of airtime and 80% of what Hillary got was scandal unblock Apr 2018 #5

*This* nt brer cat Apr 2018 #51

*It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS!* VOX Apr 2018 #134

German businesses found out too late that Hitler was not so good for business.... unblock Apr 2018 #150

Those military contracts must have looked like a sure thing in 1940... VOX Apr 2018 #166

I blame the media almost entirely. Their coverage was a disgrace to their profession. yardwork Apr 2018 #139

I wonder how many could have stood up to what she did... CatMor Apr 2018 #6

It took an army to steal the Oval Office from her. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #7

I would add the fucking cable nooze 24/7 emails and puffing Cha Apr 2018 #9

K & R "They were never going to cover Hillary Clintons plans"" Wwcd Apr 2018 #10

Very good read! NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #17

Like "conservatives" are not going to lie about and smear anyone we nominate... Cary Apr 2018 #11

EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR! Hekate Apr 2018 #13

I've got to respectfully disagree with this sentiment. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #14

I agree as well. Nedsdag Apr 2018 #15

So its a good thing she didn't win anyway, Cuz she'd have gotten nothing done anyway with the GOP?! Wwcd Apr 2018 #21

I wouldn't go that far at all, myself. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #26

I know.. what a bunch of negative Cha Apr 2018 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2018 #16

You're wrong by two and a half months. She clinched in early June. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2018 #19

There was no viable path for Sanders to win the delegate vote count in March mythology Apr 2018 #22

However, note the consequences of it dragging out like that. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Apr 2018 #31

Please Cut the Crap.. Hillary touched Millions of Democratic Voters.. Cha Apr 2018 #98

By about 4 M over bernie. boston bean Apr 2018 #120

Yeah.. make up their own scenarios.. Cha Apr 2018 #121

Nice to see you Cha. Yep I will never forget it. And I won't let anyone else either. boston bean Apr 2018 #123

Me neither, boston bean.. Cha Apr 2018 #124

+1000, Yup, there has been nonstop rewriting of history. R B Garr Apr 2018 #145

I respectfully call BULL.. you are FLAGRANTLY ignoring REALITY Cha Apr 2018 #20

Well said. zentrum Apr 2018 #23

Her campaign was strong. Her platform was everything America now claims they want in the next Pres. Wwcd Apr 2018 #27

Campaign and campaigner are different things BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #149

She wrote the policy platform. She campaigned on that. That was all in her speeches Wwcd Apr 2018 #151

Exactly. But many zentrum Apr 2018 #161

Your initial distinction was spot on BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #173

Disagree Me. Apr 2018 #35

In the fiction section. Cha Apr 2018 #36

... Me. Apr 2018 #38

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #42

I don't think she was too heavy a favorite in early 2007. She made herself a big favorite by StevieM Apr 2018 #43

I think you have to go back further. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #47

I don't think it is fair to say that she was the presumptive nominee. StevieM Apr 2018 #50

Again, given all her advantages, she should never have been caught flat-footed by anybody Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #53

She fucking had 3m more votes than trumpass. Stopin acting like she was some horrid candidate. boston bean Apr 2018 #122

Honest criticism means it has to be true. betsuni Apr 2018 #125

We've been 'splained about the Democratic Candidate on DU before ehrnst Apr 2018 #162

I Think You're Invested In Your Contention Me. Apr 2018 #52

Yeah, that was the one eighteen years ago she might have covered the spread. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #55

Due Respect Me. Apr 2018 #58

And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #62

And You Are Entitled To Your Opinion Me. Apr 2018 #66

Nah.. Millions knew she was the best candidate.. it was Cha Apr 2018 #99

"She is a flawed candidate" was a popular right wing talking point. lapucelle Apr 2018 #165

I think she was seen as the superior candidate. But the people were tricked into believing StevieM Apr 2018 #171

You should spend more time looking into the politics of New York - especially.... George II Apr 2018 #100

Senate races in NY were a lot more competitive back then. StevieM Apr 2018 #147

I can see it bothers anyone who's into the reality of Cha Apr 2018 #69

In all frankness Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #40

Well, she built up a huge lead in the first 9 months of 2007. Contrary to popular belief, StevieM Apr 2018 #46

Never should have happened, though. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #49

You forget that sexism is likely stronger than racism as well. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #97

