More than 17,000 draftees died in Vietnam before the war ended (Reply #74)

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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:56 PM

74. More than 17,000 draftees died in Vietnam before the war ended

That's one reason many are dubious not only about the effectiveness of a draft in preventing or ending war, but they also question the consequences to the innocent victims and their families.

That doesn't even count draftees who were wounded and maimed (for which you can multiply the 17,000+ deaths roughly by 5).

That's something else we need to be thoughtful about...

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88 replies	Author	Time	Post
Do You Want to End Unnecessary American Wars? Reinstate the Draft [View all]	louis c	Jul 2012	OP
The Draft Will Never Be Reinstated.	TheMastersNemesis	Jul 2012	#1
Right	elleng	Jul 2012	#3
+1.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#21
I knew that during Bush's stolen Presidency	lunatica	Jul 2012	#24
Been my thought for a long time.	elleng	Jul 2012	#2
only way to get middle America to notice the wars anymore	lunasun	Jul 2012	#4
Evidently wrong.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#5
"War is a racket.	OnyxCollie	Jul 2012	#7
Actually Europe hasn't had a war since they opened borders	pampango	Jul 2012	#34
I'm sure if we had the two greatest wars in history on our continent	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#59
Well, there were the Indian Wars...	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#62
You're overlooking changes in media and communications since the Korean war ended....	Scuba	Jul 2012	#18
No I didn't. I said that actually the situation now is worse than in the 60s.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#22
I strongly disagree. You start drafting the sons and daughters of the wealthy and ...	Scuba	Jul 2012	#23
And when has that ever happened?	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#25
First of all, lack of a draft certainly hasn't slowed the war machine...	Scuba	Jul 2012	#26
50000 casualties in Vietnam compared to 3500 in Iraq.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#28
people who want the draft	2pooped2pop	Jul 2012	#32
It's basically a bunch of wash-outs hoping to feel relevant again	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#37
Not this boomer. Fuck the draft.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2012	#40
I'm considered a boomer	2pooped2pop	Jul 2012	#50
Don't have children of that age and/ or are not of draft age	Drale	Jul 2012	#53
and they don't take care of the ones they have either	2pooped2pop	Jul 2012	#55
Too late for mitt's sons...they are too old	riverbendviewgal	Jul 2012	#6
Too old to die for your country? I think not.	Scuba	Jul 2012	#19
The flaw in your proposal is it would never affect children of the wealthy	jeff47	Jul 2012	#8
Only if it was mandatory service,like Israel has	w8liftinglady	Jul 2012	#9
Yeah.....no	abelenkpe	Jul 2012	#10
War bonds....	nc4bo	Jul 2012	#11
Vietnam was almost unique in having a low % of draftees, WWII was about 70% draftee, Vietnam 30%	braddy	Jul 2012	#12
The WWII draft was more of a filter than a vacuum sucker.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#81
Actually the WWII draft was to get men into the combat units, 93% of the army was drafted.	braddy	Aug 2012	#82
Yes, but in WW-II men were desperate to go. They wanted designation 1A.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#83
Evidently not, they needed the draft to fill the ground forces, seafaring forces were 36% drafted	braddy	Aug 2012	#85
That's like re-instituting slavery to show how Jim Crow is wrong. Bad idea. To this I say...	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#13
A "War Tax" would be better.	toddwv	Jul 2012	#14
My draft lottery number was also 104	jimmyd13	Jul 2012	#15
No thank you.	Marinedem	Jul 2012	#16
