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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
98. A politician with no money has no chance. A politician with a little
Thu May 10, 2018, 06:24 PM
May 2018

money or pre-established clout/name recognition/etc. may catch fire in a fluke
conflation of circumstances and thus raise a whole lot of money from individual donors, which is what happened to Sanders, allowing him to propel that message forward and in turn, get more funding to do so and to run his campaign. What positions can get corporate funding and what positions cannot is kind of what is at play here. There is no big money to be had if you have a certain ideology, particularly if it puts a target on the back of those with the purse strings. They don't like it there.

At some level how much money a campaign has versus one's opponent stops being as much of a factor. Or at least there's going to be a point of diminishing returns...but there is a whole lot of other capital that exists, and how that capital is achieved is worth at least exploring. One could argue that people who have a lot of backing from arms of the corporate media, have it because they have generated that good will and have come out the best from rigorous journalistic vetting. One could argue as a counter-point that those who get that media blessing(positive free press and the negative or absence of press for their opponents) get it because of the hiring choices these media institutions make in the first place, which reflect the mindset or desires of their hirers. Also, that individuals in media and those organizations they work for fear crossing front-runner candidates because to do so could limit access, which could directly impact their bottom line.

One could point to direct intervention of media owners into what message will be sold to the public and what message will be ignored. The most obvious examples have to do with Sinclair broadcasting and FOX news and its infamous memos. I think this is the least common and most egregious form of media manipulation, and there are examples to be cited at MSNBC and I'm sure elsewhere as well, but they aren't by any stretch the most pervasive way in which the candidates with the most financial support from industries get the most attention. For one thing, it is popular for journalists to report on viable candidates based upon their ability to secure that kind of funding. By virtue of impressing corporate donors and getting them on your side, you are already considered by the media to be the legitimate candidate in the race from early on.

So much journalism doesn't even dig deeper at this stage of a race. They're already picking winners and that ultimately has an impact on who people will put their vote behind. Sure, the very fact that these candidates did secure that money is evidence that they will be better situated to take a nomination, but I'm not sure it is the media's job to simply report that person as the serious candidate...the media's job should be to look into the candidates and to determine what their platforms are and what their ideals and records are and to bring that information to the public so that the money itself isn't the biggest thing that weighs on who is viable.