I'm still pissed that druidity33 Apr 2018 #128

Given that the American people were persuaded that she somehow broke the law and got away with it, StevieM Apr 2018 #44

Recent developments with Comey aside Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #45

Hillary, as the candidate in ultimate control of her campaign has taken responsibility for her loss. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #67

I find it amazing that the female candidate lapucelle Apr 2018 #167

Who here, or anywhere - certainly not me - admonished Hillary to apologize? For what? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #174

I was talking about the press and media. N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #184

I also respectfully BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #114

If Trump was the worst major party presidential candidate in American history, betsuni Apr 2018 #130

"she barely won the 2016 nomination" this is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2018 #135

Perfectly put. Kentonio Apr 2018 #140

We voted for her. We wanted her. But it's over, now. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #24

No, it's not "over".. the DNC is suing.. Cha Apr 2018 #25

K & R Cha. The organized injustice done to HRC & to the Dem Party WILL BE made right. Wwcd Apr 2018 #30

Bloodly well right, Wwcd.. My theory on why Cha Apr 2018 #33

No, It's Not Over Me. Apr 2018 #37

It is So Not Over! Excellent points about Cha Apr 2018 #59

I Do Believe It Will Be In The Forseeable Future Me. Apr 2018 #60

I hope so! Cha Apr 2018 #76

Glad to see this is finally happening... too bad the lawsuit can't overturn the election... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #72

I think it took awhile to get their very important Cha Apr 2018 #82

I agree... indeed, I see a lot of upside potential. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #85

K&R. Well said, Cha lunamagica Apr 2018 #91

Gracias, lunamagica! Cha Apr 2018 #94

... lunamagica Apr 2018 #103

That makes my day apkhgp Apr 2018 #32

Yeah. This! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #39

More conservative than I'd have preferred, but hands down THE most qualified Mc Mike Apr 2018 #41

Who the hell is Stewart Safran? oberliner Apr 2018 #48

Makes ya wonder, Dream Girl Apr 2018 #159

I voted for HIllary, but . .. . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #54

+1 BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #56

Wrong. Clinton: "I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. betsuni Apr 2018 #57

She has taken responsibility for them, but many here act . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #61

That's because many of her so-called mistakes aren't true. betsuni Apr 2018 #63

Oh, right, she ran a perfect campaign -- I keep fogetting . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #64

And there it is. Saying that not all criticisms of Hillary are true means I think she's perfect. betsuni Apr 2018 #65

You referred to her "so-called errors" . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #68

What were her errors? betsuni Apr 2018 #74

One of them . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #77

She made plenty of campaign stops and did plenty of rallies. StevieM Apr 2018 #81

And again I say . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #90

You originally said, "Hillary would be the first political candidate in U.S. political history ... betsuni Apr 2018 #95

Actually, you didnt say that and keep changing your responses... bettyellen Apr 2018 #170

I think the certain parts of the electorate who thought HRC was elitist are the ones betsuni Apr 2018 #89

Baloney.. ".. that she was elitist among certain Cha Apr 2018 #111

And aside from that, she WAS (is) charismatic. She's been the most admired woman in the world.... George II Apr 2018 #143

That's right, George.. excellent point. I had forgotten Cha Apr 2018 #144

Obama, along with most educated people the U.S. are called "elitists" ehrnst Apr 2018 #129

Nonsense mcar Apr 2018 #141

She was the most "charismatic" candidate among all of the Democrats, she had substance..... George II Apr 2018 #142

My favorite is the claim that she didn't campaign in Pennsylvania, a state that she visited StevieM Apr 2018 #79

Oh yeah, it was Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin. betsuni Apr 2018 #86

many people want to downplay or ignore Putin and Comey's Role in the election JI7 Apr 2018 #88

So true & why is that?.. It's still reality whether they acknowledge Cha Apr 2018 #96

Top Republican ADMITS Trump Won Wisconsin by Keeping Democrats From Voting Cha Apr 2018 #127

IIRC, she stuck to the big urban areas of PA DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #132

Her commercials ran everywhere. They ran in all parts of the state. StevieM Apr 2018 #148

No, I know she ran many ads DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #189

As the Candidate she never went to Wisconsin forthemiddle Apr 2018 #131

See post #86 -- I meant Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin. betsuni Apr 2018 #133