Agreed. #1 The decision makers always seem to get _their_ kids out of harm's way. #2 A volunteer	GreenPartyVoter	Jul 2012	#36
Not this crap again.	Gemini Cat	Jul 2012	#17
I know some wealthy guys who dodged the draft during WW II when the top draft age was 45	NNN0LHI	Jul 2012	#20
No.	djean111	Jul 2012	#27
Add this ... "Children and or grandchildren (of age) of all elected officials go automatically."	JoePhilly	Jul 2012	#29
Haven't we stopped beating this dead horse yet?	Lurks Often	Jul 2012	#30
You want my advice?	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#31
nice!	Phentex	Jul 2012	#33
Nice post, except there was no draft in 1776	Art_from_Ark	Jul 2012	#54
There were drafts, but not "the draft"	Scootaloo	Jul 2012	#56
There was conscription by a few states/colonies during the Revolution	Art_from_Ark	Jul 2012	#58
+1	JVS	Jul 2012	#61
Actually, 60 on Sept. 18	louis c	Aug 2012	#70
More than 17,000 draftees died in Vietnam before the war ended	pinboy3niner	Aug 2012	#74
Yep, bad math on my part	Scootaloo	Aug 2012	#78
I'm 57, I'll be happy to go. Don't want to talk draft, how about...	Hotler	Aug 2012	#76
IMO	Mr Dixon	Jul 2012	#35
"Funny thing about fishing . . . it never works out so well for the bait."	HughBeaumont	Jul 2012	#38
If we're not worried about anyone's rights, let's reinstate slavery but just for the children of	pampango	Jul 2012	#39
I agree with you completely - reinstate the Draft, men and women	1-Old-Man	Jul 2012	#41
No. I'm of draft age, and I sure as hell don't want to be sent	Arkana	Jul 2012	#42
And a good thought it is.	99Forever	Jul 2012	#43
The Army is too small compared to the pool of draftees to make it fair	hack89	Jul 2012	#44
Meh, hit and run post.	Javaman	Jul 2012	#45
I use 1963 to 1973 for Vietnam, but most official sources call it 1965 to 1975, the draft went from	braddy	Aug 2012	#79
You're correct, I should have said "lottery" and not draft. nt	Javaman	Aug 2012	#88
You're right on both counts	pinboy3niner	Aug 2012	#84
I've seen this flawed argument way too many times...	Comrade_McKenzie	Jul 2012	#46
Bush, Cheney, Romney, Quayle etc.	_ed_	Jul 2012	#47
It didn't stop it in Korea and Vietnam, but it did show how this is a class dominated society....	dmosh42	Jul 2012	#48
The Same Congress Critters That Get Govt. Healthcare While Denying It To The Masses	Yavin4	Jul 2012	#49
Why so richie rich will have something to do in avoidance? Hmmf.	lonestarnot	Jul 2012	#51
Ain't happening. The rich/well-connected would simply become danger-dodgers	DinahMoeHum	Jul 2012	#52
I'm opposed for many reasons	FreeJoe	Jul 2012	#57
We've had a great many wars with a draft	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#60
No, it's evil. You're talking about forcing people to serve in a killing machine.	Sirveri	Jul 2012	#63
Your viewpoint is, in my opninion, very short sighted	1-Old-Man	Jul 2012	#64
So the only thing is to FORCE people to kill other people.	Sirveri	Jul 2012	#69
Thanks	louis c	Aug 2012	#72
The author's idea has never worked in the past.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#80
Yeah, that worked so well in the Vietnam War	pinboy3niner	Aug 2012	#86
Agreed. I'd support that.	closeupready	Jul 2012	#65
Yes, since that worked so well in keeping us out of Nam and then getting us out in	yellowcanine	Jul 2012	#66
I'm sorry, but no, this wouldn't work.	AverageJoe90	Jul 2012	#67
I say we draft all the wealthy and rich kids first!	fascisthunter	Jul 2012	#68
I guess World War I, the Korean War, and Vietnam were necessary?	Puregonzo1188	Aug 2012	#71
Again	louis c	Aug 2012	#73
Want more unnecessary wars and even more dead kids? Reinstate the draft.	NYC Liberal	Aug 2012	#75
If they are already drafting your money for these optional wars, and if drafting your money hasn't	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#77
To end unnecessary wars, we'd need	area51	Aug 2012	#87

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