I think there are enough people to get a game going. NCTraveler May 2018 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst May 2018 #2
Who is "shirts" and who is "skins"? George II May 2018 #5
Oh dear. NurseJackie May 2018 #3
Here's another: ehrnst May 2018 #4
Imagine where our party could be if we had ONE Voice, ONE leader and Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #27
Exactly. This kind of stuff pisses me off 😡 arthritisR_US May 2018 #34
How do we choose such a leader? Who would that be? pampango May 2018 #41
Real easy, someone like Pelosi could lead us until we remove ACTUAL NAZIS from the WH Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #43
She certainly could. As could Schumer, Clinton and many others. pampango May 2018 #47
Well, some who would like to lead liberals seem to think that any ehrnst May 2018 #48
BUT, they can't be TOO liberal or else Republicans won't like them and we'll need to get rid of them EffieBlack May 2018 #53
Yeah, unless it's Pelosi - then the rules all change. ehrnst May 2018 #58
Oh? Did they change the rules for Pelosi? EffieBlack May 2018 #59
Periodically they do. ehrnst May 2018 #63
Ahh EffieBlack May 2018 #67
A rapidly shrinking portion of the party ehrnst May 2018 #70
I fail to see why an independent is involving himself in Democratic primaries...I just don't Demsrule86 May 2018 #85
I welcome independents to our party and to our primary process as long as they agree to support pampango May 2018 #88
I don't. I believe in closed primaries. And those who are not members should not endorse anyone. Demsrule86 May 2018 #99
One people, one nation, one leader? Jim Lane May 2018 #84
Well, I did hear that millions watched the event on digital media outlets. lapucelle May 2018 #81
An easy and unprovable claim. Demsrule86 May 2018 #86
And millions looked at the tweet photos... NurseJackie May 2018 #89
Fives of people turned out for the rally! MineralMan May 2018 #6
... mcar May 2018 #52
I just couldn't help it..... Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #79
Last I heard... sheshe2 May 2018 #101
Lies! Not in any universe I've ever heard of. Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #104
Bwahahahaha!!!!!!! sheshe2 May 2018 #106
hahaha...This gives me hope that even if Sen. Sanders runs, it won't hurt us in 20. Demsrule86 May 2018 #87
.... Kahuna7 May 2018 #105
Is that all of the crowd? Gothmog May 2018 #7
Jealous for big rallies. betsuni May 2018 #8
Just so I understand completely Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #9
Who is saying either of those things here? ehrnst May 2018 #10
So the responses above me aren't about the size of the group? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #12
The posts above said neither thing that you accused them of. ehrnst May 2018 #17
OK. That's the game we are playing. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #38
I had no idea that my posts held that kind of power to influence votes! ehrnst May 2018 #42
IKR? EffieBlack May 2018 #60
We'll have to discuss this at the coven - er... Book club meeing. ehrnst May 2018 #64
Shhhh! EffieBlack May 2018 #68
One - I never knew you had that power JustAnotherGen May 2018 #91
But I am a Democrat and liberal, I am NOT a progressive and this is Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #28
Well, that's an odd distinction. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #37
Not at all odd. If one is a liberal one does not need to say they are also Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #40
"a liberal one does not need to say they are also progressive. " sunRISEnow May 2018 #50
The label of "progressive" has morphed into something that it didn't use to mean. ehrnst May 2018 #44
It's kinda funny, I've received a ton of shit from a few here for merely observing that... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #77
thanks Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #94
Thank you, thank you, thank you GulfCoast66 May 2018 #78
Indeed, well stated Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #95
not really...you only posted this to be snarky. You know it. The poster made a good point there. Are JCanete May 2018 #56
Let us count the strawmen here... ehrnst May 2018 #62
what are your intentions? And no, I actually said what I meant. I said I don't necessarily endorse JCanete May 2018 #65
"support or lack-thereof doesn't in itself indicate whether or not there should be support for a ehrnst May 2018 #72
Crowds are an indication of the support a candidate has.... George II May 2018 #66
totally agree...and? The point here was to what...draw attention to a candidate who needs more JCanete May 2018 #71
Circular logic... you blame a candidate's "lack of support" on ehrnst May 2018 #73
That is not what I was saying at all. I was saying that his popularity showed JCanete May 2018 #96
So you are shifting your definition of support.... ehrnst May 2018 #97
A politician with no money has no chance. A politician with a little JCanete May 2018 #98
Do you have an example of this? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #100
do you have an example of an avowed socialist ever getting big corporate funding? JCanete May 2018 #102
I see that your rant is about a specific candidate not getting the funding you think he should have. ehrnst May 2018 #107
how could it be about Sanders? Granted there aren't many socialists around, but JCanete May 2018 #110
You seem to think that I implied being a millionaire is "bad." Another strawman ehrnst May 2018 #111
well first, Sanders advocacy isn't one that removes capitalism from the picture, so whatever JCanete May 2018 #112
Nobody is saying that. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie May 2018 #11
Sure they aren't Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #13
Her post speaks for itself. ehrnst May 2018 #16
Why? Please tell me what's unclear about that post. NurseJackie May 2018 #22
Continue doing what you are doing. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #39
Again, you bestow anyone who disagrees with you on DU with the power to destroy Democrats, and ehrnst May 2018 #45
Oh good God! GMAFB! NurseJackie May 2018 #74
You can't fix stupid... tonedevil May 2018 #82
Sooooo. sheshe2 May 2018 #103
I think that you give these posts way, way more power over elections ehrnst May 2018 #109
This wasn't a small event. This was a big venue and very few people showed up lunamagica May 2018 #57
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #14
A photo of Sanders at a rally "serves only one purpose?" ehrnst May 2018 #15
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #20
My, you got up on the wrong side of the bed, didn't you? ehrnst May 2018 #21
Gone! NurseJackie May 2018 #75
**** Cha May 2018 #76
Hey there, you! NurseJackie May 2018 #80
Howdy Ms Jackie! Cha May 2018 #83
OH! My! R B Garr May 2018 #93
.... ehrnst May 2018 #108
Your attempt to make this personal is amusing, just like the R B Garr May 2018 #23
... ehrnst May 2018 #25
Yes. And not just me. nt R B Garr May 2018 #26
WT holy FUCK? Unsolicited emails? Do you mean PM's? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #29
Yes. nt R B Garr May 2018 #36
A former member used to do that to me... NurseJackie May 2018 #90
I think I know who you mean, and had a similar experience. R B Garr May 2018 #92
Do you have any opinion about Ben Jealous as a candidate for that office? Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #18
I'm not a Maryland resident, and don't know enough about what is going on in MD ehrnst May 2018 #19
"Do you have any opinion about Ben Jealous as a candidate for that office?" NCTraveler May 2018 #35
I have aleays found him to be rather superficial and an aggressive self promoter, just my opinion. grantcart May 2018 #51
I guess the tell would be if he gets things accomplished or not. sunRISEnow May 2018 #54
He wasn't president of the NAACP long enough to do much, but his role in pushing Shirley Sherrod out EffieBlack May 2018 #61
Good for him (sincerely) mythology May 2018 #24
Omgoodness. Surely this is fake. sunRISEnow May 2018 #30
Welcome to DU! No, this is not fake. ehrnst May 2018 #33
I was under the impression Bernie has the ability to have a much large draw with crowds. sunRISEnow May 2018 #49
A politician's personal strength often doesn't translate to support for others RandySF May 2018 #31
I'm supporting Rich Madaleno for Governor Orangepeel May 2018 #32
It's rumored that the Fire Marshal asked the duo for a selfie on his way out. oasis May 2018 #46
. George II May 2018 #69
The bloom is off the rose... lunamagica May 2018 #55
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