Nope.. Hillary took responsibility but it was still Cha Apr 2018 #73

Again, I readily concede she has taken responsibility for her own mistakes . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #75

I still don't understand your argument. betsuni Apr 2018 #83

Nobody said anything about any damn guns being held Cha Apr 2018 #84

"...many here act.." That's not reality, that's your perception. Don't be so vested in a uponit7771 Apr 2018 #138

BULL.. she's not escaping any responsibility.. but it was still Cha Apr 2018 #70

No, she's not . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #71

No she's not perfect but, I appreciate her supporters who are calling Cha Apr 2018 #78

What do you mean by "her supporters"? She's not running for anything. betsuni Apr 2018 #80

Hillary certainly DOES deserve a lot of credit for that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #87

Again, "no responsibility" is your strawman it's not what anyone is saying uponit7771 Apr 2018 #137

Oh FFS! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #116

No one is saying she was perfect, that's your strawman. Its obvious people are saying she ... uponit7771 Apr 2018 #136

she was the victim of the largest disinformation campaign literally in the world's history Takket Apr 2018 #92

Hyperbole much? misanthrope Apr 2018 #109

It's certainly the Biggest Disinformation campaign Cha Apr 2018 #113

I am still blaming Comey regardless. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #93

And me lunamagica Apr 2018 #105

And sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #107

Yes, they do! lunamagica Apr 2018 #178

Thot I saved the email, but I dint. Did some diggin' and found what sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #118

That's a really great article, deserving of it's own thread. Thanks for sharing! lunamagica Apr 2018 #177

Being 'driven' since 08 November 2016. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #185

TRUE! And let's not forget the fact that it doesn't matter if you have the BEST lunamagica Apr 2018 #102

Mahalo for the important Reminder, Luna! And, the Cha Apr 2018 #104

I saw this and have gladness! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #108

Yes! I finally read the whole article that the DNC Cha Apr 2018 #110

Na z'drovje, Cha! To your well being! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #115

Cheers to you, sprinkleen! Cha Apr 2018 #117

Yeah! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #119

+1 betsuni Apr 2018 #106

Exactly! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #112

How many times did she have to testify before congress Soxfan58 Apr 2018 #126

There is a yuuuuge factor missing from this list, R B Garr Apr 2018 #146

All true. Now what. Can we move on now? Dream Girl Apr 2018 #152

According to some psychologists there are 5 steps in accepting loss. jalan48 Apr 2018 #153

Seems like some maybe looping through the stages... Dream Girl Apr 2018 #154

Yes, two steps forward then one back. jalan48 Apr 2018 #172

In denial of what? betsuni Apr 2018 #155

Loss jalan48 Apr 2018 #156

But the Revolution is under way, isn't it? betsuni Apr 2018 #157

We shall see. I think focusing on the upcoming elections is the key. jalan48 Apr 2018 #158

What happened to the 2016 Democratic party candidate will happen to the next one. betsuni Apr 2018 #160

Yes, it seems to keep happening. Al Gore actually won both the popular vote and the electoral jalan48 Apr 2018 #164

Until Bernie supporters stop denigrating one of the most successful American woman politicians Fla Dem Apr 2018 #169

Why does it bother you so much? This is a political Cha Apr 2018 #188

Clinton was not a weak candidate Gothmog Apr 2018 #163

Hillary Clinton had the 2nd most popular votes in the history of US Presidential elections. Fla Dem Apr 2018 #168

Wow! Great post! R B Garr Apr 2018 #175

and she lost to a corrupt racist who brags about assaulting women krawhitham Apr 2018 #181

The election was stolen by traitors and enemies of the United States. Nitram Apr 2018 #176

She was a candidate the GOP had beat down for 30 years, making her a WEAK CANDIDATE krawhitham Apr 2018 #179

And just who do you think would have beaten Trump? Sanders? Biden? Fla Dem Apr 2018 #183

You're not facing reality. Cha Apr 2018 #187

The 70-30 number is not realistic. The problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact StevieM Apr 2018 #191

To say nothing of outright vote tampering. sandensea Apr 2018 #186

Enough already. Instead of beating a dead horse, prepare for the next race. Don't mourn, organize jg10003 Apr 2018 #190